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juliofp70
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I passed almost 3 months trying to put my 5 dragon hoards at 3% (so its 15% in total), had a lot of work and now i see that it was a wasted time! I farm the same RP than someone with half value!!!! Why hoards have cooldowns??? I was like to get 15 refinementes when i kill 100 moobs, do the maths!!! This is very annoying for everyone that work hard to have something to refine artifact gear -.- i had 15% and the better artifact level i have is 38? Fix dragon hoards please and remove cooldown!!!
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Not really. You still have a higher % chance of getting a Dragon's Hoard enchant. Unless you're in super grind mode, you'll still end up getting more drops doing normal daily quests and dungeons that a player with less percentage.
Think of it this way. During that 30 second window, you have a 50% greater chance to get a drop than someone with 10%.
i don't know what the real issue is for the OP, though. You WILL get more rp to drop if you have a better chance of it dropping. For example, if you play through a dungeon, you could potentially get a drop from each group of mobs, whereas someone with a lower drop rate will get fewer chances, regardless of the cooldown. Think of it this way.. If i have a 1% chance with the cooldown, and you have a 15% chance with the cooldown, I might make it through the whole dungeon without seeing a drop. You have a better chance of making it through and actually seeing a drop.
That being said, the cooldown is bogus because of how many rp you need to refine these horrible items.
Some people beleive, that there is difference in quality of drops, based on % chance. There is no definite proof but you better believe it, it will make you feel better
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It is only after a drop, that the timer starts.
It often takes longer to get a drop with 5% than 15%, often more than the 30 second cool down.
With a 15% drop, you average one drop every two encounters, with a 5% drop rate, it is one every 5. If you average 5 seconds per encounter, and another 5 seconds between encounters, you get an average of (Encounter time, travel time and Cooldown):
5% - One drop every 75 seconds
vs
15% - One drop every 45 seconds.
This is an example, and your particular class will make things slightly different (GF's will take longer, CW's will be shorter), but the concept still stands. The fewer number of foes you have to kill before you get a drop, increases the number of drops you can get during a specific time period. Simple Math.
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Wrong. Well, extremely probable that it's wrong...
When the Dragon's Hoard enchants were discussed a while ago, I already tried to explain ICDs to you... ...there you posted:
So I went to describe what's known about the ICDs in this game:
ICDtimers have been quite thoroughly investigated by the community on the example of the Tenebrous enchantment with its 6-second ICD. You get fairly accurate data there from the ACT logs. And it has been found, that there is a global timer tick, for all Tenebrous enchantments on the map, or maybe even all of Faerùn - i.e. every 6 it's getting switched to "ready" and can proc. So if you happen to get a proc towards the very end of that global timer's period, it can afterwards proc quite quickly again.
I do assume, and deem it highly probable, that the FB/DH drop ICD works identically, because an individual ICD timer would just cause way too much computing power and network drain without really making a difference.
So, if you kill something, and RNG says "DH procced" there's a check done "Has this char's DH already procced in this 30-sec-interval?", and if yes, the RNG roll is voided. Or, more probable, as it would be easier to code: It procs => a flag is set "Bill Bluntaxe's DH has procced", you don't get to roll on your chance to get a drop - and this flag is reset for all chars every 30 seconds. Result is the same.
But, in single cases, the interval between two drops can get as low as you can get it, when this reset happens between the two.
Or, packaged in another way: ICD means that an effect can occur only once within any of the externally given 6 or 30 second intervals. It does not mean "After it procs it can't proc again for 30 seconds".
Uh-huh... ....back to that "DH in Blacklake" thread where you wrote:
That's simple math, it's actually 14.1%
In that other thread you were more truthful:
You make a lot of assumptions, as did I in my above post....
It is easy for each character to have a individual clock set and tracked. But we don't know.
Even then, given your example, the average time between drops and countdown timer ending, with my examples would be:
5% - One drop every 60 seconds.
vs
15% - One drop every 30 seconds.
Which over time would reward the latter even more. Let's use 60 minutes as an example.
With a 5% drop rate, in the former, you would get 48/hour [(60 x 60) / 75]
With the latter this would increase to 60/hr [(60 x 60 / 60]
With 15% drop rate, in the former, you would get 80/hr [(60 x 60) / 45]
With the latter, this would increase to 120/hr [(60 x 60) / 30]
Of course, all this is slightly less with 5 x 3% (Or 5 x 1% for that matter), as you corrected me before. Not sure what made me think it increased the percentage slightly. I think I am confusing it with compound interest.
I do know, that my GF rarely kills things fast enough to make anything close to the above drop rates, though I am only at 9% as of now, having only 3 x 2% and 1 x 3%. Still haven't gotten a fifth utility.
For the record, appreciate the sarcasm, but could you try to remain civil.
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...but we do know your individual timer hypothesis is wrong, your own data refute it:
...doesn't compute with individual timers.
Whereas my _one_ assumption - that there's a global ICD tick like in the proven case of the Tenebrous enchantment - would explain this discrepancy...
...so Occam's Razor is on my side.
Accepted, sorry for the vitriol...
...for the record: I do have a scientific education, in the discipline that holds to the term "hypothesis" for something quite universally accepted. I'm a biologist. We still call it the evolution hypothesis, even though we can reproduce it in the test tube and with bacteria, we can't prove it for higher animals. Too little timebase to prove, might be different a few thousand years downstream...
For Dragon Hoard enchantments, the total percentage chances of all Dragon Hoard enchantments are summed and then this total is rolled against whenever you kill a monster.
If a drop happens, a timer is started and no drops can happen until the timer is done.
Dragon Hoard and Fey Blessing enchantments work identically to each other, with separate timers of course.
Thanks a lot !!!
That means that the description of the enchants is wrong. The drop chance as described is wrong. Nice ;-)
Oh WOW...Oh WOW...a straight answer on how something actually works. Thanks so much graalx3!!
Could this be a move to more transparency? hmm...
Wooo!!! Graxxl3 sighting , ok so now I have spotted Graxxl3 , Akromatic , panderus and Gentlemancrush , gotta catch em all!
Yes the system designers decision to give us a clear explanation of how something in neverwinter actually works is quite refreshing .
Can we not remove the timer altogether? I mean its what makes refinement a real pain
He doesn't always post but when he does, he's fairly transparent.
I stand corrected. Inside knowledge beats data interpretation. And the short timespan between double drops must've been a misperception...
Thanks for the information, though. This does help, do that more often.
To fix this and make them actually useful, maybe the higher level enchants should have a higher percentage drop rate, and a lower cooldown? Or higher percentage and possibly a higher chance at better stones? Just some thoughts.
But with a ICD, the higher drop rate literally saves you a few seconds. That adds up, but its not much for how hard it is to upgrade them.
Actually it was from testing with stop watches and what not...however we could neither prove or disprove what we thought it was doing. Basically it was a hypothesis on our part.
...also tells you that it really makes sense to wait a few secs after a mob has dropped something. Rushing the next bunch of trashmobs gives you a 0% chance for RP from the DH & FB. Wait until the 30secs are over and you're more efficient.
Really nice to know.
They should proc off any kill you participated in, so we get RPs by doing what we like to do. Nobody likes circling around in WoD or wherever just to maximize RP gain.
...to see Grabby wee'Snappy, the Halfling HR, running around amidst any area were several people people fight mobs, spamming split shot in every direction to get his drops while others do 90+% of the killing for him.
/sarcasm
They have to pull a line somewhere, I suppose. With a bit of thought there's many places where you can the useful with the RP-generating.
Example: Do a Sharandar sweep once a week, including Arcane reservoir 60RP and 3 of each of the three tokens. Add 20kAD => another Fey Blessing enchantment for upping of your socketed ones. Plus quite a bunch of RP. And currently, IwD is the place to go - we'll all be needing or wishing for Black ice after reaching 70 - at least that seems to be the one way to get your first Lvl 70 set currently (yeah, those gloves, ofc :^((( ). Plenty of RP to be found along the way. And so on and so on...
Guess the answer below from the Dev gives the final answer to our speculations. Seems my original premise was right.
For the record, I to am educated in Science, specifically practical application of Electricity specifically with regards Communication Systems. Network Engineer by profession.
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