what he can do is he uses his brain, he can change that the tenebrous will procc 1 by 1 at a difference between them
so i have 7 tenebrous on offense.
so every 10 sec i get 1 procc from one of them, so in 1 min and 10 seconds i get 7 proccs from each tenebrous, but guess what? its a good idea and it will be ignored by devs. resulting that the first tenebrous that procced will have 1 min cooldown.
so they wont burst at the same time
1sttenebrous procc and gets 1 min cooldown, after 10 seconds you get the 2nd tenebrous to procc and 1 min cooldown and so on, the idea is that they wont procc at the same time, but they will have an interval of 10 seconds between them, it wont have the same burst damage. but will gentleman crush make it that way? or it will be gamebreakin like everythin else
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This actually isn't a nerf to the overall throughput of the Tenebrous. The cooldown and value of any number from one to seven Tenebrous enchantments remains 100% unchanged.
For this to be true if you have 2 or 7 that has an idc of 20 sec all must proc in a circle of 20 sec. That meaning each enchantments has a 20 sec frame to proc no matter how few or many you have on your offencive slotts.
What my guess is that they put a idc where they dont look on echother but just look if their been a proc and after each proc non can proc before a certain time has past. If the idc is 20 sec(more 30 from my log) that means one proc all others goes on a cooldown for the same amount of time making it useless to have more then 1 at a time.
This is exactly what I want crush to confirm. I am not a programmer but I know enough to see that whaterver loop they made is sloppy enough not to take into account the use of several tenebrouns and make them look at eachother but just the last proc.
On preview, I have 5 greater tenebrous, it procs about once every 20 secs for about 1500 dmg (have some 40k hp) on my warlock. I take all but one off and again, same 20 sec proc time, same amount of dmg.
its actualy great we have enough of no skill required auto proc stuff ingame.
Well yes I agree to to auto proc stuff but when it comes to tanks (especially pals) and burst damage it was maby the one of the only ways for them to compeat with range/trs so in that case no ...
Yep, I tested 5 Tenebrouses - the same sad result of 1 proc per 20 sec. I think something like 1-2 sec break between procs was intended and tenebrous mechanics is definitely broken now coz it really makes using more than 1 Tene useless.
This actually isn't a nerf to the overall throughput of the Tenebrous. The cooldown and value of any number from one to seven Tenebrous enchantments remains 100% unchanged.
What did change however is their burst potential.
Originally they could all fire simultaneously, providing an incredible burst of damage before going on cooldown. Now multiple tenebrous will fire sequentially while still maintaining their unique cooldowns. This reduces their burst threat while making them a fairly flat DPS boost. This puts them roughly in line with Radiants in *most cases* (read: Tanks will probably still find them to be a better dps boost overall).
Well yes I agree to to auto proc stuff but when it comes to tanks (especially pals) and burst damage it was maby the one of the only ways for them to compeat with range/trs so in that case no ...
Except for the fact, if i got it right, that in module 6 a CW will have roughly the same hp as a tank...same for other non-tank classes. So tenes will be good for any class.
Except for the fact, if i got it right, that in module 6 a CW will have roughly the same hp as a tank...same for other non-tank classes. So tenes will be good for any class
Sure but if that is your only option as a class for burst damage and removed you will suffer the most ......
Oh, then very good... no spike damage due to a wrong intended enchant. Good job Cryptic :-)
So instead of spreading the proc over and period of time they fail and break the enchants totaly due to inferior coding and you congratulate them for a good job. Let me guess your not a tank and you have no tenebrous..... and are not very smart either.
when the enchant was created a 40K HP was a maximum later with every mod HP increased.. and now with mod6 HP skyrocket and all the enchants now got 2 more levels... olso the utility slot were less.. when tenebrous was created it was not intended to be so powerful and OP, so the balance (i don't call it nerf )
9% of 40.000 is something
25% of 120.000 is very different
if you want to use something that is IMBA or broken taking advantage of that... maybe you are the one not so smart..
when the enchant was created a 40K HP was a maximum later with every mod HP increased..
When Tene was created it was more like 35k it went trough all defence and had a 6 sec idc.
After it was given a higher idc and that it no longer ignored all defences it became inferior to other enchants.
So your comment about how it was when created is not very accurate to say the least.
and now with mod6 HP skyrocket and all the enchants now got 2 more levels... olso the utility slot were less.. when tenebrous was created it was not intended to be so powerful and OP, so the balance (i don't call it nerf )
That is not the case if you would spread out the damage during a 20 sec period of time nm of you have 1 or 7 WHISH WAS THE INTENSION but cryptic being crypic put a total cap of 1 proc every 20 sec instead.
Now stacking crit apren or power in offence or tene will have a very different outcome depeding on class and hp.
If you play around with alot of dott that can crit and are buffed by power like sw tene in offensive slotts will do you no good.
Same goes for most builds for cw as the total damage from tene would be far less over a 20 sec period of time.
Now cw tr hr conq gf destro/insti gwf and sw can offer some nice burst damage but paladin and sent gwf has non neither does non conq gfs.
Having high base damage or being able to build dott/aoe builds will make tene a poor shoise indeed and I go so far to say that in a non pvp scenario would suffer using them.
But for tanks without the possiblilty to use dott/aoe or high damage at wills/encounters it was a nice shoise.
I agree the idea of spreading out the damage over 20 sec was a good idea but putting a cap of 1 proc every 20 sec as not the intention and not a good idea.
So maby your just a caster and not so smart after all....
exactly.. it should be an addition, and not a must have.
Must have lol if the damage is spread during 20 seconds for whom would it be a must have...
Either your math need some serious work or your understanding on game mechanics has alot to wish for....
When Tene was created it was more like 35k it went trough all defence and had a 6 sec idc.
After it was given a higher idc and that it no longer ignored all defences it became inferior to other enchants.
So your comment about how it was when created is not very accurate to say the least.
That is not the case if you would spread out the damage during a 20 sec period of time nm of you have 1 or 7 WHISH WAS THE INTENSION but cryptic being crypic put a total cap of 1 proc every 20 sec instead.
Now stacking crit apren or power in offence or tene will have a very different outcome depeding on class and hp.
If you play around with alot of dott that can crit and are buffed by power like sw tene in offensive slotts will do you no good.
Same goes for most builds for cw as the total damage from tene would be far less over a 20 sec period of time.
Now cw tr hr conq gf destro/insti gwf and sw can offer some nice burst damage but paladin and sent gwf has non neither does non conq gfs.
Having high base damage or being able to build dott/aoe builds will make tene a poor shoise indeed and I go so far to say that in a non pvp scenario would suffer using them.
But for tanks without the possiblilty to use dott/aoe or high damage at wills/encounters it was a nice shoise.
I agree the idea of spreading out the damage over 20 sec was a good idea but putting a cap of 1 proc every 20 sec as not the intention and not a good idea.
So maby your just a caster and not so smart after all....
one thing is sure.
damage done in % of health always has been a plague in every game i played.
i m more than happy to kill that enchant.
for some reasons no one complain about tranquill enchants :rolleyes:
No problem, it's still a good offense enchantment to have for 1 slot. Besides I believe it does not work as intended atm on preview, judging by gentlemancrush's post.
Must have lol if the damage is spread during 20 seconds for whom would it be a must have...
Either your math need some serious work or your understanding on game mechanics has alot to wish for....
Whem mod6 was showed on preview tene was shooting all enchants together for a totla damage of 30.000... so then it was a mast have.. now is ok, as is an addition..
maybe you have a short memory or just not smart at all
the enchantement is strong in PVP dealing passive damage, tanks or helpless classes that are controlled over and over by other classes can deal damage by slotting these enchants
call it no skill or call it selfdefence , or smart in times of perma-daze and -stun and -root and -freeze
now proccing only one time in 20 seconds, it doesn´t make sense to take more than one, so tenebrous enchant in this state is ineffective if not fixed, right?
Well I hope they fix them before live since I bought some for my SW as it does necrotic and it's the one, ONE thing SW has going for it that the favored son classes don't. Also, the new weapon enchants debuff power now, so radiants will take a hit.
halving the proc damage to compensate the double hp would already be great.
no need to overnerf.
What they need to do is turn this into a FLAT damage and the % becomes a CHANCE to proc.
Tenebrous could be changed to 10,000 damage. With a % chance to proc, adding more % just increases the % chance it will proc the 10k damage (like Feyblessing or Dragon Hoard do).
Then you can put the ICD back to ~6-8 seconds however make it a HARD 6-8 seconds.
Now the enchants are better for PVE DPS than currently, they are not worthless at all for PVP but more balanced...
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For this to be true if you have 2 or 7 that has an idc of 20 sec all must proc in a circle of 20 sec. That meaning each enchantments has a 20 sec frame to proc no matter how few or many you have on your offencive slotts.
What my guess is that they put a idc where they dont look on echother but just look if their been a proc and after each proc non can proc before a certain time has past. If the idc is 20 sec(more 30 from my log) that means one proc all others goes on a cooldown for the same amount of time making it useless to have more then 1 at a time.
This is exactly what I want crush to confirm. I am not a programmer but I know enough to see that whaterver loop they made is sloppy enough not to take into account the use of several tenebrouns and make them look at eachother but just the last proc.
No it means having more then 1 is useless as only 1 can proc in a 20(30) sec period of time.... = killed tene again ´due to inferior coding...
Well yes I agree to to auto proc stuff but when it comes to tanks (especially pals) and burst damage it was maby the one of the only ways for them to compeat with range/trs so in that case no
So much for that message ..............
Except for the fact, if i got it right, that in module 6 a CW will have roughly the same hp as a tank...same for other non-tank classes. So tenes will be good for any class.
Sure but if that is your only option as a class for burst damage and removed you will suffer the most ......
Oh, then very good... no spike damage due to a wrong intended enchant. Good job Cryptic :-)
So instead of spreading the proc over and period of time they fail and break the enchants totaly due to inferior coding and you congratulate them for a good job. Let me guess your not a tank and you have no tenebrous..... and are not very smart either.
9% of 40.000 is something
25% of 120.000 is very different
if you want to use something that is IMBA or broken taking advantage of that... maybe you are the one not so smart..
exactly.. it should be an addition, and not a must have..
After it was given a higher idc and that it no longer ignored all defences it became inferior to other enchants.
So your comment about how it was when created is not very accurate to say the least.
That is not the case if you would spread out the damage during a 20 sec period of time nm of you have 1 or 7 WHISH WAS THE INTENSION but cryptic being crypic put a total cap of 1 proc every 20 sec instead.
Now stacking crit apren or power in offence or tene will have a very different outcome depeding on class and hp.
If you play around with alot of dott that can crit and are buffed by power like sw tene in offensive slotts will do you no good.
Same goes for most builds for cw as the total damage from tene would be far less over a 20 sec period of time.
Now cw tr hr conq gf destro/insti gwf and sw can offer some nice burst damage but paladin and sent gwf has non neither does non conq gfs.
Having high base damage or being able to build dott/aoe builds will make tene a poor shoise indeed and I go so far to say that in a non pvp scenario would suffer using them.
But for tanks without the possiblilty to use dott/aoe or high damage at wills/encounters it was a nice shoise.
I agree the idea of spreading out the damage over 20 sec was a good idea but putting a cap of 1 proc every 20 sec as not the intention and not a good idea.
So maby your just a caster and not so smart after all....
Either your math need some serious work or your understanding on game mechanics has alot to wish for....
damage done in % of health always has been a plague in every game i played.
i m more than happy to kill that enchant.
for some reasons no one complain about tranquill enchants :rolleyes:
Because it has been useless since ever.
WTB Class Reroll please
Whem mod6 was showed on preview tene was shooting all enchants together for a totla damage of 30.000... so then it was a mast have.. now is ok, as is an addition..
maybe you have a short memory or just not smart at all
call it no skill or call it selfdefence , or smart in times of perma-daze and -stun and -root and -freeze
now proccing only one time in 20 seconds, it doesn´t make sense to take more than one, so tenebrous enchant in this state is ineffective if not fixed, right?
OF course, the exploiters are a tad upset about it, if they paid AD , refined HAMSTER and had loads of these ready to roll with.
no need to overnerf.
What they need to do is turn this into a FLAT damage and the % becomes a CHANCE to proc.
Tenebrous could be changed to 10,000 damage. With a % chance to proc, adding more % just increases the % chance it will proc the 10k damage (like Feyblessing or Dragon Hoard do).
Then you can put the ICD back to ~6-8 seconds however make it a HARD 6-8 seconds.
Now the enchants are better for PVE DPS than currently, they are not worthless at all for PVP but more balanced...
Hey look I can snip just one portion of your comment and take it out of context too! Yay!
1 max proc every 20 seconds = balanced? Id hae to disagree with you /enterranthereaboutyourpostwithoutreadingtheentirething.