And quite honestly I don't care about the market for RP since I don't buy RP from the AH, I use what I find to upgrade my gear/artifacts and then use 2xRP weekends to refine it.
But I do think it is telling that the people who were crying the most about BtA enchants/RP from Feys & Dragon Hoards, using "OMG we need BOTZZZZ to get our RP there's no other way!!!!!!" as an excuse, were really complaining because they wouldn't be able to sell the RP themselves and make 100% profits during 2xRP weekends.
With the assistance of two 2xRP weekends, I got my artifact mainhand to legendary. Zero botted RP, zero RP purchased from AH. And it didn't take 1 year of farming, and it didn't take playing 24/7 to do it. It took about 3 months of semi-casual game playing.
you failed to read the start : 4.7kk x 7 .
it would take 27 days of playing for 1 artifact with x2 rp
they binded everything, they changed internal cooldowns, they want you to buy everything from zen store.
otherwise rp would normally drop everywhere like normal rank 4.
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And quite honestly I don't care about the market for RP since I don't buy RP from the AH, I use what I find to upgrade my gear/artifacts and then use 2xRP weekends to refine it.
But I do think it is telling that the people who were crying the most about BtA enchants/RP from Feys & Dragon Hoards, using "OMG we need BOTZZZZ to get our RP there's no other way!!!!!!" as an excuse, were really complaining because they wouldn't be able to sell the RP themselves and make 100% profits during 2xRP weekends.
lol 100% profits.
I bought all my Lesser reso stacks for 40k each and they sold for 750k each. The prices have actually gone down since 2x started, they're only 600k or so now, they peak the week prior to 2x weekend with people "stocking up early" lol.
I actually used almost all of my RP making legendaries on 3 chars. This being probably the last 2x weekend which will wipe out pretty much all stock of BOE, i fully expect Mod 6 to completely revamp the refinement system. If they keep it as is though, every character made after this event will just have to settle for epic as the new legendary.
btw thx OP for your shortsightedness please complain more.
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Excuse me? I have no clue what you're babbling about. I ran my share of dungeons on every character I have in order to get my gear. I'm also doing Tiamat, I have an artifact cloak, belt and main weapon. All of this without a single AD spent on the AH. So yes, I do work to get the best gear possible. The only difference with some players is that I don't have the desire to have it legendary the day it comes out. No point in playing the game if you have no goals. Sitting around playing the AH for AD is not my way of playing a game. If I wanted to do that all day long, I'd be working at a stock exchange.
Back on topic:
There's still reasons enough to complain about the refining system itself, even with the double RP weekends now and then. It's tedious, it does not represent the work you put into it, and so forth. In the case of artifacts (and -gear) it should be based on XP. But they won't do that, because it won't make them any money. That's the whole point of the system: it makes Cryptic money. That's all there's to it.
Yeah, not first day, probably not the last day, i cant see u getting 18mln rp for 4 legend eq artis ( at this point) without buying stack from ah, or maybe u r running bots? Coz, honesty, how do u think u will get those 18mln(or so, dont remember exact number) rp?
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With the assistance of two 2xRP weekends, I got my artifact mainhand to legendary. Zero botted RP, zero RP purchased from AH. And it didn't take 1 year of farming, and it didn't take playing 24/7 to do it. It took about 3 months of semi-casual game playing.
Month ago u could farm rp like crazy monkey, now u have 2min ( or ICD). Its 4.7mln rp to get, on double rp "only" 2.35mln, either 3917 blue mainhands, or 4700 peridiots (just 47 stacks of pridiots, not so bad, right?). I would went crazy farming that....
Month ago u could farm rp like crazy monkey, now u have 2min ( or ICD). Its 4.7mln rp to get, on double rp "only" 2.35mln, either 3917 blue mainhands, or 4700 peridiots (just 47 stacks of pridiots, not so bad, right?). I would went crazy farming that....
its at least 3 min and in normal gameplay without that many adds it can be even higher.
But I do think it is telling that the people who were crying the most about BtA enchants/RP from Feys & Dragon Hoards, using "OMG we need BOTZZZZ to get our RP there's no other way!!!!!!" as an excuse, were really complaining because they wouldn't be able to sell the RP themselves and make 100% profits during 2xRP weekends.
I complained about the rp supply being too low that isn't from bots. If I want to sell my supply, I could make 60-70m AD from a vastly smaller investment. I complained because the system was stupid. Defend it if you want, you're only defending a system that benefits greed. I want a fair and less frustrating system, but if you're happy for me to have tens of millions from this change, well thanks! I just wish I didn't invest in gond mounts and invested that into rp too as I would have like 300m worth of stuff minimum. (investments stored elsewhere)
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@OP, your logic is so flawed. You complain that people aren't making use of RP, and yet because prices went up, that suggests they have been making use out of it because demand for using it has gone up. Not only that, you blame the whole community for the prices. So a few sellers means that the whole community should put up with a rubbish system? Your logic is so broken that I'm just going to stop right there.
I really have no idea why people insist on defending the worst parts of the game. If you truly likes the game, people wouldn't fanboy it up and would actually ask for improvements where needed instead of putting up with it.
come on the system is so flawed. I m selling every rp i still have.
if the system does not change it will not matter if i could afford them or not, it will be time to say goodbye.
lets just think about it:
why RPs do not drop from mobs like every other refinement stuff? :rolleyes:
at this point we have more artifact gear than artifacts but still we drop only rank 4.
why the internal cooldown of hoard got nerfed? :rolleyes:
because money.
they dont want you to talk about p2w but lets say their actions dont help making it a simple task to achieve. Am i right?
however i hope they understood people is unhappy....let s see if something will happen
They binded everything, they changed internal cooldowns, they want you to buy everything from zen store.
This is the endgame they are moving towards.
A month is a reasonable timeframe to refine a "legendary" piece of equipment. Especially when it can be had on the player's timeframe and for less cost by paying the game rather than paying the ridiculous AH speculator costs. The bots and speculators are now being set up to fall with the same greenmail tactics they used to break the AD system to begin with. Once the changes come through fully those who did not unload now will be stuck with stockpiles of worthless refining stones due to pricing themselves out of the market now. Welcome to hostile business takeover.
The answer is to improve the value of the existing AD to make it go further. You set the future market up to be more reasonable by acting now. This is the exact opposite of what the AH speculators and bots are doing right now.
Picture this if you will. We all know that we are going to have to depend on the zen store at some point for refinement and that the current AH pricing is outrageous. We also know that with the current trend the developers are on that they plan on relying on this somewhat as a significant means of generating revenue.
Right now we are setting ourselves up for paying through the nose for refinement materials with the prices we are demanding. This creates a pricing reference which justifies higher zen (read as money) costs when we say that stacks of lesser resonance stones are worth 700k AD. Not many really buy them because of the cost which shows the devs that all they have to do to come up with a competitive alternative is to sell them for 699k or thereabouts. Still too much.
By selling lower we saturate the playerbase with already refined goods which means a lower competitive pricing reference and a smaller pool of buyers to draw from unless they can undercut the lower reference we just set. They would have to come in low on refining goods costs or they price themselves out of the very market they are engineering.
Isn't fun subjectiv? Some likes to play PvE, some likes to play PvP - others like to write stories or play RP and others like to play with the economy.
There's a reason for everything - and there's a reason for business simulation games. People like that. You do stuff you enjoy and others do stuff they enjoy.
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To make the legendary gear in 'one day' is boring, and the most difficult content so far do not need the legendary gears even the artifact gears. So to have more fun, take your time. Double RP event will at least save you a large amount of time of farming, so stay happy.
But I do think it is telling that the people who were crying the most about BtA enchants/RP from Feys & Dragon Hoards, using "OMG we need BOTZZZZ to get our RP there's no other way!!!!!!" as an excuse, were really complaining because they wouldn't be able to sell the RP themselves and make 100% profits during 2xRP weekends.
Thanks for being the only non-troll to understand the meaning of this thread. The point is exactly that people complained so much about the refining process/ requirements, when all they do is actually using RP to profit instead of using, for example, a double refining week end to actually refine more.
BTW, to the sad trolls that swarmed the thread: sorry to tell you i am not complaining, just discussing the matter. I am very relaxed playing this game and take my time doing things. i stored my refining stuff in the latest weeks and already achieved what i wanted, so that was not the point of the topic.
But reading you guys trying so hard to troll is always refreshing. Love seeing how forum guys always fail at simply discuss things and rush trolling like an angry mob. Goodjob.
To expand upon my post. Even though it is all that is needed.
1. Your topic title is a bit confrontational
2. Its a refinement topic post,nearly everyone extends past 10 pages with differing views on the refinement topic
3. Nearly everyone goes off topic
4. Nearly everyone is locked.
Thanks for being the only non-troll to understand the meaning of this thread.
People who bring up genuine points but happen to disagree with you becomes a troll. Now that's OP making troll statements right there if I ever saw one.
To expand upon my post. Even though it is all that is needed.
1. Your topic title is a bit confrontational
2. Its a refinement topic post,nearly everyone extends past 10 pages with differing views on the refinement topic
3. Nearly everyone goes off topic
4. Nearly everyone is locked.
You didnt do yourself a favor.
Agreed. OP did not do himself a favor with his recent responses to the points brought up. Didn't even try to argue any of them just because of the sheer number of people disagreeing with him and him not being able to respond to even half of them.
Well I gave this topic a chance and posted a response, but it seems OP has revealed himself to be a troll with his current replies. Great bait indeed.
Thanks for being the only non-troll to understand the meaning of this thread. The point is exactly that people complained so much about the refining process/ requirements, when all they do is actually using RP to profit instead of using, for example, a double refining week end to actually refine more.
BTW, to the sad trolls that swarmed the thread: sorry to tell you i am not complaining, just discussing the matter. I am very relaxed playing this game and take my time doing things. i stored my refining stuff in the latest weeks and already achieved what i wanted, so that was not the point of the topic.
But reading you guys trying so hard to troll is always refreshing. Love seeing how forum guys always fail at simply discuss things and rush trolling like an angry mob. Goodjob.
I didn't stash RP to sell, I used mine. I still feel I have plenty to complain about when it comes to refinement. Whether it's endless clicking, slow gathering of RP or how this game has funneled everything to nearly a pay to progress only option, yea, I'm not happy with it. It doesn't have much to do with economic inflation but instead, a lack of options. Where does that leave me in your opinion?
In all fairness, you always seem to put a lot of thought into your posts. This thread, overall, is disappointing. People aren't trolling, they are disagreeing with you. Grats on saving for what you wanted to achieve but that doesn't fix the problem at hand(refinement). You happen to be the troll if you think the problem is just something the player base should have to suck up. If you can't see that there is a problem with the current refining system, there's no helping you. It's too much, pure and simple.
Thanks for being the only non-troll to understand the meaning of this thread. The point is exactly that people complained so much about the refining process/ requirements, when all they do is actually using RP to profit instead of using, for example, a double refining week end to actually refine more.
BTW, to the sad trolls that swarmed the thread: sorry to tell you i am not complaining, just discussing the matter. I am very relaxed playing this game and take my time doing things. i stored my refining stuff in the latest weeks and already achieved what i wanted, so that was not the point of the topic.
But reading you guys trying so hard to troll is always refreshing. Love seeing how forum guys always fail at simply discuss things and rush trolling like an angry mob. Goodjob.
Most responses in this thread are in the same level of the OP.
I didn't stash RP to sell, I used mine. I still feel I have plenty to complain about when it comes to refinement. Whether it's endless clicking, slow gathering of RP or how this game has funneled everything to nearly a pay to progress only option, yea, I'm not happy with it. It doesn't have much to do with economic inflation but instead, a lack of options. Where does that leave me in your opinion?
In all fairness, you always seem to put a lot of thought into your posts. This thread, overall, is disappointing. People aren't trolling, they are disagreeing with you. Grats on saving for what you wanted to achieve but that doesn't fix the problem at hand(refinement). You happen to be the troll if you think the problem is just something the player base should have to suck up. If you can't see that there is a problem with the current refining system, there's no helping you. It's too much, pure and simple.
From what I understand, the point of the OP's post wasn't a discussion of the merits or lack thereof of the refinement system, but a discussion of how players are exploiting other players using the refinement system. Naturally, those who feel like they are the ones being accused of exploitation are eager to change the subject.
And while I don't think every economic transaction in the marketplace is "exploitation", I do think that many people attempt to justify actual exploitation by transferring blame to "the system" or "Cryptic" or some other faceless third party. It doesn't just happen in the context of refinement. For instance:
Rotten behavior by players in PVP is blamed on "the matchmaking system", instead of on the players themselves.
Rotten behavior by players in PVE dungeons is blamed on "bad dungeon design", instead of on the players themselves.
Rotten behavior by players via selling overpriced RP on the AH is blamed on "the refinement system", instead of on the players themselves.
At some point individuals just have to sweep away the rationalizations and take responsibility for their own actions.
The way I see it, if you would be willing to look someone in the eye, face to face, and make a business transaction with someone in person to the same extent that you would be willing to do so in the game, then do it. If you wouldn't be willing to do it in real life, however, then don't do it online either.
Personally, I view buying botted enchants as analogous in real life to buying stolen goods, moreover, goods that I knew to be stolen. I wouldn't do it in real life, so I won't do it in the game either.
And, again speaking personally, I would have a hard time justifying to myself charging someone a 10,000% markup when trying to sell an item that I was interested in selling.
With the assistance of two 2xRP weekends, I got my artifact mainhand to legendary. Zero botted RP, zero RP purchased from AH. And it didn't take 1 year of farming, and it didn't take playing 24/7 to do it. It took about 3 months of semi-casual game playing.
There should be an achievement for doing that. I mean, seriously... it's quite fascinating. You must be the first and only person ever to do that, and I admire your patience, picking 200 RP and occupying one whole slot of your inventory with each of those and having to identify every single one of them... that's nearly unbelievable.
That must have consumed a lot of your playing time.
Double RP with little to no enchants, reduced drops on refining stones, high prices in AD has little meaning.
Huh? I had quite a stash of RP that I had been saving up since the last 2xRP event, which was just at the end of last month.
Plus we just had 2xEnchants last weekend. That helped out too.
Every single RP item that I got, for a month, I mailed to a prayer alt. The only refining I did was with blue and green gear drops, since those don't stack and I don't have the storage space for all of those items. Otherwise I would have saved up all of those too.
You don't need a lot of AD to refine the important items of your artifact gear. You do need some discipline, though, and some prioritization on what to refine and what not to refine (for instance: I have not yet equipped any artifact belts because I'm not yet ready to refine them), and a little bit of planning ahead (for instance: I got a good deal on a Waters artifact a little while ago and I saved it up until this weekend, where I refined it to lvl 59 and then put it into my DC artifact).
Of course you do need a lot of AD if you want to refine every single piece of artifact gear right away.
There should be an achievement for doing that. I mean, seriously... it's quite fascinating. You must be the first and only person ever to do that, and I admire your patience, picking 200 RP and occupying one whole slot of your inventory with each of those and having to identify every single one of them... that's nearly unbelievable.
That must have consumed a lot of your playing time.
Umm....thanks? Assuming this isn't a sarcastic response, truth be told, I did not pick up all of the green/bue gear, I only picked up the green/bue mainhands and offhands and used those to refine my artifact mainhand/offhand, because those gave a 2x bonus.
The way I see it, since the scrolls generally sell for over 100 AD each, if the green/blue gear won't give me more than 100 RP, then it's not worth it. So this weekend, I have been picking up everything.
And I'm not the first, I think burkaanc also refined his artifact gear completely without buying botted RP.
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But I do think it is telling that the people who were crying the most about BtA enchants/RP from Feys & Dragon Hoards, using "OMG we need BOTZZZZ to get our RP there's no other way!!!!!!" as an excuse, were really complaining because they wouldn't be able to sell the RP themselves and make 100% profits during 2xRP weekends.
you failed to read the start : 4.7kk x 7 .
it would take 27 days of playing for 1 artifact with x2 rp
they binded everything, they changed internal cooldowns, they want you to buy everything from zen store.
otherwise rp would normally drop everywhere like normal rank 4.
lol 100% profits.
I bought all my Lesser reso stacks for 40k each and they sold for 750k each. The prices have actually gone down since 2x started, they're only 600k or so now, they peak the week prior to 2x weekend with people "stocking up early" lol.
I actually used almost all of my RP making legendaries on 3 chars. This being probably the last 2x weekend which will wipe out pretty much all stock of BOE, i fully expect Mod 6 to completely revamp the refinement system. If they keep it as is though, every character made after this event will just have to settle for epic as the new legendary.
btw thx OP for your shortsightedness please complain more.
Yeah, not first day, probably not the last day, i cant see u getting 18mln rp for 4 legend eq artis ( at this point) without buying stack from ah, or maybe u r running bots? Coz, honesty, how do u think u will get those 18mln(or so, dont remember exact number) rp?
Month ago u could farm rp like crazy monkey, now u have 2min ( or ICD). Its 4.7mln rp to get, on double rp "only" 2.35mln, either 3917 blue mainhands, or 4700 peridiots (just 47 stacks of pridiots, not so bad, right?). I would went crazy farming that....
its at least 3 min and in normal gameplay without that many adds it can be even higher.
I complained about the rp supply being too low that isn't from bots. If I want to sell my supply, I could make 60-70m AD from a vastly smaller investment. I complained because the system was stupid. Defend it if you want, you're only defending a system that benefits greed. I want a fair and less frustrating system, but if you're happy for me to have tens of millions from this change, well thanks! I just wish I didn't invest in gond mounts and invested that into rp too as I would have like 300m worth of stuff minimum. (investments stored elsewhere)
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@OP, your logic is so flawed. You complain that people aren't making use of RP, and yet because prices went up, that suggests they have been making use out of it because demand for using it has gone up. Not only that, you blame the whole community for the prices. So a few sellers means that the whole community should put up with a rubbish system? Your logic is so broken that I'm just going to stop right there.
I really have no idea why people insist on defending the worst parts of the game. If you truly likes the game, people wouldn't fanboy it up and would actually ask for improvements where needed instead of putting up with it.
if the system does not change it will not matter if i could afford them or not, it will be time to say goodbye.
lets just think about it:
why RPs do not drop from mobs like every other refinement stuff? :rolleyes:
at this point we have more artifact gear than artifacts but still we drop only rank 4.
why the internal cooldown of hoard got nerfed? :rolleyes:
because money.
they dont want you to talk about p2w but lets say their actions dont help making it a simple task to achieve. Am i right?
however i hope they understood people is unhappy....let s see if something will happen
This is the endgame they are moving towards.
A month is a reasonable timeframe to refine a "legendary" piece of equipment. Especially when it can be had on the player's timeframe and for less cost by paying the game rather than paying the ridiculous AH speculator costs. The bots and speculators are now being set up to fall with the same greenmail tactics they used to break the AD system to begin with. Once the changes come through fully those who did not unload now will be stuck with stockpiles of worthless refining stones due to pricing themselves out of the market now. Welcome to hostile business takeover.
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Its not only prices which duplicated, its also AD sources being almost nullified
Picture this if you will. We all know that we are going to have to depend on the zen store at some point for refinement and that the current AH pricing is outrageous. We also know that with the current trend the developers are on that they plan on relying on this somewhat as a significant means of generating revenue.
Right now we are setting ourselves up for paying through the nose for refinement materials with the prices we are demanding. This creates a pricing reference which justifies higher zen (read as money) costs when we say that stacks of lesser resonance stones are worth 700k AD. Not many really buy them because of the cost which shows the devs that all they have to do to come up with a competitive alternative is to sell them for 699k or thereabouts. Still too much.
By selling lower we saturate the playerbase with already refined goods which means a lower competitive pricing reference and a smaller pool of buyers to draw from unless they can undercut the lower reference we just set. They would have to come in low on refining goods costs or they price themselves out of the very market they are engineering.
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Thanks for being the only non-troll to understand the meaning of this thread. The point is exactly that people complained so much about the refining process/ requirements, when all they do is actually using RP to profit instead of using, for example, a double refining week end to actually refine more.
BTW, to the sad trolls that swarmed the thread: sorry to tell you i am not complaining, just discussing the matter. I am very relaxed playing this game and take my time doing things. i stored my refining stuff in the latest weeks and already achieved what i wanted, so that was not the point of the topic.
But reading you guys trying so hard to troll is always refreshing. Love seeing how forum guys always fail at simply discuss things and rush trolling like an angry mob. Goodjob.
To expand upon my post. Even though it is all that is needed.
1. Your topic title is a bit confrontational
2. Its a refinement topic post,nearly everyone extends past 10 pages with differing views on the refinement topic
3. Nearly everyone goes off topic
4. Nearly everyone is locked.
You didnt do yourself a favor.
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People who bring up genuine points but happen to disagree with you becomes a troll. Now that's OP making troll statements right there if I ever saw one.
Agreed. OP did not do himself a favor with his recent responses to the points brought up. Didn't even try to argue any of them just because of the sheer number of people disagreeing with him and him not being able to respond to even half of them.
Well I gave this topic a chance and posted a response, but it seems OP has revealed himself to be a troll with his current replies. Great bait indeed.
I didn't stash RP to sell, I used mine. I still feel I have plenty to complain about when it comes to refinement. Whether it's endless clicking, slow gathering of RP or how this game has funneled everything to nearly a pay to progress only option, yea, I'm not happy with it. It doesn't have much to do with economic inflation but instead, a lack of options. Where does that leave me in your opinion?
In all fairness, you always seem to put a lot of thought into your posts. This thread, overall, is disappointing. People aren't trolling, they are disagreeing with you. Grats on saving for what you wanted to achieve but that doesn't fix the problem at hand(refinement). You happen to be the troll if you think the problem is just something the player base should have to suck up. If you can't see that there is a problem with the current refining system, there's no helping you. It's too much, pure and simple.
Most responses in this thread are in the same level of the OP.
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RP does drop everywhere. It's called all of the green junk gear that drops from all of the mobs.
Most people ignore it, of course. But the RP is there.
From what I understand, the point of the OP's post wasn't a discussion of the merits or lack thereof of the refinement system, but a discussion of how players are exploiting other players using the refinement system. Naturally, those who feel like they are the ones being accused of exploitation are eager to change the subject.
And while I don't think every economic transaction in the marketplace is "exploitation", I do think that many people attempt to justify actual exploitation by transferring blame to "the system" or "Cryptic" or some other faceless third party. It doesn't just happen in the context of refinement. For instance:
Rotten behavior by players in PVP is blamed on "the matchmaking system", instead of on the players themselves.
Rotten behavior by players in PVE dungeons is blamed on "bad dungeon design", instead of on the players themselves.
Rotten behavior by players via selling overpriced RP on the AH is blamed on "the refinement system", instead of on the players themselves.
At some point individuals just have to sweep away the rationalizations and take responsibility for their own actions.
The way I see it, if you would be willing to look someone in the eye, face to face, and make a business transaction with someone in person to the same extent that you would be willing to do so in the game, then do it. If you wouldn't be willing to do it in real life, however, then don't do it online either.
Personally, I view buying botted enchants as analogous in real life to buying stolen goods, moreover, goods that I knew to be stolen. I wouldn't do it in real life, so I won't do it in the game either.
And, again speaking personally, I would have a hard time justifying to myself charging someone a 10,000% markup when trying to sell an item that I was interested in selling.
There should be an achievement for doing that. I mean, seriously... it's quite fascinating. You must be the first and only person ever to do that, and I admire your patience, picking 200 RP and occupying one whole slot of your inventory with each of those and having to identify every single one of them... that's nearly unbelievable.
That must have consumed a lot of your playing time.
Huh? I had quite a stash of RP that I had been saving up since the last 2xRP event, which was just at the end of last month.
Plus we just had 2xEnchants last weekend. That helped out too.
Every single RP item that I got, for a month, I mailed to a prayer alt. The only refining I did was with blue and green gear drops, since those don't stack and I don't have the storage space for all of those items. Otherwise I would have saved up all of those too.
You don't need a lot of AD to refine the important items of your artifact gear. You do need some discipline, though, and some prioritization on what to refine and what not to refine (for instance: I have not yet equipped any artifact belts because I'm not yet ready to refine them), and a little bit of planning ahead (for instance: I got a good deal on a Waters artifact a little while ago and I saved it up until this weekend, where I refined it to lvl 59 and then put it into my DC artifact).
Of course you do need a lot of AD if you want to refine every single piece of artifact gear right away.
Umm....thanks? Assuming this isn't a sarcastic response, truth be told, I did not pick up all of the green/bue gear, I only picked up the green/bue mainhands and offhands and used those to refine my artifact mainhand/offhand, because those gave a 2x bonus.
The way I see it, since the scrolls generally sell for over 100 AD each, if the green/blue gear won't give me more than 100 RP, then it's not worth it. So this weekend, I have been picking up everything.
And I'm not the first, I think burkaanc also refined his artifact gear completely without buying botted RP.