Dude maybe you love to play with stupid broken feats like Intimidation, the tanking tree doing more AoE dmg than the DPS one which is Destroyer, it's just plain stupid to consider that the class is ok atm. I have SW and GWF fully geared with legendary and everything bla bla bla, you will never do with a GWF what you can do with a SW.
I have never had any SW come remotely close to my CW DPS. I have had very few GWFs come close and occasionally overtake with that 'broken' feat.
I rarely come second on paingiver as a Fury SW. with legendary DC artifact and end boon from IWD, this means loads of dailies, which means loads of TT. I play mine quite tanky too.
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cw is, historically, the most solid choice in every way to pve.
create another class because seens strong now or because you think you can do something special looking "outside the box" is asking to be disappointed. personal advice.
Best PvE dps is CW or SW depending on the environment.
A full BiS geared and well-played SW is usually paingiver in places with high HP adds well suited for TT spamming (eLoL, eSoT, Dragons).
A full BiS geared and well-played CW is usually paingiver in places with high number of low HP mobs (CN, most T2 dungeons)
The full geared SW with MC set will beat same geared CW on large HP boss every time because of effortless and insanely high dps ticks of the MC set alone (75k to 400k damage-per-second on dragons, for example).
Than means you party with bad SW's or you are a guy that keeps walking in the front and spam OF etc. So your teammates get little chance to make DPS.
Both AoE and Single Target a good Fury SW will do the most dps.
With 30% effective lifesteal (consumption boon effectively doubles your lifesteal: 33% of the time 300% of your lifesteal value) I have very little reason to stay behind, a single icy terrain keeps me alive.
Maybe you are right about the SWs, but it's also likely that you have never really teamed up with the real DPS CWs.
But it's effectively impossible to judge relative DPS. Whoever attacks first is likely to do the most damage unless you run with noobs. Pretty much all mobs die instantly.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
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Fury SW does the most damage...however, in PVE I would recommend you rather grab a CW, they do less damage, but they more useful in parties as they can control adds, deal decent dps and party buffs (renegade). As cool as the fury SW is, they don't do much other then kill stuff.
I would say CW is the best all around high dps character....that being said I have seen SWs pull nearly 400k DPS at times in Tiamat....which you won't do with a CW.
Also Paingiver isn't necessarily tied to highest DPS. Paingiver is primarily about laying your encounters down on trash mobs before the rest of your team since they fall over dead if anyone sneezes in their direction. Paingiver is highly overrated.
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
Fury SW does the most damage...however, in PVE I would recommend you rather grab a CW, they do less damage, but they more useful in parties as they can control adds, deal decent dps and debuff (renegade). As cool as the fury SW is, they don't do much other then kill stuff.
Debuff is not renegade spec. Renegade spec is about buff and high brust .
HV do the debuff for any CW not renegade .
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But realy realy necessary in tia. Rigth now its more important then anything else.
No, DPS is more important than anything else in Tiamat. P.S. the rankings in Tiamat are not based on damage (or at least there is a lot of something else getting factored in).
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
No, DPS is more important than anything else in Tiamat. P.S. the rankings in Tiamat are not based on damage (or at least there is a lot of something else getting factored in).
I dont talk about ranking .
I talk about to beat the HE (dps is super needed in tia).
Even zerg can fail if they have low dps .
You know zergling with +3 claw upgrade can burn any building 3 time faster then zergling with +0 claw upgrade.
This is the swarm rule. Run fast hit hard .
I dont talk about ranking .
I talk about to beat the HE (dps is super needed in tia).
Even zerg can fail if they have low dps .
You know zergling with +3 claw upgrade can burn any building 3 time faster then zergling with +0 claw upgrade.
This is the swarm rule. Run fast hit hard .
Ah yes, very true. Back to the class question, also note that SW will get out DPSed by a CW on single targets (dragon heads)
and that why i play gf, u never wait in queue there's always a spot for u, i never get 1st dps, but i never die, i always get more dmg taken than all party i am always 1st in healing, i boost my party dps around 40%, i take half there dmg.
i am not top dps who cares hp potion pile injury kits the stay in bag for months, yes i kill slow but i dont see any class starting and finishing blue encounters alone in IWC without using a single pot.
yes it suck to end CN in last dps with a stupid 12-15mil dmg and see cw with 30mil, but ask the cw there with me how save they feel with me tanking half there dmg.
GF its a good and needed for parties with low GS and when u run with 18k + GS ppl see if any gets mad cuz u keep them alive and boost there dps 35% + 8% combt adv to keep adds marked.
No1 wanna play GF cuz all wanna do insane dps but no 1 have the guts to put the party 1st, i do and like (my party success reflects my own). final score 0 deaths in party makes me more proud than be top dps.
Haven't seen new DC's damage, but CW and Fury SW are top damage. TR has some of the highest burst, but CW and Fury SW have superior sustained damage.
Pretty sure that with P Vorpal and maxing CHA, you gamble for the highest damage out of any other class on Fury SW, though. You're just squishy as balls to compensate.
If DPS, Fury SW should be the first.
But I think that CW is the best class in PVE. CW has high DPS, debuff, control and teleport.
Moreover, steal time on tab can increase the movement speed.
5 CWs team can run every dungeons. (5 CWs team can run a PK with ~10mins)
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inthefade462Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Ah yes, very true. Back to the class question, also note that SW will get out DPSed by a CW on single targets (dragon heads)
rofl wut?
SW is one of if not the best single target dmg classes in the game (ignoring MC set), arguably HR can top it.
CW is one of the worst. Not sure why with there multitude of unlimited target aoe's CW's, who have decent AOE DPS, think that they have good single? Like in old dungeons, with your unlimited target aoes you might be able to "keep up" with a SW, doing maybe 80% of our dmg. but once the boss comes out especially single target only boss like MC, VT? You don't realize that the gap widening is because your single is so bad, and our's is so good? WHy did you think it went from 2mil dmg difference to 6mil? cus you're awesome single target dps? lol
Now with MC set? SW no contest. 1 SW = 20 CWs in terms of single target dmg.
but to answer the original question:
roll a cw. they are simple to play and do decent dmg, have awesome control, and basically always have a spot in a group, you won't get turned away. SW only deals dmg and there's more to this game than just being #1 paingiver.
and that why i play gf, u never wait in queue there's always a spot for u, i never get 1st dps, but i never die, i always get more dmg taken than all party i am always 1st in healing, i boost my party dps around 40%, i take half there dmg.
i am not top dps who cares hp potion pile injury kits the stay in bag for months, yes i kill slow but i dont see any class starting and finishing blue encounters alone in IWC without using a single pot.
yes it suck to end CN in last dps with a stupid 12-15mil dmg and see cw with 30mil, but ask the cw there with me how save they feel with me tanking half there dmg.
GF its a good and needed for parties with low GS and when u run with 18k + GS ppl see if any gets mad cuz u keep them alive and boost there dps 35% + 8% combt adv to keep adds marked.
No1 wanna play GF cuz all wanna do insane dps but no 1 have the guts to put the party 1st, i do and like (my party success reflects my own). final score 0 deaths in party makes me more proud than be top dps.
Hats off to you sir.
Oh and just to add this in there as well. There are TRs who are now out damaging CWs thanks to the AoE buffs they got.
and that why i play gf, u never wait in queue there's always a spot for u, i never get 1st dps, but i never die, i always get more dmg taken than all party i am always 1st in healing, i boost my party dps around 40%, i take half there dmg.
i am not top dps who cares hp potion pile injury kits the stay in bag for months, yes i kill slow but i dont see any class starting and finishing blue encounters alone in IWC without using a single pot.
yes it suck to end CN in last dps with a stupid 12-15mil dmg and see cw with 30mil, but ask the cw there with me how save they feel with me tanking half there dmg.
GF its a good and needed for parties with low GS and when u run with 18k + GS ppl see if any gets mad cuz u keep them alive and boost there dps 35% + 8% combt adv to keep adds marked.
No1 wanna play GF cuz all wanna do insane dps but no 1 have the guts to put the party 1st, i do and like (my party success reflects my own). final score 0 deaths in party makes me more proud than be top dps.
I can complite even Epic HE in IWD with my CW /TR / and My GWF .
In resonable time .
With GF takes ages to complite the "so called blue encounter".
No one care about you die or not or about your LS .
At this point of the game history only DPS count cuz only with moderate DPS or Good DPS can you complite tiamat .
25 GF will never ever complite this HE.
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Its realy powerfull in tia.
I have never had any SW come remotely close to my CW DPS. I have had very few GWFs come close and occasionally overtake with that 'broken' feat.
DC for the insane debuffs, CW for the control and debuffs and SW for the high DPS.
DC with Terror, CW with Plaguefire and SWs with Lightning.
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Wow isn't that beautiful? Radiant, Arcane and Necrotic damage working together for a world with no threats, that's just cute.
OFC vs 8k GS starter cw 20-22 k GF can do dps yes.
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Than means you party with bad SW's or you are a guy that keeps walking in the front and spam OF etc. So your teammates get little chance to make DPS.
Both AoE and Single Target a good Fury SW will do the most dps.
create another class because seens strong now or because you think you can do something special looking "outside the box" is asking to be disappointed. personal advice.
A full BiS geared and well-played SW is usually paingiver in places with high HP adds well suited for TT spamming (eLoL, eSoT, Dragons).
A full BiS geared and well-played CW is usually paingiver in places with high number of low HP mobs (CN, most T2 dungeons)
The full geared SW with MC set will beat same geared CW on large HP boss every time because of effortless and insanely high dps ticks of the MC set alone (75k to 400k damage-per-second on dragons, for example).
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It was some compensation for losing shard and other mod3 burst damage!
With 30% effective lifesteal (consumption boon effectively doubles your lifesteal: 33% of the time 300% of your lifesteal value) I have very little reason to stay behind, a single icy terrain keeps me alive.
Maybe you are right about the SWs, but it's also likely that you have never really teamed up with the real DPS CWs.
But it's effectively impossible to judge relative DPS. Whoever attacks first is likely to do the most damage unless you run with noobs. Pretty much all mobs die instantly.
Also Paingiver isn't necessarily tied to highest DPS. Paingiver is primarily about laying your encounters down on trash mobs before the rest of your team since they fall over dead if anyone sneezes in their direction. Paingiver is highly overrated.
Debuff is not renegade spec. Renegade spec is about buff and high brust .
HV do the debuff for any CW not renegade .
But realy realy necessary in tia. Rigth now its more important then anything else.
Combat HR that low? Ever seen a good Stormwarden Combat HR? Lol.
No, DPS is more important than anything else in Tiamat. P.S. the rankings in Tiamat are not based on damage (or at least there is a lot of something else getting factored in).
I dont talk about ranking .
I talk about to beat the HE (dps is super needed in tia).
Even zerg can fail if they have low dps .
You know zergling with +3 claw upgrade can burn any building 3 time faster then zergling with +0 claw upgrade.
This is the swarm rule. Run fast hit hard .
Ah yes, very true. Back to the class question, also note that SW will get out DPSed by a CW on single targets (dragon heads)
I am combat PvE HR and the only time I get outdmg is by a Warlock spamming broken TT. (you know, when everything on screen dies for 4 million dmg/sec)
i am not top dps who cares hp potion pile injury kits the stay in bag for months, yes i kill slow but i dont see any class starting and finishing blue encounters alone in IWC without using a single pot.
yes it suck to end CN in last dps with a stupid 12-15mil dmg and see cw with 30mil, but ask the cw there with me how save they feel with me tanking half there dmg.
GF its a good and needed for parties with low GS and when u run with 18k + GS ppl see if any gets mad cuz u keep them alive and boost there dps 35% + 8% combt adv to keep adds marked.
No1 wanna play GF cuz all wanna do insane dps but no 1 have the guts to put the party 1st, i do and like (my party success reflects my own). final score 0 deaths in party makes me more proud than be top dps.
Pretty sure that with P Vorpal and maxing CHA, you gamble for the highest damage out of any other class on Fury SW, though. You're just squishy as balls to compensate.
But I think that CW is the best class in PVE. CW has high DPS, debuff, control and teleport.
Moreover, steal time on tab can increase the movement speed.
5 CWs team can run every dungeons. (5 CWs team can run a PK with ~10mins)
rofl wut?
SW is one of if not the best single target dmg classes in the game (ignoring MC set), arguably HR can top it.
CW is one of the worst. Not sure why with there multitude of unlimited target aoe's CW's, who have decent AOE DPS, think that they have good single? Like in old dungeons, with your unlimited target aoes you might be able to "keep up" with a SW, doing maybe 80% of our dmg. but once the boss comes out especially single target only boss like MC, VT? You don't realize that the gap widening is because your single is so bad, and our's is so good? WHy did you think it went from 2mil dmg difference to 6mil? cus you're awesome single target dps? lol
Now with MC set? SW no contest. 1 SW = 20 CWs in terms of single target dmg.
but to answer the original question:
roll a cw. they are simple to play and do decent dmg, have awesome control, and basically always have a spot in a group, you won't get turned away. SW only deals dmg and there's more to this game than just being #1 paingiver.
Well look no further then the picture below, and then at my signature to learn more about it... :cool:
Hats off to you sir.
Oh and just to add this in there as well. There are TRs who are now out damaging CWs thanks to the AoE buffs they got.
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I can complite even Epic HE in IWD with my CW /TR / and My GWF .
In resonable time .
With GF takes ages to complite the "so called blue encounter".
No one care about you die or not or about your LS .
At this point of the game history only DPS count cuz only with moderate DPS or Good DPS can you complite tiamat .
25 GF will never ever complite this HE.
But stacking any other class can do it .