So in Mod 5, I can get Linu's Favor when I successfully complete Tiamat or do the reclamation event.
The following items can be purchased with them (others items may needed as well)
15 - Artifact weapon offhand
30 - 6th Boon
50 - 7th Boon (could be 50 for 6 and then 30 for 7, either way)
60 - Draconic Templar Armor Set
155 Favors!!!!!
Now I'm not saying I "need" this stuff, but they are the normal rewards for mod and the necessary grinding seems a bit excessive. I've been playing Mod 5 (and only Well of Dragons) for like 5 days and I have 7 favors. At this rate it will take about 15 weeks to get to 155. I'm going to get bored.
This is just too much for semi - casual players (I mean people who play 1 -2 hours day). I get that you reward play (that's what your BTA rp has done, only the serious grinders can have legendary artifacts), but how about making it a bit easier to get the favors.
My suggestions, you ALWAYS get a favor for beating Tiamat, and you can get another favor in the legendary chest. You'd probably sell more ZEN too since you'd need keys.
or since it takes 100 coffers to get a favor, make it so I can get 50 coffers in an hour, or make the coffers worth more.
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
edited December 2014
You can get Draconic Templar's Helm/Armor/Bracer for like 10~20K AD from AH and 10 Lius Favor for boots from WoD... nobody's gonna pay 60 Lius for the whole set... let me know if someone does, I would be interested to know...
So in Mod 5, I can get Linu's Favor when I successfully complete Tiamat or do the reclamation event.
The following items can be purchased with them (others items may needed as well)
15 - Artifact weapon offhand
30 - 6th Boon
50 - 7th Boon (could be 50 for 6 and then 30 for 7, either way)
60 - Draconic Templar Armor Set
155 Favors!!!!!
Now I'm not saying I "need" this stuff, but they are the normal rewards for mod and the necessary grinding seems a bit excessive. I've been playing Mod 5 (and only Well of Dragons) for like 5 days and I have 7 favors. At this rate it will take about 15 weeks to get to 155. I'm going to get bored.
This is just too much for semi - casual players (I mean people who play 1 -2 hours day). I get that you reward play (that's what your BTA rp has done, only the serious grinders can have legendary artifacts), but how about making it a bit easier to get the favors.
My suggestions, you ALWAYS get a favor for beating Tiamat, and you can get another favor in the legendary chest. You'd probably sell more ZEN too since you'd need keys.
or since it takes 100 coffers to get a favor, make it so I can get 50 coffers in an hour, or make the coffers worth more.
You can get Draconic Templar's Helm/Armor/Bracer for like 10~20K AD from AH and 10 Lius Favor for boots from WoD... nobody's gonna pay 60 Lius for the whole set... let me know if someone does, I would be interested to know...
Currently you can only get the draconic templar gloves, rest are bop unless you get hoard defender II. So that needs being fixed.
Don't really think we need more favors except maybe a weekly for completing "prevent tiamats return" awarding 1 favor just to make it worth getting. Empire treasure could do with being raised in points. maybe 400-500 points? 30 and 50 favors for boon 5.25 and 5.5 is way too much though. Everything else is achievable though. Maybe the draconic gear could do with costing a little less. Hard to say what the drop rates of those are with enough hoard.
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darkstarcrashMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,382Arc User
edited December 2014
Let's face it: this game is grindy, like all MMOs (although maybe more grindy than some).
The only real "must-have" I see from Linu's Favors are the artifact offhands for those alts that have an artifact mainhand. !5 Favors is 15 Tiamat victories (and you do always get a Favor when you win, if the instance isn't a bugged hold-over from the last hour).
If you play "an hour a day" that will take you about 2-3 weeks, considering that you probably have at least one or two hoard reclamation turn-ins. That's assuming mostly victories, but I think that is not unreasonable as the general populace gets the hang of the encounter.
If you win twice a day, that's only a week to get the best offhand in game. I think that's a fair amount of reward for effort made.
My only problem with the current system is that we never reclaim enough hoard to get decent drops. That system needs to be reworked or at least rebalanced.
15 for offhand, 15 for neck (if you don't buy one or get one as drop)
after you get 30 and you have not gotten full set (for whatever reason) you could buy boots/hat/chest whatever your missing but best saved for the boons first as you need 30/50 for an additional +3% (for crit severity for example) for a whopping 80 favors.
You could increase its drop rate, however i'd rather see the boons cost a bit less. 20/40 seems okay to me - i mean i'll probably not see that achieved until mod 6 but at least 60 is smaller number then 80 :-)
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blazious11Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 331Arc User
edited December 2014
The only thing you need is the offhand, true. But those boon numbers are just crazy. Think about it, that someone has more characters. I would play with 4-5, because I like them all, but the current system just antimulticharacter. Boons max 5-10 Linu, you need books for them anyway.
My story is truly a grand tale! Of course, any story about me is going to be grand simply by virtue of the main character.
So in Mod 5, I can get Linu's Favor when I successfully complete Tiamat or do the reclamation event.
The following items can be purchased with them (others items may needed as well)
15 - Artifact weapon offhand
30 - 6th Boon
50 - 7th Boon (could be 50 for 6 and then 30 for 7, either way)
60 - Draconic Templar Armor Set
155 Favors!!!!!
Now I'm not saying I "need" this stuff, but they are the normal rewards for mod and the necessary grinding seems a bit excessive. I've been playing Mod 5 (and only Well of Dragons) for like 5 days and I have 7 favors. At this rate it will take about 15 weeks to get to 155. I'm going to get bored.
This is just too much for semi - casual players (I mean people who play 1 -2 hours day). I get that you reward play (that's what your BTA rp has done, only the serious grinders can have legendary artifacts), but how about making it a bit easier to get the favors.
My suggestions, you ALWAYS get a favor for beating Tiamat, and you can get another favor in the legendary chest. You'd probably sell more ZEN too since you'd need keys.
or since it takes 100 coffers to get a favor, make it so I can get 50 coffers in an hour, or make the coffers worth more.
i support your demand... 30 linus for the 6th boon is beyond too much
after the initial farm of tiamat for 2 offhands i cant handle more than 1 for toon everyday.
it's just the same thing over and over again
Let's see - 30 Linu's for a boon.
In mod 4 you needed 1 book for last two boons = 100 scrolls/100 sigils and you could get 6 scrolls per day from three instances = 17 days.
You want to tell me that 30 successful Tiamat runs take more than 17 days?
Other than that Draconic Templar Set is not a must-have for all players which means that you shouldn't take it into consideration for all. It's like with Fabled Iliyanbruen - you can get it for seals but it's not a requirement to finish your campaign. It's just sth you want or not.
Let's see - 30 Linu's for a boon.
In mod 4 you needed 1 book for last two boons = 100 scrolls/100 sigils and you could get 6 scrolls per day from three instances = 17 days.
You want to tell me that 30 successful Tiamat runs take more than 17 days?
Other than that Draconic Templar Set is not a must-have for all players which means that you shouldn't take it into consideration for all. It's like with Fabled Iliyanbruen - you can get it for seals but it's not a requirement to finish your campaign. It's just sth you want or not.
1) one can do dailies when he wants.
2) tiamat has its own timers.
3) i can do dailies alone.
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Let's see - 30 Linu's for a boon.
In mod 4 you needed 1 book for last two boons = 100 scrolls/100 sigils and you could get 6 scrolls per day from three instances = 17 days.
You want to tell me that 30 successful Tiamat runs take more than 17 days?
Not all play the game throughout the whole day.
And with the random grouping the chance to win is rather thin. And the attempt itself is - 1/2 hour of playtime
So, yes, it will take a way more than 17 days to get it (unless you are a lucky hamster).
You want to tell me that 30 successful Tiamat runs take more than 17 days?
Could easily do so, yes, for someone who doesn't play more than a few hours per day. It breaks/bugs out quite a lot, takes a long time and is on a one hour timer. For someone who "only" plays two hours per day, thirty successful runs in seventeen days would certainly be stretching it.
Each tiamat attempt takes half hour to do. The past two days, I made six attempts on one toon, all failed. I've already resigned myself to not getting that last boon (and the last two Mod 4 boons). These boons are only for the hardcore. I'll just save up for the off-hand, which I'm not too eager to get b/c it means more grinding.
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Without reading too many of the other posts, I kinda agree with OP. I dont have any linus favour myself, but I know for a fact that they are pretty difficult to obtain. The major issue is the sheer amount of coffers and coins you have to drop into reclamation to get 1 favour, and then the only other way is through beating tiamat.
The number of coffers is absurd. I have been told many times by different people that not only are they semirare, but they also have a cap of 1 per 10 minutes. Now that amounts to 6 per hour, if you farm diligently, and you need well over 25 of them to get a single favour.
Then comes tiamat farming, which is, in and of itself, nearly impossible. You need either intelligent players who can autobalance their teams GS effectively, making sure there is a standard amount of GS on each team for each head so that every head is taken down during the same round. Either that, or you have to have people who know how to zerg properly, the only other real viable tactic. Either way, more often than not, zone chat is filled with people who failed due to something and it almost feels like 70% of tiamat runs end with failure.
Now as a player who has run tiamat quite a few times himself, and never seen a victory(though close a few times) it seems a tiamat victory farming method is out of the question. That means ALL my linu will come from coffers and coins. I'm not even planning on getting the boons because they cost to much, but I will be getting the offhand and a cloak.
Were the drop rate somehow improved, maybe through lowering the reclamation requirement down from 1500, or raising the coffer amount for reclamation, or perhaps giving me another route to get linu, maybe a chance to find them from a great success on an encounter in WoD, or a single chance to find them once a day through daily rewards(rare, but possible) I would consider getting the boons. Until then, even if they lowered the prices for boons, I'm not going to be able to get them at all. I dont plan on it yet, and until they allow me more ways to get the standard rewards from Tiamat, I wont be getting them at all.
I played 5 hours yesterday. Did 5 Tiamat. Got 0 favors.
So 30 for a boon seems a "tad" high. Make the treasures give 500 pts at least. And for the love of.... a win at Tiamat NEEDS to give reward. Can't believe they have not fixed at least that yet.
How to make money: Put a second favor into the chest = everyone buys the Zen keys because nobody wants to run Tiamat 100 times. I would use a key every single time.
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onegaki101Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 327Arc User
edited December 2014
Don't join the Tiamat instance so fast. That is what i have experience. When Tiamat first came out, I always queued right away. Each and every one of those instances where we beat it (i beat is over 20 times) did not reward a favor. Lately I have been joining in later, after at least a minute, and every single time I beat it, I have gotten a favor. Did tiamat 5 times last night and beat it 5 times.
People are finally understanding how to properly use the zerg strategy as it is the best for random players, low/high gs/skill players. Once it starts to spread out more, there will be more Tiamat success instances.
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kilden1234Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 42
edited December 2014
I do not agree with OP.
Play the game, you get items. This is not a free ride.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
ToD campaign completion packs will be sold so there is no need to grind for the boons now.
I get the impression from people who've bought them (just my interpretation of throwaway forum comments) that the campaign "completion" packs unlock the entire campaign, but don't automatically complete everything, if that makes sense. I believe they come with a currency bundle, but I've seen people say that the Sharandar boons still require spark grind after buying the booster.
Which to my thinking makes the price of them even worse value than it looks on the surface.
I don't think it's possible to complete Dread Ring without having all the boons available though, since they're directly tied to incremental progression and don't have separate costs. The remaining grind there would likely be in gauntlet improvement.
I get the impression from people who've bought them (just my interpretation of throwaway forum comments) that the campaign "completion" packs unlock the entire campaign, but don't automatically complete everything, if that makes sense. I believe they come with a currency bundle, but I've seen people say that the Sharandar boons still require spark grind after buying the booster.
Which to my thinking makes the price of them even worse value than it looks on the surface.
I don't think it's possible to complete Dread Ring without having all the boons available though, since they're directly tied to incremental progression and don't have separate costs. The remaining grind there would likely be in gauntlet improvement.
All boons from different zones require different different zeals/currencies to unlock. Dragon coffers/coins are the currencies for the ToD campaign and also the ones that can be exchanged for Linu's Favors, which are used to unlock the boons. Just like the other Campaign Completion Packs, enough Dragon coffers/coins/favors should be included in the pack to unlock the boons or else the pack will be truly useless and not many people will buy them.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
All boons from different zones require different different zeals/currencies to unlock. Dragon coffers/coins are the currencies for the ToD campaign and also the ones that can be exchanged for Linu's Favors, which are used to unlock the boons. Just like the other Campaign Completion Packs, enough Dragon coffers/coins/favors should be included in the pack to unlock the boons or else the pack will be truly useless and not many people will buy them.
Like I said, I don't know for sure since I haven't bought one and never will, but it sounded like the Sharandar pack did *not* come with enough stuff to get all the boons. So yeah, potentially kinda useless.
I can't actually see the full description on Gateway, but it looks like 120 sparks in the pack. Not even close to enough.
Play the game, you get items. This is not a free ride.
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Let's just talk about the Boons - 80 Favors for both boons. Let's say my Tiamat success rate is 75%, (currently its lower, but it will improve with time) that's 106 runs of Tiamat. Tiamat is fun and all, but 100+ runs. At least with other boons the daily's rotate. I know it's a free to play game, but your concept of 'fun' surely must include something else than doing the same 20 minute event over 100 times. Does that sound fun to you. I'll get bored very quickly. Give me some other fun (not mind numbing) way to earn more favors or lower the amount necessary.
I get the impression from people who've bought them (just my interpretation of throwaway forum comments) that the campaign "completion" packs unlock the entire campaign, but don't automatically complete everything, if that makes sense. I believe they come with a currency bundle, but I've seen people say that the Sharandar boons still require spark grind after buying the booster.
They don't. I bought DR and Sharandar completion on my Warlock, as I was impatient to play with the new shiny. The included bundle allowed me to complete everything right away without needing to do a single quest there.
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Currently you can only get the draconic templar gloves, rest are bop unless you get hoard defender II. So that needs being fixed.
Don't really think we need more favors except maybe a weekly for completing "prevent tiamats return" awarding 1 favor just to make it worth getting. Empire treasure could do with being raised in points. maybe 400-500 points? 30 and 50 favors for boon 5.25 and 5.5 is way too much though. Everything else is achievable though. Maybe the draconic gear could do with costing a little less. Hard to say what the drop rates of those are with enough hoard.
The only real "must-have" I see from Linu's Favors are the artifact offhands for those alts that have an artifact mainhand. !5 Favors is 15 Tiamat victories (and you do always get a Favor when you win, if the instance isn't a bugged hold-over from the last hour).
If you play "an hour a day" that will take you about 2-3 weeks, considering that you probably have at least one or two hoard reclamation turn-ins. That's assuming mostly victories, but I think that is not unreasonable as the general populace gets the hang of the encounter.
If you win twice a day, that's only a week to get the best offhand in game. I think that's a fair amount of reward for effort made.
after you get 30 and you have not gotten full set (for whatever reason) you could buy boots/hat/chest whatever your missing but best saved for the boons first as you need 30/50 for an additional +3% (for crit severity for example) for a whopping 80 favors.
You could increase its drop rate, however i'd rather see the boons cost a bit less. 20/40 seems okay to me - i mean i'll probably not see that achieved until mod 6 but at least 60 is smaller number then 80 :-)
i support your demand... 30 linus for the 6th boon is beyond too much
after the initial farm of tiamat for 2 offhands i cant handle more than 1 for toon everyday.
it's just the same thing over and over again
"Aye, there's the rub"
In mod 4 you needed 1 book for last two boons = 100 scrolls/100 sigils and you could get 6 scrolls per day from three instances = 17 days.
You want to tell me that 30 successful Tiamat runs take more than 17 days?
Other than that Draconic Templar Set is not a must-have for all players which means that you shouldn't take it into consideration for all. It's like with Fabled Iliyanbruen - you can get it for seals but it's not a requirement to finish your campaign. It's just sth you want or not.
1) one can do dailies when he wants.
2) tiamat has its own timers.
3) i can do dailies alone.
.
Not all play the game throughout the whole day.
And with the random grouping the chance to win is rather thin. And the attempt itself is - 1/2 hour of playtime
So, yes, it will take a way more than 17 days to get it (unless you are a lucky hamster).
Could easily do so, yes, for someone who doesn't play more than a few hours per day. It breaks/bugs out quite a lot, takes a long time and is on a one hour timer. For someone who "only" plays two hours per day, thirty successful runs in seventeen days would certainly be stretching it.
But from Akromatik's post it will get "reworked", making all the current knowledge of the populace obsolete.
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The number of coffers is absurd. I have been told many times by different people that not only are they semirare, but they also have a cap of 1 per 10 minutes. Now that amounts to 6 per hour, if you farm diligently, and you need well over 25 of them to get a single favour.
Then comes tiamat farming, which is, in and of itself, nearly impossible. You need either intelligent players who can autobalance their teams GS effectively, making sure there is a standard amount of GS on each team for each head so that every head is taken down during the same round. Either that, or you have to have people who know how to zerg properly, the only other real viable tactic. Either way, more often than not, zone chat is filled with people who failed due to something and it almost feels like 70% of tiamat runs end with failure.
Now as a player who has run tiamat quite a few times himself, and never seen a victory(though close a few times) it seems a tiamat victory farming method is out of the question. That means ALL my linu will come from coffers and coins. I'm not even planning on getting the boons because they cost to much, but I will be getting the offhand and a cloak.
Were the drop rate somehow improved, maybe through lowering the reclamation requirement down from 1500, or raising the coffer amount for reclamation, or perhaps giving me another route to get linu, maybe a chance to find them from a great success on an encounter in WoD, or a single chance to find them once a day through daily rewards(rare, but possible) I would consider getting the boons. Until then, even if they lowered the prices for boons, I'm not going to be able to get them at all. I dont plan on it yet, and until they allow me more ways to get the standard rewards from Tiamat, I wont be getting them at all.
So 30 for a boon seems a "tad" high. Make the treasures give 500 pts at least. And for the love of.... a win at Tiamat NEEDS to give reward. Can't believe they have not fixed at least that yet.
People are finally understanding how to properly use the zerg strategy as it is the best for random players, low/high gs/skill players. Once it starts to spread out more, there will be more Tiamat success instances.
Play the game, you get items. This is not a free ride.
1 more guy that CBA to play the game, and still wants everything the game has to offer.
I get the impression from people who've bought them (just my interpretation of throwaway forum comments) that the campaign "completion" packs unlock the entire campaign, but don't automatically complete everything, if that makes sense. I believe they come with a currency bundle, but I've seen people say that the Sharandar boons still require spark grind after buying the booster.
Which to my thinking makes the price of them even worse value than it looks on the surface.
I don't think it's possible to complete Dread Ring without having all the boons available though, since they're directly tied to incremental progression and don't have separate costs. The remaining grind there would likely be in gauntlet improvement.
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All boons from different zones require different different zeals/currencies to unlock. Dragon coffers/coins are the currencies for the ToD campaign and also the ones that can be exchanged for Linu's Favors, which are used to unlock the boons. Just like the other Campaign Completion Packs, enough Dragon coffers/coins/favors should be included in the pack to unlock the boons or else the pack will be truly useless and not many people will buy them.
Like I said, I don't know for sure since I haven't bought one and never will, but it sounded like the Sharandar pack did *not* come with enough stuff to get all the boons. So yeah, potentially kinda useless.
I can't actually see the full description on Gateway, but it looks like 120 sparks in the pack. Not even close to enough.
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Let's just talk about the Boons - 80 Favors for both boons. Let's say my Tiamat success rate is 75%, (currently its lower, but it will improve with time) that's 106 runs of Tiamat. Tiamat is fun and all, but 100+ runs. At least with other boons the daily's rotate. I know it's a free to play game, but your concept of 'fun' surely must include something else than doing the same 20 minute event over 100 times. Does that sound fun to you. I'll get bored very quickly. Give me some other fun (not mind numbing) way to earn more favors or lower the amount necessary.
They don't. I bought DR and Sharandar completion on my Warlock, as I was impatient to play with the new shiny. The included bundle allowed me to complete everything right away without needing to do a single quest there.