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n1nja4
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Hi everyone,
I'm fairly new to Neverwinter, playing for a bout a week now and hitting almost lvl 60.
Now I see a lot of TR's with either DEX + STR or DEX + CHA. I went for DEX + STR but my question is which is better?
Greetings,
Qzar
I'm fairly new to Neverwinter, playing for a bout a week now and hitting almost lvl 60.
Now I see a lot of TR's with either DEX + STR or DEX + CHA. I went for DEX + STR but my question is which is better?
Greetings,
Qzar
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Hello and welcome. The answer to your question will be based on what it is exactly that you mean by "best"
Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
Does not hurt to pump into CHA a little at all. Even a WK can get a crapton of deflect out of DEX/CHA now.
With 20 STR and 18 CHA : a stealthed crit lashing blade = 21680
With 16 STR and 21 CHA : 21123
With 18 STR and 19 CHA : 21404.
It's a minor difference, but it's a fact : Strength give a permanent and better damage bonus, and a synergy with "Disciple of Strength" feat.
Charisma give a lesser damage bonus and this bonus is effective only in combat advantage situation.
Combat advantage damage bonus from artifacts, pets active bonus and gear is good, but combat advantage damage bonus from charisma is poor.
But it's esay to up the deflection stat with gear, artifacts, boons, and now, Dexterity give 1% deflect too.
Charisma is not the better first ability score. Strength give permanent better damage bonus and Stamina regen, and there is a synergy with the feat "disciple of strength". Charisma is 2nd better ability score : deflection and bonus damage in combat advantage situation.
Dexterity is an imposed high stat, so, in theory, better combination is ( for magnitudes values STR > Cha=Dex=Con=Int ), with variations for high deflect builds, high HP pool builds, and High INT builds.
Just my opinion after tests.
At any rate, if its PvE, then you don't need CHA at all. Just horde everything to DEX and STR, and then get the correct items to maintain maybe 30k HP. (The 22~24k HP glass cannon players with over 17~18k GS, are just too weak and frail and unstable without tank/heal support. I view these sort as incompetent) The chances are the mobs will be attacking someone else, so just get enough HP to survive heavy hits once or twice, and then put everything else to damage increase.
As for PvP, in my case I distribute half/half with DEX/CHA and CON/CHA, since I take the deflection based defense approach. This gives me around 42~44% deflection with 40k HP with a CON belt, and 50% deflection with 37k HP with a DEX belt.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Problem with this advice is that you'll still get one shotted even with 30k HP so from a realistic standpoint it makes no difference. This taken with the rest of the opinion, basically that a TR who is reliant on a team in an environment where you must have a team to even access is completely contradictory. Incompetent for not being self reliant in a dungeon that requires a team Kweassa? Really?
I've noticed your posts have been growing more and more disgruntled lately which is odd because you used to make a lot of sense but this?
For the OP, a good team will ensure that you can perform your function well and the stat distribution begins to come down to play styles. I'm a Saboteur focused on tactics and stealth bursts and as such my play will be different from an executioner or scoundrel's which means my stats will be different as well.
Str is the basis for all DPS so maxing that stat out is first. Dex is more useful for stand and fight, low stealth burst types for the increased crit chance damage boost whereas high stealth burst types will benefit more damagewise from high Cha instead at the cost of lower output when out of stealth. Hope this helps.
Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
as scoundrel dex > cha
as executioner str > dex > cha
as rayrdan CON > STR > INT> DEX> CHA :P
I personally got a CHA belt because my DEX (26) and STR (21) seemed high enough due to the damage I have been producing. It was nice to get +3% deflect from the belt! Now my deflect is 41%.
Yes, I have a weird build, but it works for me - I may be the only Wood Elf TR in existence.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
I do feel Thiefling is excellent for that matter. But again im using dex=con(+belt) and cha>str proportion for scoundrel (MI).
I guess Svetlana stopped playing, but probably would have never changed race.
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Back then I did a lot of testing, and data crunching to figure "what was best". it was pretty obvious that STR was by far the primary rogue stat. And, cha seemed like the next best. Dex falling way behind, possibly even int.
I am still not caught up on every patch between then and now. But, I did come back just before this recent revamp. so, its possible there are math changes or skill changes in there, I'm not aware of.
But right now, the changes to stealth and giving 100% crit, massively devalues dex and crit rating both.
This is going to have to be reconciled at some point imho. whats the point of crit on gear, if you have 100% crit in stealth? the aoe resist, and deflect are nice. But I'm inclined to say "not enough", when dex is supposed to be a rogues "primary" stat. And crit rating on gear is now near worthless.
The exact value will vary depending on your feat choices. There were many changes there, that will effect your stealth uptime, and combat advantage.