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mehguy138
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Supposed to be 3? Isn't it? Or is it some crazy stamina regen that allows you to roll 4 times in a row? I can't do that on CW or DC.
Is this a bug or is it intended? I personally find it OP, because 4 full time immunity dodges with high distance allow TR to be super-safe PvP character, because unless CW, they have stealth, ITC and buffed deflect chance to survive. Combined with crazy damage and overbuffed utility (dazing strike), TR's current kit turns their opponents into helpless victims.
Before, when you saw TR out of stealth, he was ITC-immune most of the time, but you had a chance to catch him in between dodges if he messes up his rotation. Now it's impossible to time your abilities because dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge...
Don't get me wrong, I play TR myself (Saboteur), but there's no more frustrating thing then fight another TR, I can't hit a thing, neither do they.
Limit TR dodges to 3?
Is this a bug or is it intended? I personally find it OP, because 4 full time immunity dodges with high distance allow TR to be super-safe PvP character, because unless CW, they have stealth, ITC and buffed deflect chance to survive. Combined with crazy damage and overbuffed utility (dazing strike), TR's current kit turns their opponents into helpless victims.
Before, when you saw TR out of stealth, he was ITC-immune most of the time, but you had a chance to catch him in between dodges if he messes up his rotation. Now it's impossible to time your abilities because dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge...
Don't get me wrong, I play TR myself (Saboteur), but there's no more frustrating thing then fight another TR, I can't hit a thing, neither do they.
Limit TR dodges to 3?
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i could dodge 3 times already in mod 4
this happens because str give us bonus damage and stamina
Even though I'm playing as a DC now I honestly think it should be increased to 35 just like the CW dodge.
4 is just too much, we'll do fine with 3.
if you want to catch a rogue, then use a fast control power or just send a gwf after them (they are good at it >.>).
i already saw 1 post complaining about our dazes and i am sure more is to come
^This is right there. Too bad people are too selfish to admit that the class they play is overbuffed.
you are forgetting that ranged classes are not in the front-lines enough to warrant such defensive mechanics in pve or pvp.
try bringing your wizard/cleric into the node next to a gwf in unstoppable and a guardian in block mode. tell me how many people switch to attack you within 5 seconds. it's how a rogue feels when visible which is why we actually need our deflect and itc.
like really, so many people get hung up on 1 vs 1 but most of my matches are me being focused by 2-5 people for being a combat rogue.
probably a premade-only thing. it's fine to think that but it's completely wrong to base everything on it. we rogues were nerfed because everyone kept throwing out premade-level rogue damage as the normal and thus it became the norm. hence, do not do it.
that's the real problem right here. people only consider perma-rogues or premade people as the only ones worth considering. majority of pvp is pugs, not premades.
we don't have to be back-cappers to help our team win. i have forced a win against teams with a back-capping rogue simply because i can hold mid better than their team could and the only thing that could stop me was their rogue using whirlwind of blades to penetrate my defenses but that leaves their node open for a freebie so it pushes them into a corner. that's what happens when you become too dependent on having a rogue back-cap for you. and now that none of our dailies can penetrate defenses, i have almost complete immunity to my own class.
ps: i could survive being focused by 2-5 people for 10-20 seconds even b4 module 5. annoying to do but possible and grants my team time to do something.
^this is the main reason many rogues don't like wizards. it's fine to keep your attitude as we all know rogues are not favored by devs.
depends. skilled players exist in pugs as well as people with overpowered builds like hunters who can solo an entire team. the ungeared and unskilled also exist in large quantities, but matchmaking is not perfect.
2. We're neglecting to mention everything that nem3ziss is missing by focusing so hard on dodging and stealth accumulation.
- 24 STR (so human, half-orc or DB), assuming it isn't from a belt, requires a total devotion to STR. 18 Start, 6 points directly into it. STR is a secondary for rogues, meaning that 18 STR results in all-round lower stats.
- 10% more stamina from feats requires a 5 point investment, which could be put into combat advantage AP gain, HP increases, Crit chance (less necessary now though).
- Bonus stealth from dodges requires another 5 point feat investment, giving up on an EP damage bonus.
- Increased Stealth time requires another 5 point feat investment, giving up on a pure all around damage bonus, and bonus damage on at-wills vs unaware opponents. Even for a human, 15 points is a significant investment.
- Boons are the same boons available to everyone, so it should be obvious what he's missing out on (one of those is the final Sharandar Boon, so I think we can agree how annoying/$ it is to obtain).
- **Hidden Cost** nem3ziss is forced to use Gloaming Cut, easily the worst of the 4 at-wills available to TR's.
nem3ziss can dodge so much because he/she can do so little else (no offense).Everything else is from items, which is neither here nor there.
HTH.
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You seem to be forgetting this game isn't only about PVP, and in PVE there IS such a thing as being on the front line of in the back row, and it's VERY different. So Rogues DO need their dodges in there, and CWs are mjsh safer attacking from behind.
i do have a wizard and that's kinda not telling the full truth. you can simply stand there with aggro and life-steal tank a lot of it as long as you keep stuff controlled. wizards also don't really have to stand still and only have to stop moving while throwing an encounter spell.
and the highly-geared wizards just melt everything without effort.
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TR is a agile class, it makes no sense that GWFs can hit faster than we do, can run faster than we do that HRs get much more dodges that we do, it's exactly why TR needed a rework.
i'm 85% sure we might get nerfed back into the ground at some point. not 100% since we finally received a buff......
true. part of the reason why we are also dependent on recovery for shorter itc cooldowns. deflect only does so much.
Wrong.
FLS still bugged, TRs get free fast.
TR movement speed can't be kept up unless you're perma runner now, which would make you hit think air cause again they're too fast for TD.
Good TRs can evade GWFs too and go on-off point.
Before module 5 you could balance it cause they could not kill you.
Now they can go on-off point, stay in stealth safely, use the increased dodges and increased dodge lenght+ high movement speed to create distance in no time, daze the opponent a lot and go immune.
When he's not immune he's in stealth. When he's not in stealth and immune you're dazed. Can dodge absurd lenghts and have base movement faster than any other class.
Way too many tools to avoid damage and in fact TRs are actually the most survivable class, more than before. Plus now they can hit hard.
TRs got their chance to help balance but when i go on preview all i see is TRs laughing their asses off for a new OP build. Same now in domination.
They are OP right now just as much as CWs were OP at the beginning of module 4.
Devs love to bless one class with godly powers at the beginning of every module.
don't you gwf's have a vacuum sword skill? the range on that thing seems to reach from 1 side of the node to another. and you gwf's should be in unstoppable almost all the time. fought several that kept entering it after every attack i threw at them.