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Bullcharge needs to stun or have a severe cooldown augmentation
gcut123
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Bullcharge is unfair right now when you compare it to takedown
1) Gap-Closes
2) Low cooldown
3) Very high damage
4) Prones
Take Down
1) You need to get close to land it, no lunge compared to bullcharge
2) Low cooldown as well
3) Pathetic damage
4) 0.5 sec stuns
Same thing can be said of Boar Charge as well.
Put TakeDown back to prone or remove all prones in the game except dailies.
1) Gap-Closes
2) Low cooldown
3) Very high damage
4) Prones
Take Down
1) You need to get close to land it, no lunge compared to bullcharge
2) Low cooldown as well
3) Pathetic damage
4) 0.5 sec stuns
Same thing can be said of Boar Charge as well.
Put TakeDown back to prone or remove all prones in the game except dailies.
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Proning dailies are fair since they take time to be filled and can only be casted once in a while (I'm aware of DC artifact but still.)
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Beta/Mod1 -> GF being superior at everything
Mod 2-3 -> GWF being superior at everything
Mod 4 -> GF back to being superior
Mod 5 -> GWF will probably be back at the top.
I wouldn't mind Boar/Bull charge being stuns, as well as HarrowStorm.
Sure, while CWs can perma freeze you from afair and HRs can burn you in 5 seconds...
CW and perma freeze good joke ;]
agree with people, remove all prones from pvp, daily is different and should have possibility to prones.
Id like to see a GF use KC with high success rate on anything but clueless, low gs pugs
Anyone with half a brain can avoid the stun from buggy GW, those who can dodge can avoid it all pretty much. The slow melee GF attacks only work vs inexperienced players or players who are under cc from another source ( in which case it turns into 1 vs 2 and no arguments can be made for a class being OP or weak ). When a GF activates KC there is a clear indication he has done so, at this point both he and his target have the same advantage ( with the GF being able to have more advantage thru the feat ). So, if his target dodges or moves away like HRs/GWFs/TRs/SWs can easily do, what does the GF do then ? He gave up his gap closers for GW and AoD remember. So now, he is a sittin' turtle with KC on, being kited from a safe distance.. Need I continue ? If I meet a KC using GF on my GWF or on my own GF he's toast.
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and same for Takedown.. was difficult a longer cd and let the prone?
anyway, I think Gwfs dont need it atm with Intimidation :rolleyes:
Boar Charge? It's ok, Hr need a bit of cc but:
- the target should be closer
- remove any type of DOT but increase auto dmg
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My GF is new only 15k GS and I have been getting lots of kills, sometimes doubles if they use soulforge. even people with 3-5 GS higher with that combo, yes it is pugs though. I guess you do have a point that if they wise up to it to switch it out after. I'll try switching it for bullcharge if needed or when done farming double kills lol.
You do realize that intimidation is sentinel exclusive? And that the ones using takedown are destroyer gwfs? And yes, bull charge should stun. Everyone should fight on equal terms.
reality check:
First 10 pages on leaderboard.Gfs?17
First 10 pages of leadereboard?CWs?59
Enough said.
Looks to me the OP is a GWF.
Somebody obsesses over CWs.
it wod just creat more problems for everyone just imagine
Bullcharge - griffon - griffon - griffon - anvil of doom u r dead, at least the current version gives u some breathing space to escape ur version wod just result in a perma stun build for the gf which already does good burst damage
I'm actually a GF/TR.
Have all classes but play the above as mains.
lol.
It's probably:
1) A PVE player with no Tenacity
2) a CW
3) All of the above.
Dont underestimate KC. KC is one of the best encounter agaisn't any HR. I can take a 19K's hr in no time with it (When my crescendo is ready). You do KC, then right after you use crescendo (he won't be able to do ****), then right after that, flourish, then you finish it with anvil even if most of the time it's not needed.
As for bullcharge, it's fine as it is.
Also, I'd love to 1v1 you with KC, I would love to see how *toast* I would be
Ah see here's your problem. You are comparing a GF and GWF ability. They are very different classes. Remember not so long ago when they decided to cross over powers between the two classess and it took two mods to make it anything other than horribly broken? I mean why not compare unstoppableto.... every other tab power in the game?
the prone from bull charge is no way like take down with enof tenacity the duration wod be shorten and with the movement of the gf he wod be luck if he can land an attack like anvil of doom, and now if it gets turned into a stun the gf has no distance to cover making him use additional stuns like grffon with 3 charges with a follow up from anvil of doom to end it all
Sure there are balance issues to be addressed, but they wont happen overnight and the answer to balance sure as hell isnt what a lot of whiners are asking for which is effectively that ALL classes have all the same pro,cons,counters so all 1v1's are fair. If that were true thy might as well just make one class that everyone plays.
There are classes that excel are against and struggle against each other thats why its prudent to learn/know your opponent.
Just as an example I have lost count of the number of CW i have seen waste an ice knife after seeing me pop fox's cunning, simply because they either dont care or are ignorant to my class ability, conversely I have been tricked into popping Fox's C by fake casts of Iceknife by smarter cw's.
Imo, the variation in 1v1 fights at higher gs levels is not big at all and often comes down to skill or even luck in rotations or who gets first hit in. Ofc there are still classes that own me and classes that i own.
Oh, and why does everyone wanna try and balance pvp around 1v1? the pvp in the game is mostly group/party pvp anyway and thats where the real teamwork/skill can be seen.
It might be a bad comparison in your oppions but its not a false comparison as its just a comparison.
To say its false you need to establish a truth first and to my knowledge in this case there is non.
The game isent designed for pvp its designed for pve with some pvp in it that happend to become rather popular.
When it come to pvp there is no design and premade teams try to make the best team set up there is.
From time to time it has changed from trs to gwfs to cws and hrs and some extreamly well geared good dcs.
The comparison can actually become very valid in module 5 if some changes stands for the dc class if not just for the fun of it as am pretty sure that alot of people would fint it if not hilarious so at least amusing to see 5 dc kick some cw butt in a domination..
Why instead of asking for stupid nerfs not just ask for takedown buff ? I have wanted gwf to have takedown back the way it was for a while now.
And anyway all classes have advantages, rogues in mod 5 can perma daze, hr can kill anyone in seconds, and atm gwf can kill most classes in seconds using intimidation.
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