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RP needs a fast fix
tobixnew
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if you check the prices in the AH you can see 1 stack peridots costs about 12-14k (only reason for this is the dragon hoard ench). Because there are too many bots which are working 24/7. I think this really needs a fix. In a week it would be at 8-9k maybe ...I think let bots working and then buy from them isn't the game what cryptic liked to have now.
Disabling dragon hoard enchs in foundry would be a nice beginning, because the most farmers have their own map.
Disabling dragon hoard enchs in foundry would be a nice beginning, because the most farmers have their own map.
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Check out 'Arcane Reservoir' dung, about 40 Eliza [...] bots at once, and that's only name I've spotted.
maybe the most ppl just find it good if they can buy a peridot stack 15k each but it is bad for the game
pls stop making changes that will only punish the legitimate players
bots won't even feel the slightest change, they'll just farm other instances instead. idk maybe sharandar? war maker's camp? arcane reservoir
If something needs to be changed its the refining process system itself, seriously the design is so dumb it attracted more bots than new players. real talk.
And how is it bad for the game? Neverwinter does not have a working economy anyways.
Especially the rp from the wondrous bazaar and zen store are too expensive.
I'm verry well aware lack of rewarding drops that can be pawned
on the auction house is a big part of the problem, as is the lack
of real ad sinks that can compete with the zen store, but the fact
how harmfull it is bots control such a big part of the economy is
a problem that connot be underestimated and should not be ignored,
either.
The extremely low rp price deprives new players from yet another
source of real ad income that is not based on 'printing money',
so everyone will be/is doing just that, printing money.
A verry big part of the ad will go directly to the botters,
which is probably only a handfull of people, who sit on
a practicly endless ammount of ad. They can and will control
the market, they want ad to be expensive, so people buy their stuff.
In the end newer players wont have any ad at all,
the zax will go deep into backlog again,
everything except rp will be unafordably expensive.
Cheap RP is not worth this.
It happened before. So far it hasn't happened again. Yet.
But at some point all those billions of ad are going to hit the economy.
I sickens me to say it but if they can't get the bots under control
drops from dragon hoard/fey blessing/profession nodes will eventually
get bound. They did it with coalescent wards, dont think they
wont do it with refining stones.
Unless the community comes up with a real alternative.
Disabling drops in foundry I'm not really a fan.
I rather have the bots in foundry then in public zones.
I would prefer they select a few people from the community,
people who have been constructive before and have something too loose
should they misbehave, and give them banpowers. Make sure a log from
the last 15min of playtime is saved so false bans can be appealed
and reverted.
But that too has its weaknesses.
I for one encourage constructive thinking like the OP did.
That will be the death of this game especially with 4 artifact items next module which may increase further in future. At Cryptic's prices it costs over $2160 to refine 4 artifact equipment to legendary and I'm pretty sure that without a strong supply, people would just give up.
Well, Cryptic does not seem to get it, that it has nothing to do with long-term-motivation if things just takes a very long time. This time needs to be filled with motivating and fun stuff to do.
But to be honest, Cryptic is not the only developer, who does not get this. Even a lot of players think, it is "long-term-motivation" if it just takes long, no matter how boring the task is.
Long-term objectives work just fine as "side projects", as long as there's plenty of other fun stuff to do in a game. People who farmed rep for the Winterspring kitty in vanilla WoW, for example, could do so as part of a schedule of raiding, dungeons and fun PvP, which they could pick and choose from.
However, if such long-term grinds are the only objective and progression available (e.g. if there's a paucity of content to learn and enjoy), then they can seem punitive. Time will tell if PvP will be fixed to be viable (after its mod 3 peak of popularity) or if the PvE content will be adequate or neglected/half-assed.
We'll see.
Currently group content is only relevant until you have NOT gotten your artifact to level. After you have gotten your artifact, group content becomes irrelevant. The truth of neverwinter is that the more uber you get the less relevant group content becomes which is odd sort of MMO to design. You start Neverwinter, you hit 60, and group content is king, and then it gets steadily dismantled as you progress until you get to the modern content where group content only matters until you get your items for the RP grind, and then the group just gets in the way.
Yes.... this makes sense. Wonder if we can raise taxes too while we are at it. Oh, and 4000 zen for a shadow wolf mount is a steal! It should be 7500 zen... :P
Why would that be bad?
Do you HAVE to have legendary everything?
Do you have perfect rank 10's then?
In a RPG you are not supposed to get perfection.
I know I dont, doesn't stop me from enjoying the game.
I'm no big fan of the refinement system either, but for different reasons.
Its the grind and the lack of required skill to progress that bothers me most.
I dont mind if you can create decent gear without skill, but the best gear?
No that should take atleast some skill. I kinda like the setup of the tier1/2.
Acceptable chance for a bound one, small chance to get an unbound one
and make some bucks of it.
Dumping peridots in a weapon I got by whacking teethless lizards
is a shamefull way to get the best weapon in the game.
It's legendary now (did it on cheap rp), but it feels nowhere as valuable as
the fallen dragon stuff did.
There is much truth in this.
Its the cause of much frustration of the current playerbase.
But I'm still not convinced bots are the way to fix this.
Back to 50.000? I remember they where 150k a stack. Nobody complained.
Could be double for all I care, supply and demand you know.
Make it tenfold and you'll be the only kid on the block with an epic,
and the game wont be a bit worse for it.
I have a perfect vorpal and some greater enchantments, I have 3 legendary artifacts, 1 epic weapon and belt artifact since it's cost effective but may upgrade the weapon, I have all rank 9s apart from 1 rank 10 and greater dragon hoarding enchants. So reasonably close to being maxed out for pve. It's something I've worked a long time for and was a lot down to opportunity. Without the opportunity lesser gear would've sufficed just fine without me having to waste my time. The fact that you can buy rp is practically the only goal a lot of players still have. If they get bound then just screw it, there's too many items that will need that rp and no content that comes close to requiring it. A lot of us have already done it, no need to do it any further considering it's not rewarding anymore. Having legendaries doesn't take skill anyway. Just a lot of farming or in a lot of cases, I'd assume paying. Plus if you were expected to farm all of the rp yourself. The only real way to expect to be able to do that is via botting. Even farming like a mad man you'd get your gear outclassed by new stuff anyway by new artifacts of the same type before you reach legendary.
No you don't have to have "legendary" everything. I agree... and no, this isn't a true RPG. This is an MMO. The original NWN is an RPG... :P
Agreed. It's the system we have though and we need to work with it unfortunately. Why did you buy your weapon "on cheap" when its obviously against your principles?!
So you after you admitted you bought RP "on cheap" to refine to legendary, you are ok to go back up to those inflated prices? Well that's real big of you. Thanks for thinking of the rest of us.
You are taking what I said out of context. Please re-read the post and realize I was being sarcastic. Just like the taxes comment. I don't ACTUALLY believe you want taxes raised :P. I couldn't care less what cosmetic items cost.
You mean you didn't also buy the books "on cheap" in the AH just like your legendary weapon?! :P
Because I'm not an idiot. I'll go with the flow, even if the direction of the flow isn't
the direction I want it to go. If not you get left behind. And if the flow is going down
the drain I'm not going to be silent about it. I dont see how that's relevant to discussion.
Another personal attack on me. Why? I'm nowhere near done refining. I think few are.
Some made more use of it then me, some less. I payed 500k for each of my 3 dragon gems.
Now they are 50k. So what? I really dont care.
I wouldn't mind if rp was cheap. But not if it comes from bots.
I did. I dont understand what you are trying to say.
And yes I'm old enouph to pay taxes and probably pay more then you.
What does that have to do with anything?
Only got my 4th boon. 5th one not worth it on my current build.
But again what has this to do with my statement against bots?
Bots farm books now?
Actually what you said does not conflict at all with what I wrote.
Except there would always be rp available for sale.
Stuff that drops without the dragon hoards,
stuff from the bazaar ...
For the record I would prefer less stuff bound, not more.
Its just what I fear will happen if no other options are found.
I never quoted anything about your post that referred to bots. You quoted another (kattefjaes) and talked about bots. I never once used that statement in my posts, so I'm confused as to where you are coming from with respect to my post.
And for the other posts, when you admit something you've done (bought RP cheap to make something legendary) completely contradicts when you are championing (higher RP costs) while implying others who want the same thing are self-entitled, its called hypocrisy. I'm not trying to personally attack you, however your principles and admission of not following those principles, but expecting others to do so is a little suspect.
Also in future, do you really need to use to swear in a post like this (you used asterisks). Putting it in asterisks still doesn't absolve you of it.
You confuse me. What post did you reply to?
I dont expect you to not buy from the ah now. Where did I wrote that?
My statement was not concemning at all at noone but the bots.
That beeing said where is the clothing manufactured you wear?
And your pc/mobile? Are you in favor of exploiting employees?
Ding ding, we have a winner! Until they decide to let players gain RP for normal play (play that bots can't take part in) then nerfing RP drop rates is intolerable. Like this guy said, the only thing making artifact equipment palatable is the fact you can get RP at reasonable prices on the AH from time-to-time.
But noo, let's just leave EVERYBODY with a bad taste in their mouth, that'll keep people playing... (not)
Bots don't farm foundries, they would have to kill things then. They farm normal maps.
Proof is in sharandar near Enclave. Thieves back and forth in and out, grabbing the easy skill nodes and then to the vendor (which i guess resets the nodes in enclave) and back in to the enclave.
Your suggestion would do 0 to stop actual bots, but would KILL real players ability to farm foundries for RP.
I do foundries for RP and after an 8 hour day of runs i will have maybe enough for a level on my arty weapon.
I did a whole week of grinding foundry with DH enchants and got 4 levels. You saying that is too much? or that simply because bots exist we should not be able to do that anymore.
You want to get rid of bots, but getting rid of the only real legitimate way to grind enough RP to upgrade arty weapon/belts would only make them more money.
It's called "changing content".
As in NWO every corner, every crevice, every dungeon is exactly the same as it was last run it is quite easy to counter little encounters for farming.
Now, if the content would change a bit (like it does with LoL, but just more so) bots would have a much harder time in farming.
Where is the next node?
Where are the enemies? and how many? which ones?
As long as there is not the slightest variation in the game (except from LoL, and even there it is "only" 3 ways, predictable, so not a real variation) it is a dream for all kind of automated harvesting.
But I think we see earlier an invasion from the planet Sausage on Earth than NWO implementing a change that would in many ways profit the game play.
Yes, but you can be assured that the network guys and (hopefully) the developers DO understand bots and know as well as I do that you can't "stop" bots. What are you going to start filtering IP and port ranges? These types of measures simply aren't an option for an international MMO game, nor are they good options for ones that aren't. It doesn't take a genius to copy lists of proxy servers off the internet, filtering traffic is a hopeless endeavor.
Even if they did issue range bans, even if they knew where and who the botnets hoarding AD/zen were, there still wouldn't be any better method of dealing with them other than manually going into the database and deleting/banning the accounts. (no SQL queries for the faint of heart, there's no going back
*Facepalm*