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malakut#1916 malakut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
edited October 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
I know that "Report Spam" sends a red flag against the reported person, but does anyone know what the exact procedure is to reporting a botter? I know I've seen a thread on here about it before but it escapes my mind. If a community Mod or anyone of you could please re-direct me to the appropriate thread or procedure, that would be great!
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  • djoffer1djoffer1 Member Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Does it matter anyway?? There have been 20-25 bots running to and from the portal in sharandar for weeks now, and for some reason the devs. obv. doesn't care... Anyway with the way they have "improved" the refining system, and with all the new artifacts they are gonna implement, we need the botters to keep the prices of refining stuff down I guess...
  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    leave the bots alone, they keep refinement prices at least somewhat sane

    there are bigger evils in the game, like RNG and useless grind
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  • malakut#1916 malakut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't care about those bots. I care about the bots that manage to get into my guild and I know are somewhat active. Those are the ones that I would like to get rid of. The ones NOT putting up their items in the AH and keeping them for themselves.
  • nameexpirednameexpired Member Posts: 1,282 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    djoffer1 wrote: »
    Does it matter anyway?? There have been 20-25 bots running to and from
    You are aware that you are talking about "per instance" making it 100 to 1000 bots.
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  • letojarred1letojarred1 Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    if we eliminate those bots those precious peridot 99 stack will rise and make our lives even more miserable, remember the rise of enchantments and refinements a few months ago? L.vorp goes for 800k at highest! :mad:
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  • malakut#1916 malakut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm requesting. As I said before, I would like to know the proper procedure of reporting a SPECIFIC bot to make sure he/she gets reprimanded. Leave the farming bots be, I just want to get rid of the one in my guild for good. That is all, so if you don't have anything constructive to add, please keep your thoughts to yourself.
  • daggon87daggon87 Member Posts: 288 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I'm kind of frightened to see game abuse like those bots is so well accepted. They destroy the economy, but some players seem OK with it because of some small immediate gain ... That's sad.
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  • thenakedbananathenakedbanana Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2014
    daggon87 wrote: »
    I'm kind of frightened to see game abuse like those bots is so well accepted. They destroy the economy, but some players seem OK with it because of some small immediate gain ... That's sad.

    After the negative values on the AH fiasco, these bots are actually helping to stabilize the economy.
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  • daggon87daggon87 Member Posts: 288 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    ^
    No, they encourage deflation on some goods (refining goods, potions) used to make complementary revenues, make it more difficult for players abiding to the rules to gain AD.

    Edit to complete :
    On the other hand, they encourage inflation on other goods by injecting AD in the system by selling it with real money.

    So they destroy any attempt of a working player driven economy.
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  • thenakedbananathenakedbanana Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2014
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    No, they redistribute the wealth that was unlawfully gained via various exploitation's to the community while lowering the insane costs of refining items.
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  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm requesting. As I said before, I would like to know the proper procedure of reporting a SPECIFIC bot to make sure he/she gets reprimanded. Leave the farming bots be, I just want to get rid of the one in my guild for good. That is all, so if you don't have anything constructive to add, please keep your thoughts to yourself.

    if your guild leaders are ok with a bot being in guild id suggest to change the guild

    and now you need 20mil+ RP for all artifacts, in mod5 it will be 30mil, there is no way legit players can provide enough RP, so, sadly, bots are whats saving this game
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  • daggon87daggon87 Member Posts: 288 Arc User
    edited October 2014
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    No, they redistribute the wealth that was unlawfully gained via various exploitation's to the community while lowering the insane costs of refining items.

    Yes, sure ... What I said : it's sad.
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  • thenakedbananathenakedbanana Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2014
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    No, it's beneficial to the community.
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  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I have given up reporting bots , nothing SEEMS to get done and all you ever get in reply from support is automated replies , for example in Protectors enclave you always find a Halfling TR auto attacking around the coordinates 1088 1059 ( near the postbox near Knox) from the guilds <FC2013> or <FC2014> or WDHI ( obviously bot or gold seller guilds) and yet they all remain there all day every day autoattacking and never even get disconnected,it's pointless reporting.
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  • johnperqjohnperq Member Posts: 77
    edited October 2014
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    No, they redistribute the wealth that was unlawfully gained via various
    exploitation's to the community while lowering the insane costs of refining items.

    To the community? The only ones getting any ad from this are the botters.

    You may like the deflation caused on refinement points, but they
    are one of the few items new players can make any real ad on.

    If I'm not wrong most people with a decent ad budget hit the refinement
    wall by now and are directing most of their income to those bots now.
    I dont think 50% of the total ad made in this game would be
    an overestimation, if not a huge underestimation.

    The economy hasn't reacted yet appearantly (through inflation
    of human/zen-dependant goods and the zax going insane again),
    which makes me think most of that ad is currently not spent.
    Some of those folks must be sitting on hundreds of millions of ad now.
    Imagine what will happen when/if that gets released on the ah/zax someday.

    If a future economy crash isn't enouph, you can also bet this will result in
    more bound stuff. I dont like bound stuff, its bad for the economy.

    If this was the wondrous bazaar doing a big sale it would benifit the community.
    Botting however only benifites criminals, and will make the community pay for it.
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  • johnperqjohnperq Member Posts: 77
    edited October 2014
    On a different note, how do you know this guy is a bot?
    That can be **** hard. You know most people fail
    the turing test?

    We had a recruit recently whit a strange name.
    I wont spell the name for privacy reasons,
    but it was verry pattern like,
    like some of those bots you see in sharandarr.

    Just send me a tell out of the blue 'can I join your guild?'.
    I wasn't recruiting at that time, so I was a little suprised,
    so I responded 'sure buddy' and send him an invite.

    The second he accepts he gets offline, no 'hi', no nothing.
    A few days go by without him ever talking to us, When a
    fellow officer asks me if I know that guy, we start
    to get suspicous. He tracked him down and saw that he was
    just standing in tower district killing mobs with at-wills.

    We start asking questions to see if he responds in a decent way.
    If asked what he was doing he responded with sentences that
    did not really made sence.

    Soon after we had to let him go. We do expect members to be social.
    And while we do have a verry hard suspicion this was some kind
    of bot, we really can't be sure.

    So how do you know he is?
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  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm requesting. As I said before, I would like to know the proper procedure of reporting a SPECIFIC bot to make sure he/she gets reprimanded. Leave the farming bots be, I just want to get rid of the one in my guild for good. That is all, so if you don't have anything constructive to add, please keep your thoughts to yourself.
    I really would like to know:
    What actions makes you think/suspect he is a bot?
    How did a bot get into your guild?
    Are your guild leaders OK with a bot in the guild?
    Why do you want to get rid of the (suspected) bot, meaning, in what way is this bot affecting your game play?

    I would really like to know, so, after this thread gets closed pls send me a PM!
  • lucifron44lucifron44 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I know that "Report Spam" sends a red flag against the reported person, but does anyone know what the exact procedure is to reporting a botter? I know I've seen a thread on here about it before but it escapes my mind. If a community Mod or anyone of you could please re-direct me to the appropriate thread or procedure, that would be great!

    I think I saw a post by a mod saying you have to use the Help feature and contact a GM. Because this way you can name names, and also the copy-paste is easier.

    This said, I saw no action sa far taken by a GM against the Blacklake district bots or the Sharandar Reservoir ones, they're all still here.
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  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lucifron44 wrote: »
    This said, I saw no action sa far taken by a GM against the Blacklake district bots or the Sharandar Reservoir ones, they're all still here.
    Did you write down the name@handle to know they are the same? I never do, thinking that it is useless anyway as a new toon is gonna be created asap and step in their boots. And as there is no feedback like
    "this week we banned 1000 accounts for boting, 10 for illegal AD generation and 3 for misusing a bug"
    I won't react on any spammers/exploiters because, as far as I know, I could just as well write the name on a postcard an flush it down the toilet. No feedback.

    As cryptic must be aware of the bots in various regions I guess they either don't care or have given up battling farmer bots.
  • malakut#1916 malakut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    qq88pp wrote: »
    I really would like to know:
    What actions makes you think/suspect he is a bot?
    How did a bot get into your guild?
    Are your guild leaders OK with a bot in the guild?
    Why do you want to get rid of the (suspected) bot, meaning, in what way is this bot affecting your game play?

    I would really like to know, so, after this thread gets closed pls send me a PM!


    I would love to explain to you how to catch a bot in action but alas, you haven't been on the game in over 5 days and you've only played for a total of 9 mins. If you'd like to reach me in game, please feel free to send me a PM.
  • malakut#1916 malakut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    johnperq wrote: »
    On a different note, how do you know this guy is a bot?
    That can be **** hard. You know most people fail
    the turing test?

    We had a recruit recently whit a strange name.
    I wont spell the name for privacy reasons,
    but it was verry pattern like,
    like some of those bots you see in sharandarr.

    Just send me a tell out of the blue 'can I join your guild?'.
    I wasn't recruiting at that time, so I was a little suprised,
    so I responded 'sure buddy' and send him an invite.

    The second he accepts he gets offline, no 'hi', no nothing.
    A few days go by without him ever talking to us, When a
    fellow officer asks me if I know that guy, we start
    to get suspicous. He tracked him down and saw that he was
    just standing in tower district killing mobs with at-wills.

    We start asking questions to see if he responds in a decent way.
    If asked what he was doing he responded with sentences that
    did not really made sence.

    Soon after we had to let him go. We do expect members to be social.
    And while we do have a verry hard suspicion this was some kind
    of bot, we really can't be sure.

    So how do you know he is?

    Through careful analysis of his behaviour, map locations, responses to confrontation and such. I can explain further through the game though.
  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I would love to explain to you how to catch a bot in action but alas, you haven't been on the game in over 5 days and you've only played for a total of 9 mins. If you'd like to reach me in game, please feel free to send me a PM.

    I guess you are reffering to my totally hidden "Join Date Jun 2013"?
    If your idea of how to identify a bot is as good founded as your idea about my experience I guess you might have some reality perception troubles.

    As for the playing time, I am playing with the old original client which does not track my playing time, as does this new ARC stuff.

    Please do explain how you detect a bot in your guild, I still want to know. Also the other questions wait for an answer.
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I would love to explain to you how to catch a bot in action but alas, you haven't been on the game in over 5 days and you've only played for a total of 9 mins. If you'd like to reach me in game, please feel free to send me a PM.

    That is only if he is logging in using ARC , he may not even be using his in game account on the forum , I have played Neverwinter since the first hours of open beta but only show up as two and a half hours playing time and that isn't even neverwinter playing time , that was the two and a half hours I played on Swordsman , so that ARC page is meaningless until they make logging in using arc compulsory .
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  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    iambecks1 wrote: »
    That is only if he is logging in using ARC , he may not even be using his in game account on the forum , I have played Neverwinter since the first hours of open beta but only show up as two and a half hours playing time and that isn't even neverwinter playing time , that was the two and a half hours I played on Swordsman , so that ARC page is meaningless until they make logging in using arc compulsory .
    I guess he got beaten by someone in PvP and just wants his account banned. No other idea why he refuses to answer my questions.
  • malakut#1916 malakut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    qq88pp wrote: »
    I guess he got beaten by someone in PvP and just wants his account banned. No other idea why he refuses to answer my questions.

    I guess you don't make many friends with your hostility but see below for your answers:

    What actions makes you think/suspect he is a bot? : Intel from other Guild Leaders in the community as well as monitoring his Map Location being the same for 11 straight hours (in a foundry).

    How did a bot get into your guild? : He's been in the guild less than 24 hours as I am currently investigating him during our 7 day probationary period.

    Are your guild leaders OK with a bot in the guild? : I am one of the Guild Leaders hence why I am taking these matters into my own hands and need to be prepared if he doesn't heed my warning.

    Why do you want to get rid of the (suspected) bot, meaning, in what way is this bot affecting your game play? : In the way that his behaviour is violating one of our Guild Rules. We DO believe in redemption and wish for all of our guildies to please listen to us. We rarely turn anyone away as we are one big happy family.

    Now as far as the PvP and the length of time it took me to respond to your reply here's the information:

    1.) I was pre-occupied with more important and pressing matters and don't live in the forums unlike some folks. .

    2.) The location of the botting is not PvP related so I don't see why that would mean anything to you or why you would bring up PvP.

    3.) I apologize for the misunderstanding about your play-time. I didn't think you'd get so offended over a simple mistake xD
  • djarkaandjarkaan Member Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Bots don't bother me, the gold spammer they work for do(invites, pms, channel spam). Only thing bothersome about bots is filling instances. I like to go to Sharandar instances when there no more then 5 ppl to not encounter objectives thief. Drop down the meat and someone elses tames the hound and you have to abandon the quest and get it again... so having bots filling half the instances it's hard to tell which instances are only a few active players. I guess my issue is more about poorly design quest mechanics that make ppl want to solo and not encounter other player in an MMO then anything else.
  • qq88ppqq88pp Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I guess you don't make many friends with your hostility but see below for your answers:
    [...]
    I didn't think you'd get so offended over a simple mistake xD
    I actually do have many friends, but I might get a bit agitated if I ask innocent questions and get a scolding for being an inexperienced player by someone whose account is from April this year. And on top of that explains that the thing he/she created a thread about evades further inquiries about his issues. I have encountered quite a bit of bots, though none in my guild. They were not chatty at all.

    I was less offended by the age mistake than by your way of saying "you are too young to understand and my words are too valuable to talk to you on the forum"
    I have often perceived players as bots, in PvP and farming in various instances, but never in a talking way. That is why I wanted to know how you seem to be able to detect one in your guild.
  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Bots in this game are part of the economy, don't waste time reporting them.
  • blacksladdiblacksladdi Member Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    loboguild wrote: »
    Bots in this game are part of the economy, don't waste time reporting them.

    I report every bot I see :-)
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