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Terror vs Plague Fire
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Is there a reason people are using Terror over Plague Fire enchant?
Because to me Plague Fire seems like an improved version of Terror.
Lesser is -5% defense (terror) vs -5%x3=-15% defense (plague fire), forgot the extra weapon damage but plague fire has more than terror with the damage over time.
Normal is -10% defense (terror) vs -10%x3=-30% defense (plague fire), with plague fire having more weapon damage as well with the damage over time added.
Am I missing something? What's wrong?
Because to me Plague Fire seems like an improved version of Terror.
Lesser is -5% defense (terror) vs -5%x3=-15% defense (plague fire), forgot the extra weapon damage but plague fire has more than terror with the damage over time.
Normal is -10% defense (terror) vs -10%x3=-30% defense (plague fire), with plague fire having more weapon damage as well with the damage over time added.
Am I missing something? What's wrong?
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There may be other intricacies as well but I imagine for pvp Terror is far better than Plague.
For pve I'm not aware of any instance in which any version of Terror is better than GPF.
Also, Terror has a perfect version, Plague does not.
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Also all those 'defense' tooltips tend to be <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. They are usually mitigation debuffs for far less than the defense % stated. Do tests on a dummy to see what the actual debuffs of both are.
Some sources here claim that GPF is 3% per stack and P. Terror is only 4%. So there's that.
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2. Debuff stacking - Plague Fire requires rapid stacking to maximise its effect. Terror does not.
3. Cost - Terror much cheaper than Plague Fire.
4. Availability - Terror shards are much more available than Lesser Plague Fire, making for easier upgrades, especially with Refinement system from Shadowmantle.
5. Threat - there could also be a threat issue. PF/DoTs in general seem to add threat, hence one of the reasons why tank classes like them. So, HR's, for example, may prefer Terror to minimize their threat.
lesser plague is right though 15% full stacks which is hard for some to keep them up.
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where plaguefire just lowers the defense stat by a base percentage per stack . (where some classes dont even get to 30% defense unless specifically statted for that)
The problem is uptime. If gpf was up 100% it's better but you'd have to hit every target once a second. Terror you have to hit once every four seconds, so that's the big difference for PvE.
In pvp gpf adds dots to classes that don't normally dot, like dc or gf.
Overall I have both and they are both excellent. I think in a party the best option is one of each.
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In PvP, against the tough targets that move a lot, stacking 3 PF dots is quite difficult for some classes (TRs can easily stack multiple strikes, just like HR's Fox Shift...but GWF can't do it easily). Also the necrotic damage increase based on weapon damage is amazing.
Can you elaborate on this please? Considering that my average weapon damage is around 720 and greater terror giving 9.5% that makes additional 68 damage. It appears to be insignificant considering I usually crit from 3k upwards - is there something I'm missing?
He probably refers to the fact that necrotic damage ignores all resistances. Which is nice though I am not sure how significant.
So the question is, do Terror/Plague provide any useful damege increase besides the debuff?
NO. It does NOT. I do not understand why these rumors continue to persist when it is so easy to test yourself.
This is what you actually see in your combat log from the two main sources of player Necrotic damage,
i.e. the damage landed is mitigated by the mob.
IF Necrotic damage ignored damage resistance or mitigation, this is what you would see,
[Combat (Self)] Your Terror Weapon deals 34 Necrotic to Ashen Miner.
[Combat (Self)] Your Plague Fire Weapon deals 19 Necrotic to Ashen Miner.
You will never see that in-game from any one damage type like Necrotic/Radiant/Physical etc. because they are just labels that have no specific effect. If damage ignores mitigation it is due to that specific source of damage, e.g. Tenebrous enchants before they were fixed.
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CW with vorpal often are trying to win paingiver rather than win the fight. Vorpal is excellent, but it is overrated once you consider the increased weapon damage plus the increased damage the mobs are taking from everyone.
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Agree on the vorpal part. It is overrated. Most people just see the big numbers and presume that they are doing more 50 percent damage.
The fact is it is More like 15% increase in dps on average.
I bring a vorpal on my CW because the people I run with have terror and pf already. Little point in doubling up.
My GWF runs a bronzewood for now, she needs the extra threat since she's not geared enough to keep aggro in PvE purely through damage.
GF runs a terror, which as soon as my GF is wanted in PvE again will be changed for PF and my TR being mostly single target runs a vorpal since she isn't going to be debuffing entire trucktones on mobs. DC uses a vorpal as well. Might eventually change that for a Holy Avenger, have to do some testing.
If I ever get to the point where I have AD dripping out my eyballs I'll probably have three BiS weapons with perfect versions of Vorpal and Terror and a GPF so I can interchange them as the situation requires. Sadly, I'm not even close to that rich.
I usually suggest that if the goal is to help buff party-wide damage in PvE, then PF is superior to Terror for CW since stacking PF on multiple targets is simple and provides a superior damage increase, while if the goal is to deal maximum burst damage for PvP and to carry the bulk of the party's damage output, then Vorpal fills both of those roles well.
I would expect that PF or Terror on a CW would become more effective the smaller the variation among party members' damage dealt. If everyone is within a few mil of each other, that suggests to me that a debuffing enchantment could be most beneficial for overall damage; if the CW is dealing more damage than the rest of the party put together, then it becomes harder to make a case for something other than Vorpal.
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