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CWs finally get some fixes

jennyavarieljennyavariel Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 167
edited September 2014 in The Library
Patch notes today include some much needed fixes for CWs:

Freeze and Chill: After a target has been Frozen they are immune to new Chill stacks for 3 seconds. This lock out affects all Wizards.

Shatter Strike: After a target has been stunned by Shatter Strike they are immune to new chill stacks for 4 seconds (3 seconds on players). This lockout affects all Wizards.

Master of Flame: Twisting Immolation: This feat will no longer ignore control immunity.

Rejoice
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  • UnknownUnknown
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  • valencayvalencay Member Posts: 431 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    just to clarify, it is not a fix, chill was WAI and not broken
    Aset Xharran, Oppressor CW
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    magenubbie wrote: »
    I'm so happy for you I could cry.

    Yeah, I will remember that the NEXT TIME I am in a dungeon and one of my party is being killed because I can no longer freeze and stun the mobs that gave my party a chance to recover. To bad so sad for the others actually. Most people like the change for PvP reasons... but I no longer play PvP.. I am dungeons only so..this change WILL affect everyone, and not for the good I promise you.
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    highlyunstable wrote: »
    Yeah, I will remember that the NEXT TIME I am in a dungeon and one of my party is being killed because I can no longer freeze and stun the mobs that gave my party a chance to recover. To bad so sad for the others actually. Most people like the change for PvP reasons... but I no longer play PvP.. I am dungeons only so..this change WILL affect everyone, and not for the good I promise you.

    Use Steal Time after mobs unfreeze.
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, I will remember that the NEXT TIME I am in a dungeon and one of my party is being killed because I can no longer freeze and stun the mobs that gave my party a chance to recover. To bad so sad for the others actually. Most people like the change for PvP reasons... but I no longer play PvP.. I am dungeons only so..this change WILL affect everyone, and not for the good I promise you.

    Bring a real aggro-grabbing tank and attack/aggro support class (a certain stealthy feller comes into mind) and stop doing the broken easy mode "GWF + more and more CWs" steamroller shi*.

    Problem solved.
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    magiquepurse wrote: »
    Use Steal Time after mobs unfreeze.
    I do not have steal time so... just have to hope that my party is strong enough NOT have to rely on me holding off the mobs as much anymore.
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    Bring a real aggro-grabbing tank

    Yeah. GFs are awesome and very useful too. They can even go DPS and perform quite good if needed.
    highlyunstable wrote: »
    I do not have steal time

    You didn't take Steal Time? Try using Shard.

    However, you should get Steal Time, lol. It's exceptionally good vs many adds situation. All respectable CWs have it.
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    Bring a real aggro-grabbing tank and attack/aggro support class (a certain stealthy feller comes into mind) and stop doing the broken easy mode "GWF + more and more CWs" steamroller shi*.

    Problem solved.
    I run solo so...when I Queue for a Dungeon, I have NO control over who I get in a party.
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    highlyunstable wrote: »
    I do not have steal time so... just have to hope that my party is strong enough NOT have to rely on me holding off the mobs as much anymore.

    You can simply hope for a better balanced party that can help with aggro spikes to weaker classes. Much easier solution that actually helps the PvE scope, especially for classes neglected due to the "mass AoE CC/DPS shi*storm".
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    highlyunstable wrote: »
    I run solo so...when I Queue for a Dungeon, I have NO control over who I get in a party.

    Well then, one can only hope more classes that were neglected due to the CW shi*storm now feel a bit more compelled to try their luck and queue up, no? ;)
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    Perma freezing CWs def need a big nerf. It's not the best PVP class, but the build requires very little skill and is easily abused by lesser players.

    Any plans on HR?
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    magiquepurse wrote: »
    Yeah. GFs are awesome and very useful too. They can even go DPS and perform quite good if needed.



    You didn't take Steal Time? Try using Shard.



    However, you should get Steal Time, lol. It's exceptionally good vs many adds situation. All respectable CWs have it.
    I use Shard regularly.. but as a 16.7K GS CW... I have cleared CN with only a GWF and a GF.. so I am fairly sure my applied powers are sufficient to tackle ALMOST anything.. almost. But I will put any points I get in the future into Steal Time.
  • valencayvalencay Member Posts: 431 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    Well then, one can only hope more classes that were neglected due to the CW shi*storm now feel a bit more compelled to try their luck and queue up, no? ;)

    i've been running vt as the only cw for the last 40 runs (more or less) and i can guarantee that if people don't have at least 3 cw in the party start to freak out and leave the party. this nerf is going to hurt more at the other classes cw-dependant than at the cw themself. and no i'm not going to bring a tr or a gf because i lack control, i wil bring one more sw to melt thing faster while i am controlling
    Aset Xharran, Oppressor CW
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    Well then, one can only hope more classes that were neglected due to the CW shi*storm now feel a bit more compelled to try their luck and queue up, no? ;)
    Time will tell.... just remember, we CW's will be limited a bit on controlling the mobs like we use to so...be prepared.
  • highlyunstablehighlyunstable Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    hfgtfsdfs wrote: »
    what are cws suppose to do against gwfs now? They have immunity and unstoppable = we cant control them at all.
    run like hell... Lol
  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    hfgtfsdfs wrote: »
    What are CWs suppose to do against GWFs now? they have immunity and unstoppable = we cant control them at all.

    How did chill help? I'd be worried more about GFs since chill was actually very effective against them.
    My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    hfgtfsdfs wrote: »
    What are CWs suppose to do against GWFs now? they have immunity and unstoppable = we cant control them at all.

    Are CWs gonna go back to being punching bags in PVP again?
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  • urkmockingjayurkmockingjay Member Posts: 47
    edited September 2014
    I went controller to be useful to others, They forced using chill on us, it was always available, they just killed alternatives.

    I suspect a ton more thaum as they now can produce as much control as controller and tons more damage potential.

    GG , just GG

    I commented on this other day and got nothing but grief, so I'm sorry if people don't want to hear it.

    I'll go back to hush up mode and just be a free kill for everyone in pvp
  • cryptfoundationcryptfoundation Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    hfgtfsdfs wrote: »
    What are CWs suppose to do against GWFs now? they have immunity and unstoppable = we cant control them at all.

    Use your other 4 rooting/CCing encounters? It doesn't make you immune to all CCs just chill stacks if I'm not mistaken which changes basically nothing in PvP..
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    My CW is far from fixed.

    Our other rooting/CCing PvP encounters are Chill Strike and EF, which hardly slows most players down. Icy Rays is the only semi decent PvP encounter we have. Not that it matters to me, Assailant and Storm Spell forced me out of PvP.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    Bring a real aggro-grabbing tank and attack/aggro support class (a certain stealthy feller comes into mind) and stop doing the broken easy mode "GWF + more and more CWs" steamroller shi*.

    Problem solved.
    Still yet to see a GF that doesn't get turned to paste instantly without a cleric nanny. Also not sure what the TR is suppossed to do. Yeah they can stealth and live for quite a while but every other class but DC does more dps both aoe and single target.
  • hexanna22hexanna22 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 204 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    highlyunstable wrote: »
    I use Shard regularly.. but as a 16.7K GS CW... I have cleared CN with only a GWF and a GF.. so I am fairly sure my applied powers are sufficient to tackle ALMOST anything.. almost. But I will put any points I get in the future into Steal Time.

    Steal Time is a trigger to every other effect--at least on a Stormspell Mage--it procs EOTS, Storm Spell, any renegade stuffs--all of that, at a very high rate. I think you would like it.
  • hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    hfgtfsdfs wrote: »
    What are CWs suppose to do against GWFs now?

    There are lots of things to do. I - for example - leave the keyboard and take a sip of coffee while my CW is violated.
    (´･ ω ･`)
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    cryptfoundation wrote: »
    Use your other 4 rooting/CCing encounters? It doesn't make you immune to all CCs just chill stacks if I'm not mistaken which changes basically nothing in PvP..

    GWF's unstoppable does make them immune to CW's CC plus gives them damage resistance and damage bonus
  • cryptfoundationcryptfoundation Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rashylewizz wrote: »
    GWF's unstoppable does make them immune to CW's CC plus gives them damage resistance and damage bonus

    I'm talking about 3 second immunity. GWFs aren't even a challenge on my CW and my CW is a nub. Icy rays on tab with chill strike entangling and ray of enfeeblement. Time it correctly and the only ones taking you down are GFs
  • crazymikeecrazymikee Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    oh no.... 3 whole seconds, thats not really a big deal lol
    Coach Mike - 19.1k PvP CW
    CRAZY MIKE - 14.6k PvE CW
    Backbone - 16.7k PvP HR
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  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    cryptfoundation wrote: »
    I'm talking about 3 second immunity. GWFs aren't even a challenge on my CW and my CW is a nub. Icy rays on tab with chill strike entangling and ray of enfeeblement. Time it correctly and the only ones taking you down are GFs

    What kind of known, skilled and geared GWFs did you win against with your tactics?
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    valencay wrote: »
    just to clarify, it is not a fix, chill was WAI and not broken
    Agreed. That's not a fix and freeze/chill were WAI.

    It got adjusted because some people were crying that CW's ability is legitimately more advantageous.
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