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So I am totally annoyed and frustrated at the moment and here is why , yesterday I unlocked the new skirmish and ran it with PuG groups several dozen times both last night and this morning with very little difficulty then I logged on tonight and the people who seem seem to have unlocked it today seem to be complete idiots .
So the easiest way to kill the boss is for a tank character to get agro and stay infront of the boss , move to the side to avoid his telegraph attack then go back into position and keep tanking/agro with everybody else behind the boss in melee range to stop him using his firebomb/fireball attack or whatever it is , this way is super easy and boss burns down fast and simple .
Tonight the groups I joined seemed to have no idea what to do so I explained what to do ,it isn't exactly rocket science let tank keep agro , tank moves slightly left or right to avoid telegraph attack then back infront of boss , everybody else behind boss in melee range so he won't throw firebombs , simple right?
Ohhhh noooo , I explain what to do and almost everybody does the exact opposite ,they stay at extreme range , try their hardest to take agro off the tank , run about like headless chickens .
What is so different between the PuG groups who were running the skirmish last night and the ones who have unlocked it tonight ? or have I just had a bad run of very bad luck with the people I got teamed up with?
So the easiest way to kill the boss is for a tank character to get agro and stay infront of the boss , move to the side to avoid his telegraph attack then go back into position and keep tanking/agro with everybody else behind the boss in melee range to stop him using his firebomb/fireball attack or whatever it is , this way is super easy and boss burns down fast and simple .
Tonight the groups I joined seemed to have no idea what to do so I explained what to do ,it isn't exactly rocket science let tank keep agro , tank moves slightly left or right to avoid telegraph attack then back infront of boss , everybody else behind boss in melee range so he won't throw firebombs , simple right?
Ohhhh noooo , I explain what to do and almost everybody does the exact opposite ,they stay at extreme range , try their hardest to take agro off the tank , run about like headless chickens .
What is so different between the PuG groups who were running the skirmish last night and the ones who have unlocked it tonight ? or have I just had a bad run of very bad luck with the people I got teamed up with?
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Try doing that with 54 man raids.
Oh how I miss the old Everquest pre knowledge!
Lucky enough I have never been a raid leader although I did run them fairly often in WoW, I think I would end up either throwing my computer out the window or even jumping out the window myself if I had to try to organize anything like that , at least based on tonights abortion , ugh so frustrating xD
Past couple of days in pvp dom, my pugluck has been atrocious. It's getting to the point where I dread just doing my dailies. I don't ask for much - don't camp, don't node farm - too much to ask..?
but expecting people to be pro in 1,2 tries is rarely going to happen i guess ;p
weird line i know, but you get the point. if not then it`s your own problem, not the community ;p
Yeah back to joining parties in town or legit , it just seems weird that the runs last night were all so easy and clean and the ones tonight were a real mess.
So if the boss has a mechanic that will kill most ranged classes in a couple of seconds and a clear and easy way to defeat the boss has been found and explained and you do the complete opposite you don't think that there is anything wrong with that? like wasting everybody else's time etc? experiment by all means but not during a boss fight that has pretty much one clear and easy way to beat it.
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Fox Stevenson - Sandblast
Oh Wonder - Without You
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
- Dylan Thomas
Well, tanking works the same in NW. It's just that in all (but one, I guess) of the dungeons, they're unneeded and you just nuke everything.
I should be able to unlock the skirmish tonight, maybe tomorrow. Are other skirmishes like this or is it just a learning phase? I'm wondering if I should just skip it.
Not this game.
Fox Stevenson - Sandblast
Oh Wonder - Without You
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
- Dylan Thomas
I run the daily skirmishes every day in pug and you can explain to them the basics and ask them not to use certain spells, etc. but ppl just do not respond. They just keep doing what they want frustrating and lenghtening unnecessary the skirmishes.
When I started this game I tried voice chat but it seems that nobody uses it so I dont even bother with that. I have come to the conclusion that people in this game are just not reading at all. I suppose they are only using guild chat and ignore the rest.
And at least until m4 and to some extent in m4 if you tried to tank like in any other mmo the tank will get turned into paste. Tanking in this game usually means kiting.
The boss powers up for each drake that dies (you can even see this visually because he grows in size). When both are dead, the flame attack from his hand one-shots most squishies. If you leave them alive (have a GF taunt them far away, or a CW entangle at least one away from the boss) and focus on burning the boss, you can finish this skirmish without doing any advanced dodging or footwork or tanking, because his attacks barely do any damage until the drakes die.
Explain to the pugs to not kill drakes and focus on boss. This is simple enough that most will do it correctly after a try or two. I ran this with 7 or 8 different pug parties the last two days, and only once did we fail even after explaining the simpler strategy. A high DPS party can do this without any strategy at all, but you can't expect that from random people from the queue.
Back when the very first MMOs started, stuff like grinding, penalties of death, murderous PKs on the prowl, hard and sometimes plain impossible boss mobs, difficult dungeons which require precision teamwork, etc etc.. all of these were expected. Getting a drop on the specific item you want would sometimes take weeks, months, even more than a year.
Granted, many of those early MMOs had problems with QOL issues since, well, it was literally the early days. There weren't any references about how to make the game, so there were all sorts of stuff which some of them plain sucked, but others made the game CHALLENGING. Yes, that's the word -- challenging.
Nowadays, these new generations of kids would throw down their mouse or joypad or whatever if they actually *GASP!!* die, doing a normal plain mission/quest because the enemies, mobs, npcs are *SHUDDER!!* actually tougher than just point and click.. and if you have to use both brains and determination, simple grit, to bring down.
NW is pretty much the same in that its casual -- sometimes way too casual -- and most quests missions whatever are simply "Go somewhere and kill something or touch something". Needless to say not many people ever experience an actual "mission failure" because either the mobs were actually tough and challenging, or the in-game puzzles were difficult enough to make you try over again.
These days, its simply point, click, flashy effects, mob dead.
Compare it to WoW and some of their tougher mode dungeons, where the going gets so tough, that dedicated player groups actually gain fame in real life to have become the first group to succeed it in the world. Where people actually set up places to trade ideas on how to clear something, because its actually difficult enough to make people think.
Games these days are just too easy. And players are simply only as good as the level of game they play.
Old-timers like me, we've spent our teens and younger days during the dawn of video gaming, so we remember how the games have both evolved and devolved over the years. In that sense I can really say MMOs have evolved in terms of flashy graphics and general systemization, but in terms of game content, its actually devolved over the years.
Back then, games were challenging, and the experience of finally being able to clear something which you could not was the exhiliarting moment, the reason why we used to play those games.
Nowadays, games don't offer challenges anymore. They offer bribes, quick-and-easy path to becoming powerful in the game -- like, pay enough cash and you're stronger than someone regardless of skill.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Yeah, I miss that kind of MMORPG, for example, in RO you have the cards that are dropped at 0.01%, almost each mob has his card that will have differente effects (in my case, for 2-3 weeks several hours a day, i was trying to get a card that could help me to kill certain type of mobs a little faster, and the only goal to do all that was to level faster, cause to be max lvl could make you to spend like 8x times you spend lvling to 60 here, or more i think), getting the bosses's cards could be the job of an entire guild for months and months, you had to pay to play, but you knew that everyone there didn't get their items with money (BTW now it's free on steam), I also played Tibia where in the old times getting 'x' item could make you a Legend... you could be the only guy that had that item on the entire server for weeks or months because you were a extremelly geared player who Tanked a insane Boss on a very rare raid... these kind of MMORPG was the kind of games where experienced players were needed to go to the most difficult dungeons, and when you completed them you feel a dam good and epic, etc...
You got respect doing the hardest things in those games, maybe doing stuff that noone would be able to do it for weeks or that only the 5% better geared player could do (strategizing, dying several times, etc...).
I don't know what happened to these new MMORPGs
I'll tell you what happened. Modern gamers never played the ice level on Megaman or tried to beat the original Ninja Gaiden. You could tell when a kid tried to do that. They'd pulled half their hair out in frustration.
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Haha, pure win. I have nostalgia for the NES days.
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Hey, Mario was a tough game for the thumb-action impaired folk like me.
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So was Metroid.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
As for the dungeon, well, I went there with PUG we wiped on our first try there - not surprising - only one of us had been there before, and his English was not that great.
Anyhow, the dungeon is not that hard either - don't fall in the lava, run to the center at the right time, stay out of the red .... all pretty straight-forward and not too hard to follow.
One thing I have noticed, however, is that a good GF really makes a big difference for both the skirmish and the dungeon.