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Suggestion: Improved the belt refining process
lwedar
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 790 Arc User
Hi,
The current state of refining artifact belts is leaving alot of players frustrated. Specifically it is taking a crazy amount of clicks/time to refine the belt once you have the mats.
1. I suggest that you increase the amount of materials you can use to refine at a given time. Right now it is only 5 at a time which takes forever
2. Increase the RP value of purple (t1 and t2) belts. This would decrease the refining time (slightly) and also encourage people to run dungeons/ group up. Also it would increase value slightly of the belts which would lead to a minor AD sink. Right now it is more efficient to salvage belts then to use them for refining.
what do you all think?
The current state of refining artifact belts is leaving alot of players frustrated. Specifically it is taking a crazy amount of clicks/time to refine the belt once you have the mats.
1. I suggest that you increase the amount of materials you can use to refine at a given time. Right now it is only 5 at a time which takes forever
2. Increase the RP value of purple (t1 and t2) belts. This would decrease the refining time (slightly) and also encourage people to run dungeons/ group up. Also it would increase value slightly of the belts which would lead to a minor AD sink. Right now it is more efficient to salvage belts then to use them for refining.
what do you all think?
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HAHAHA are u kidding? You do realise u can buy stuff with your creditcard ye? Or you can do some serious AD on the AH, not everyone makes their AD runing PK all night long lol. Or some off us made tons when mod 3 came out. Do u remember the price on lesser indomable runestones? I paid around 200 AD each in mod2, and sold em for 77K each in mod3 (u can imagen how much AD I made)... If u are aware of the things that ppl need in the game u can make alot of AD.
Very few make that much that way. It is possible in theory but highly unlikely. Most people with that much have taken part in one cheat or another I would put real money on it.
You don't actually need to have the belt to see the problem that is going to come up.
And u see alot of ppl asking for this? 30M is not that much tbh for alot of players.
It might drop refinestones in the skirmish that comes to? Idk but i hear u, this will be a big issue.
So would I.
You'd have to spend ~ $600 on Zen to exchange for that much AD. Not buying it.
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Edit: before you start to crucify me, I already suggested another method to graalx3, obviously ignored, it was about going to the salvage trader and transform every item into resonance stones, in that way we don't need to keep tons of blue items, we can just have packs of this stones in our inv/bank or sell them in the AH.
You can already use blood rubies I believe from the zen store, however even in the triple pack they're more expensive than the completely overpriced flawless sapphires in the bazaar.
Frozen from just doing well? That's a bit over the top isn't it? Personally I made 20 million just from the the gond event. No exploits there. I then reinvested that AD which currently is netting me a huge loss but hope to make AD in future. I kind of want the AD to use now though.
This is actually a great idea.
I disagree. These items are supposed to be the penultimate gear available. They are supposed to be grueling and difficult to rank up to their ultimate level. Adding convience just for the sake of convience only devalues the design of the item.
Did you buy blueprints from the zen shop and list them on the ah? I consider that an exploit.
Not following. How it that an exploit? Does it violate any terms/rules/agreements? Nope.
In fact, it seems to me the Zen shop - ZAX - AH system was designed for that kind of use in order to increase Zen sales.
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I made the rank 7 doohickey and sold those.
Well, maybe we can start by speeding up the whole effing process for enchantments/artifacts as well. Because the refining usability is third-world at best.
Sorry, but what you write is SM method. Your post is a kick for every player and a shame itself.
1) You have to farm certain dragons to get a shot on a chance for dropping it!
2) You need more RP as for artifacts itself. Reason: Gear drop more as enhanchantment.
3) You need another item to use it(IDs)
4) It's more difficult to level it due gear doesn't stack.
5) Mark costs.
This all kick in. Saying it must be 'difficult' is one thing. For that is 1), 2), 3) and 5) enough!
4) make it only painful.
Yeah you could easily double your investment via Gond. I'm still pissed I wasn't able to profit as much because I ran out of ZEN and couldn't get an order through. Haha.
Actually if you are farming dragons. You most likely are doing it wrong. Ever stopped to wonder if they drop in the HEs, why would they also be in the special locked chests in the campaign skirmish and dungeon. Chests that you need to earn access to and you have to buy keys to open. Why would they do all that, just for the same drop?
I expect the drop rate for the HEs are so impossibly low, as to be a complete waste of time. This would then allow the expense of the chests to be balanced with an improved drop rate.
As for the rest of your rant. I see no problem with ultimate equipment requiring near ultimate time or effort to earn. I personally don't want to see ultimate gear become something everyone has. Anymore then I'd want to see ultimate gear on someone on day one, simply because they can bankroll it.
The thing is that there's nothing stopping that. It just means that the current refinement system is a pain for everyone to use.
Ok I've been trying to find a link to it but so far no luck. But back in open beta Cryptic stated that the Zen exchange was capped at 50:1 at a minimum to protect the value of Zen, and 500:1 at a maximum to protect the value of ad and to protect new players. Because of this, bypassing the cap by selling things on the ah for over 500:1 is breaking a game system which by strict definitions that I use is an exploit. PWE may or may not consider it so, but I do.
this guy is just one of those that you can't reason with, so just let him be. I personaly made 10 mill off alchemy event in just 1 hour. It made me giggle when he said that "all accounts over 30 mill should be frozen and investigated".
Back to important stuff. I'm prety sure this will be implemented in one of the new patches, because a lot of people are complaining about it. So I guess you should just wait for that
As much as they make BoP for no reason, if Cryptic considers it an 'exploit' to sell Zen items on the AH for AD, they'll make them BoP/BoA at the drop of a hat. They don't.
You may not like it, I think it's kind of derp myself, but it's not an exploit to make AD from a perfectly valid channel. You have a thing. It's not bound, so you can sell it on the AH. People want that thing but for whatever reason are willing to pay more AD not to wait for two weeks for the backlog to cycle. People who are more patient are willing to buy things for zen and put them on the AH to turn a profit and buy more zen to buy more things to sell on the AH.
It's a risk; demand may go down, an item may suddenly be turned BoP/BoA, etc.
Functionally it's really not any different from how normal commerce works. You won't/can't order coke directly from the manufacturer even though it would be cheaper because it would take longer or be inaccessible, so you pay more to get it from Wal-Mart or the local store even though they mark it up over what they pay for it, because instant gratification and no work. The local store then uses their proceeds to reinvest into items to sell and the process continues.
I suppose if you REALLY want to get into philosophical debates we can peg capitalism as omg evil, but otherwise, what the flippers are doing is perhaps annoying but by no means an exploit or bad. That you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.
And it only circumvents the ZAX in that it gives the rich, an avenue to pay more than zen is actually worth in order to not have to wait. You're still able to get Zen for 500 AD each; it's taken some time lately, but it's happened. Not everyone has the economical mind to sit there and analyze trends to work out what's going to be the most profitable, most people who want to sell excess zen just want to sell it and be done with it, so they slap it up on the ZAX and orders are filled.
No exploits, no evil, just capitalism doing its thing.
I disagree. The design is flawed and could be improved while still maintaining its intent. It will still be a grind and you will still need to gather the materials somehow. The convenience helps with the implementation of how you use these materials to refine. It frees up inventory space and also provides a more versatile way of playing the refining game. Also if the perceived value of a design is low, convenience doesn't de-value it.
No one is saying to give away the things for free, just improve on the current system.
laissez faire breaks real world and virtual economics. Our economy is broken in this game because of it. The actions broke the game system, what else do you call that but an exploit.
So very misguided.