Cryptic, you SO missed the mark on this one. I've been hooked on this game HARD since beta but even I will not pay $150-200 to get full boons PER CHARACTER. Seriously that's like spitting in our faces. We asked for account bound boons and they respond with this? I have 15 characters. To get them booned to Icewind would cost me $2250. I love this game...but thats a bit much to ask from us. You have an image problem right now, Cryptic. Players have long figured out that they're being coercively monetized by PWE...this just adds insult to injury and reinforces that fact.
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chaoscourtesanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2014
So I guess this isn't a joke? Did I spray coffee all over my monitor for nothing? LOL
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Hmmm at $50 per campaign to max out one character it equates to a little under 1.70 for saving a days worth of grinding. Its a little steep for my tastes but it saves people a month of grinding. I think it would be a more balanced buy at $30 per character. A dollar for a day.
The value is in time saved.
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If you just want to get them into IWD all you need is 3 boons from 1 campaign. May I suggest purchasing 11 Thayan relics? (Ta-Da! Insta IWD) That will only cost you AD, or simply slow down and enjoy the game. It doesn't take too much time to run a daily lair... look ahead for the requirements of your 3 boons and just do the necessary task.
WTF you can just buy character unlocks that boost your stats
no shame man
with all the negativity toward this game with being pay2win, and then you guys go and pull this stunt
WHAT THE F
how long until they just start selling fully geared and unlocked level 60 characters on the zen store?
It's a good change, the campaigns are horribly boring and repetitive. It's just overpriced. I think the fact that you can buy rank 10s and level your artifacts to l100 with money and yet isn't practical to grind has a bigger effect and so arguing about other changes about being pay2win is kind of pointless. It kind of comes with the exchange.
Hmmm at $50 per campaign to max out one character it equates to a little under 1.70 for saving a days worth of grinding. Its a little steep for my tastes but it saves people a month of grinding. I think it would be a more balanced buy at $30 per character. A dollar for a day.
The value is in time saved.
I think a lot of people will gladly fork over 1.70 a day to avoid the grind on their 3rd or 4th toon.
Grind out ADs, grind out actual quests, or pay money. You've lost NOTHING, only gained. This is NOT something to complain about.
ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited August 2014
Ha...it's hilarious.
First people complain that Cryptic will CHARGE them money to access content.
Now people are complaining that Cryptic is CHARGING people to SKIP content.
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scoutmasterjMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 101Arc User
edited August 2014
This is fantastic news. First, it's not $50 it's 5000 zen (in other words, you can grind for it). You'd all be crying about a paywall if it was $50. Second, Sharandar unlock is easily worth $50. That things takes forever. I'm sure your time is well worth more than $50. Stop whining, and be grateful they made it available.
This is exactly the 'pay for convenience' stuff that the whales that support this game will pay for.
Lets do some math, shall we?
The Unlock costs 5000 Zen.
Zen at the moment costs 500 AD.
Thats 2,500,000 AD per Unlock.
Two Unlocks per Character.
Thats 5,000,000 AD for every toon.
You wanted a sink that could pull MILLIONS of AD out of the Game overnight?
Personally, I would have added a Wondrous Bizarre version for 3,000,000 A.D. for each Campaign and watch that Surplus disappear, even if they only ran it as a one time special during one of the Events.
'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
Lets do some math, shall we?
The Unlock costs 5000 Zen.
Zen at the moment costs 500 AD.
Thats 2,500,000 AD per Unlock.
Two Unlocks per Character.
Thats 5,000,000 AD for every toon.
You wanted a sink that could pull MILLIONS of AD out of the Game overnight?
Except that's not how the ZAX works. Buying zen on the zen exchange just passes the AD to someone else. That AD is still in the economy.
This is fantastic news. First, it's not $50 it's 5000 zen (in other words, you can grind for it). You'd all be crying about a paywall if it was $50. Second, Sharandar unlock is easily worth $50. That things takes forever. I'm sure your time is well worth more than $50. Stop whining, and be grateful they made it available.
This is exactly the 'pay for convenience' stuff that the whales that support this game will pay for.
Don't justify it. The price is ridiculous and they should have made the campaign, especially sharandar, actually compelling to do. Instead everyone hates doing it and you have to pay a ridiculous amount for just a single character.
Lets do some math, shall we?
The Unlock costs 5000 Zen.
Zen at the moment costs 500 AD.
Thats 2,500,000 AD per Unlock.
Two Unlocks per Character.
Thats 5,000,000 AD for every toon.
You wanted a sink that could pull MILLIONS of AD out of the Game overnight?
Personally, I would have added a Wondrous Bizarre version for 3,000,000 A.D. for each Campaign and watch that Surplus disappear, even if they only ran it as a one time special during one of the Events.
That is the complete opposite of an AD sink. If anything, the ones actually willing to buy it with AD will INCREASE the backlog.
Lets do some math, shall we?
The Unlock costs 5000 Zen.
Zen at the moment costs 500 AD.
Thats 2,500,000 AD per Unlock.
Two Unlocks per Character.
Thats 5,000,000 AD for every toon.
You wanted a sink that could pull MILLIONS of AD out of the Game overnight?
Personally, I would have added a Wondrous Bizarre version for 3,000,000 A.D. for each Campaign and watch that Surplus disappear, even if they only ran it as a one time special during one of the Events.
Except that's not how the ZAX works. Buying zen on the zen exchange just passes the AD to someone else. That AD is still in the economy.
It is actually even worse than this since it takes ZEN not AD out of the system hence making the ZAX backlog even worse. Having such a high priced and desirable item in the ZEN store only really benefits players who are 'lucky' enough to have enough AD that they can continuously put up AD selling listings.
In fact this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of an AD sink and will simply make life even harder for legitimate players.
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chaoscourtesanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2014
What a bunch of..
We requested to make better use of the resources we have on characters that had already finished the damned things, rather than have them sit around taking up space. I have like 40 of the ciphers (extra) needed to advance a tick in dread ring on each of 9 chars, and 4 other chars who could use them.
So we got this instead. Maybe it helps someone, but it's not something I am willing to spend zen or AD on. For me, it just means that I will never get to use those resources that are already in my inventory.
Edit- Added "(extra)"
Also have enough Sparks and Acorns and Crescents and Lucky Charms and whatever else to finish all four, if I could but give them to the other chars. Even at a loss...
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Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
Personally I will not be buying any of these boon completion packs, but I do support them being there. The price is too much for me to justify it, but they basically allow you to skip content in the game. Skipping content is never a good thing in my opinion. I love the daily grind as its how I get refinement materials for my artifacts, how I make AD on the AH (in addition to leadership), and is just generally more enjoyable than mindlessly grinding mobs with no dailies attached. I don't understand today's generation of gamers. Dailies are far far preferred over what I used to have to do back in the 80s and 90s to get things I wanted (in games such as Ultima and older Final Fantasy titles).
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If you just want to get them into IWD all you need is 3 boons from 1 campaign. May I suggest purchasing 11 Thayan relics? (Ta-Da! Insta IWD) That will only cost you AD, or simply slow down and enjoy the game. It doesn't take too much time to run a daily lair... look ahead for the requirements of your 3 boons and just do the necessary task.
I'm aware that, in order to reach IWD, all I would need is relics from DR. I wasn't talking about reaching IWD, I was talking about completing IWD. See my OP
I have 15 characters. To get them booned to Icewind would cost me $2250.
I understand that for some, pve is endgame. If PVE was all I cared about in this game, I would have quit from boredom long ago. I find the same scenery on 15 characters to be a little tedious after the 3rd go around. By character #5 I'm pretty much phoning it in. For a pvp-focused player, this is akin to a slow march in the desert. Look...another cactus...wow...someone shoot me.
two words would fix this situation entirely.......
Account bound
yep 50 bucks account bound sharadar unlock you might have me.. 40 you definitely would.
Agreed! This is precisely what we asked for in Ash's original poll. Of course Cryptic ignored the whole "account bound" request and focused on monetizing every character instead. At $50 per campaign per character just to make ONE of their imposed grinds a little less painful is just too much. No thanks.
If you price them too low, you would anger the players who actually put in the work to grind those
I put in the work to grind them on 3 characters already and I'm working on two more. If they were to make boons account bound so I can roll more characters (hey! i need to buy more character slots! cha-ching!), I wouldn't be angry at all. Anyone who would be angry about that isn't "slowing down and enjoying the game" as I was advised to do earlier.
If you price them too low, you would anger the players who actually put in the work to grind those
So make them only available once you have completed the boon grind on one of your characters. Even so I would be hesitant to spend $50 for an account-wide unlock.
What I fear will happen is that future grinds will be made even longer and more tedious, so as to make such ZEN store items look more desirable.
Just like it has been stated many times about this game you either pay in time or money to progress $50 to skip 22(dr) dailies equates to 2.27 a day not a bad conversion rate, i think sharandar is actually more days too, overprice maybe but not that ridiculous knowing Cryptic, i'm ever surprised you have the option unlike every other MMO i played you just gotta grind it every time no matter what
It is actually even worse than this since it takes ZEN not AD out of the system hence making the ZAX backlog even worse. Having such a high priced and desirable item in the ZEN store only really benefits players who are 'lucky' enough to have enough AD that they can continuously put up AD selling listings.
In fact this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of an AD sink and will simply make life even harder for legitimate players.
Exactly! Thank you! For all of you who grind away to make your AD legit, this just rewards those who haven't. What exactly are you cheering about? That the Zen market will continue rocketing up to 20M in backlog? Be careful what you ask for.
So make them only available once you have completed the boon grind on one of your characters. Even so I would be hesitant to spend $50 for an account-wide unlock.
What I fear will happen is that future grinds will be made even longer and more tedious, so as to make such ZEN store items look more desirable.
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The value is in time saved.
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Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
If you just want to get them into IWD all you need is 3 boons from 1 campaign. May I suggest purchasing 11 Thayan relics? (Ta-Da! Insta IWD) That will only cost you AD, or simply slow down and enjoy the game. It doesn't take too much time to run a daily lair... look ahead for the requirements of your 3 boons and just do the necessary task.
It's a good change, the campaigns are horribly boring and repetitive. It's just overpriced. I think the fact that you can buy rank 10s and level your artifacts to l100 with money and yet isn't practical to grind has a bigger effect and so arguing about other changes about being pay2win is kind of pointless. It kind of comes with the exchange.
I think a lot of people will gladly fork over 1.70 a day to avoid the grind on their 3rd or 4th toon.
Grind out ADs, grind out actual quests, or pay money. You've lost NOTHING, only gained. This is NOT something to complain about.
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Step 2. Sell 5000 ZEN item that allows bypassing grind.
Step 3. Profit.
Step 3a. Repeat as necessary......
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First people complain that Cryptic will CHARGE them money to access content.
Now people are complaining that Cryptic is CHARGING people to SKIP content.
This is exactly the 'pay for convenience' stuff that the whales that support this game will pay for.
The Unlock costs 5000 Zen.
Zen at the moment costs 500 AD.
Thats 2,500,000 AD per Unlock.
Two Unlocks per Character.
Thats 5,000,000 AD for every toon.
You wanted a sink that could pull MILLIONS of AD out of the Game overnight?
Personally, I would have added a Wondrous Bizarre version for 3,000,000 A.D. for each Campaign and watch that Surplus disappear, even if they only ran it as a one time special during one of the Events.
'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
Except that's not how the ZAX works. Buying zen on the zen exchange just passes the AD to someone else. That AD is still in the economy.
Don't justify it. The price is ridiculous and they should have made the campaign, especially sharandar, actually compelling to do. Instead everyone hates doing it and you have to pay a ridiculous amount for just a single character.
That is the complete opposite of an AD sink. If anything, the ones actually willing to buy it with AD will INCREASE the backlog.
It is actually even worse than this since it takes ZEN not AD out of the system hence making the ZAX backlog even worse. Having such a high priced and desirable item in the ZEN store only really benefits players who are 'lucky' enough to have enough AD that they can continuously put up AD selling listings.
In fact this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of an AD sink and will simply make life even harder for legitimate players.
We requested to make better use of the resources we have on characters that had already finished the damned things, rather than have them sit around taking up space. I have like 40 of the ciphers (extra) needed to advance a tick in dread ring on each of 9 chars, and 4 other chars who could use them.
So we got this instead. Maybe it helps someone, but it's not something I am willing to spend zen or AD on. For me, it just means that I will never get to use those resources that are already in my inventory.
Edit- Added "(extra)"
Also have enough Sparks and Acorns and Crescents and Lucky Charms and whatever else to finish all four, if I could but give them to the other chars. Even at a loss...
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
We pay them to avoid playing their game?
Is this their new business model?
Account bound
yep 50 bucks account bound sharadar unlock you might have me.. 40 you definitely would.
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I'm aware that, in order to reach IWD, all I would need is relics from DR. I wasn't talking about reaching IWD, I was talking about completing IWD. See my OP 15 Characters @ $150 USD/Character (3 campaigns includes IWD) = $2250.
I understand that for some, pve is endgame. If PVE was all I cared about in this game, I would have quit from boredom long ago. I find the same scenery on 15 characters to be a little tedious after the 3rd go around. By character #5 I'm pretty much phoning it in. For a pvp-focused player, this is akin to a slow march in the desert. Look...another cactus...wow...someone shoot me.
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Agreed! This is precisely what we asked for in Ash's original poll. Of course Cryptic ignored the whole "account bound" request and focused on monetizing every character instead. At $50 per campaign per character just to make ONE of their imposed grinds a little less painful is just too much. No thanks.
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I put in the work to grind them on 3 characters already and I'm working on two more. If they were to make boons account bound so I can roll more characters (hey! i need to buy more character slots! cha-ching!), I wouldn't be angry at all. Anyone who would be angry about that isn't "slowing down and enjoying the game" as I was advised to do earlier.
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So make them only available once you have completed the boon grind on one of your characters. Even so I would be hesitant to spend $50 for an account-wide unlock.
What I fear will happen is that future grinds will be made even longer and more tedious, so as to make such ZEN store items look more desirable.
Exactly! Thank you! For all of you who grind away to make your AD legit, this just rewards those who haven't. What exactly are you cheering about? That the Zen market will continue rocketing up to 20M in backlog? Be careful what you ask for.
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I think that might be the eventual plan.