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Problem with AD refinement limit

yethensyethens Member Posts: 32 Arc User
edited August 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
I have 4 characters. Until short I was able to refine all the AD's I got from Leadership, dailies and skirmishes but now I found myself with an increasingly amount of unrefined AD because of the 24k limit. I would like to continue doing the dailies and skirmishes but I really don't know what to do because the unrefined AD's -142k on my main- is getting out of proportions. I don't have that much refined AD's so I need all the AD's I can get to buy the stuff I need. This is bringing me to play less and less because I don't see any other way to disminish the unrefined AD's.
So what to do now? Stop playing and only logging in once a day to refine the 24k?
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    yethens wrote: »
    I have 4 characters. Until short I was able to refine all the AD's I got from Leadership, dailies and skirmishes but now I found myself with an increasingly amount of unrefined AD because of the 24k limit. I would like to continue doing the dailies and skirmishes but I really don't know what to do because the unrefined AD's -142k on my main- is getting out of proportions. I don't have that much refined AD's so I need all the AD's I can get to buy the stuff I need. This is bringing me to play less and less because I don't see any other way to disminish the unrefined AD's.
    So what to do now? Stop playing and only logging in once a day to refine the 24k?
    Things would be worse without the refine cap. It puts a limit on how much can be introduced into the system per day. If you are looking to make ad, run some dungeons instead of salvaging the stuff you loot put it up on the ah.
  • yethensyethens Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I suppose I am a bit naive but why is there a refine cap?
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Because without limiting how much each character can create a day you would have runaway inflation even worse than now. You have 4 characters at refinement cap. Now imagine the guy with 10+, the guy with 50, the imagine how bad it would be if there was no cap.
  • yethensyethens Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ok, so what to do now? Stop doing dailies at all? stop doing Leadership? and just dungeons (that I never do because I hate them)?? I was enjoying doing what I did and now I am forced to stop?... :confused:
  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    When you have done the skirmishes and dailies on all your four alts the day should be more or less over? :)

    Basically you can avoid the AD cap by making sure you utilize the cap also on your alts. If you get tradeable epics that are not worth putting on AH, you can for instance use an alt to salvage.
  • zshikarazshikara Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    Because without limiting how much each character can create a day you would have runaway inflation even worse than now. You have 4 characters at refinement cap. Now imagine the guy with 10+, the guy with 50, the imagine how bad it would be if there was no cap.

    I want to know how anyone has time to manage more than 2 or 3 characters full time. I find myself only really able to handle 1 with only minimal time put into a second one.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    zshikara wrote: »
    I want to know how anyone has time to manage more than 2 or 3 characters full time. I find myself only really able to handle 1 with only minimal time put into a second one.
    I can earn the refine cap with just leadership, sometimes abit more. Just takes logging on to the gateway a couple times a day for about 10 mins. My play time is usually just one character a night, though not always the same one.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited August 2014
    yethens wrote: »
    ok, so what to do now? Stop doing dailies at all? stop doing Leadership? and just dungeons (that I never do because I hate them)?? I was enjoying doing what I did and now I am forced to stop?... :confused:

    If you enjoy what you are doing keep doing it.

    Frankly I wish I had your problem. You, like me, are bound to have days where you can't play much and that is part of the benefit of having high amounts of RAD stored up. :p

    But...yeah...the limit is needed and isn't going anywhere. There's a 13M AD backlog on the ZAX as it is when people are limited to only 24K a day per character. No need to make that worse.
  • yethensyethens Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mentinmindmaker wrote: »
    When you have done the skirmishes and dailies on all your four alts the day should be more or less over? :)

    Basically you can avoid the AD cap by making sure you utilize the cap also on your alts. If you get tradeable epics that are not worth putting on AH, you can for instance use an alt to salvage.

    I don't do all the dailies. Just the foundry (once or two a week) and the skirmishes (daily). And this with 3 characters.
    I don't get tradeable epics because, as I said, I dont do dungeons.
  • yethensyethens Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I don't have high amounts of RAD, ambisinisterr. I wish. I dont have enoug RAD to buy high lvl enchantments (7-8) for all my alts. Only my main has top gear with lvl 7 enchantments and greater vorpal (can't afford perfect yet).
    I understand the limit now. I suppose then that there are lots like me with huge amounts of unrefined AD's. I can't imagine I am the only one.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It works out eventually. You get busy IRL and maybe just log to pray and refine for a while and that backlog gets taken care of. Think of it as a savings account.
  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I do leadership tasks twice a day with 9 slots and can't get anywhere close to the refinement limit (I get an average of 15k a day).

    The "trick" with leadership is, other than the one "standard" and one occasional "rare" task for 1600 rAD, do tasks for items you can sell on the AH (maps, refugees...). You pay some taxes, but you get refined AD: 3 refugees sell for 8-900 AD, and it's a 8h (or 6h if you're lucky) taxk, district maps sell for 3-400 AD each, and you get 2 for a 6h task. Mining claims sell for 4-500AD and you either get 2 in 12h or 1 in 4h (if you can log often, say 5 times a day for a few minutes, it's an awesome task, you'll get some 20k refined AD a day).
  • galaxy1045galaxy1045 Member Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    yethens wrote: »
    I have 4 characters. Until short I was able to refine all the AD's I got from Leadership, dailies and skirmishes but now I found myself with an increasingly amount of unrefined AD because of the 24k limit. I would like to continue doing the dailies and skirmishes but I really don't know what to do because the unrefined AD's -142k on my main- is getting out of proportions. I don't have that much refined AD's so I need all the AD's I can get to buy the stuff I need. This is bringing me to play less and less because I don't see any other way to disminish the unrefined AD's.
    So what to do now? Stop playing and only logging in once a day to refine the 24k?
    Lately there were no bans because people had more than 24k rAD on any of their toon.
    Worst case that can happen is that you play a game just for fun, not for virtual currency. On the other hand, one might argue that "fun" is the ultimate currency you can earn in a game.
    So, keep playing, and maybe you can find a viewpoint from which you can enjoy the game without being paid for.
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  • yethensyethens Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ryugasirius wrote: »
    I do leadership tasks twice a day with 9 slots and can't get anywhere close to the refinement limit (I get an average of 15k a day).

    The "trick" with leadership is, other than the one "standard" and one occasional "rare" task for 1600 rAD, do tasks for items you can sell on the AH (maps, refugees...). You pay some taxes, but you get refined AD: 3 refugees sell for 8-900 AD, and it's a 8h (or 6h if you're lucky) taxk, district maps sell for 3-400 AD each, and you get 2 for a 6h task. Mining claims sell for 4-500AD and you either get 2 in 12h or 1 in 4h (if you can log often, say 5 times a day for a few minutes, it's an awesome task, you'll get some 20k refined AD a day).

    That's indeed a good tip. I will try that. Thanks.

    Any other tips anyone?
  • w00trandomsnoobiw00trandomsnoobi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 387 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    yethens wrote: »
    Any other tips anyone?
    If you haven't yet, read this guide on how to make AD.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Also, if for some reason you can't log into the game for a few days, you can refine your AD in the Gateway. If you log in, then go to your backpack, there's a button on the right side of the screen.

    Most unrefined AD I ever had on me was about 700k...but eventually I got through it :)
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  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Honestly if you are relying on RAD for your primary income you are either doing it wrong or you have 100 alts.
  • cerberobotcerberobot Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 345
    edited August 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    Things would be worse without the refine cap. It puts a limit on how much can be introduced into the system per day. If you are looking to make ad, run some dungeons instead of salvaging the stuff you loot put it up on the ah.

    Would be full of bots. Bots would enjoy partying as 5, running dungeons 24/7, salvaging to infinity, AH prices raising. This is already quite expensive, so w/o the AD reffining cap ...
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    If you don't do dungeons then you don't "need" the top level enchants. Even if you do the dungeons maxxed out enchants arent vital.

    I have alts with level 20 leadership and some days can go over the daily cap from that plus the 1k for the daily invoke, other days I get less. To me it doesn't matter that much as I see there being no point in bumping my enchants above rank 7 due to the stupidly high cost. Very little on the AH is at anywhere near a reasonable rate thanks to the zen only crafting stuff and various exploits. Other than the odd minion just for the sake of it I have found no AD sink in game worth putting anything into.

    So unless you get sucked into the mentality of needing the top end AHable gear then the cap is fine. There's no content that really requires it and tbh I doubt there ever will unless you find it in the foundry.
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    postagepaid wrote: »
    To me it doesn't matter that much as I see there being no point in bumping my enchants above rank 7 due to the stupidly high cost.

    Well, you don't need to go above rank 7 - but if you just collect the enchantments that drop as you play and use them for refining, you will eventually get there....sure, it is slow, but you don't need to buy stacks of enchants from botters,
    Hoping for improvements...
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