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doomking70
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This is the second time this has happened to me. At the end of the King dungeon after the loot is rolled on some one does not roll on it and then we wait and bam and i get booted? That is a waste of a hour of running arund that place , then to have that happen ?
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If not it's why a lot of people don't pug. Most players will do whatever they can to look out for themselves no matter who it hurts.
If you roll 'need' while everyone else agreed to 'greed' for that instance, then expect to be kicked.
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This^^^
Take this as a learning opportunity OP. Be sure to ask for a clear answer from the party on how to handle the loot
It's called you broke the social agreement then. While I wouldn't have booted you. I would have looked at your @handle and told everyone I know your name so they could put you on ignore. You did something that will get you problems with BoE items in every mmo ever made.
Even if you don't understand it, just accept that it is that way. It's this way in every other mmo that has loot rolls and BoE loot drops. DDO is an exception because every bit of loot is personalized like our dungeon chests here. You can't compare them. If you don't accept this, you should get used to getting booted as it will happen more than not.
Little much hyperbole there. But face it strangers have never and will never put strangers above themselves often. It isn't how the human brain evolved. We are a tribal species that values family and tribe (friends in modern society) over anyone outside that group. This is the way it's been since we climbed out the trees and into the savannah.
If you're trying to farm gear then focus on DD chests (one they fix the bugged loot rolls, anyway). Rolling need in pug groups is going to get you kicked a lot, especially if you just finished the last boss. Unfortunately you can also be kicked for doing nothing wrong so you may suffer the same fate either way.
When you roll need on something it cancels out any rolls that weren't also need, that's why the pugs kicked you, because they had 0% chance to get the item once you rolled need.
People are real hard-up for AD around this time with a new class coming in 4 days, everybody is saving up every penny they can to gear their SW's so this type of thing may be a bit more common than usual. If yer in a pug group and a T2 gear piece actually drops from the boss (very very rare), kicks will probably be coming...
If 1 person rolls need where everyone else rolled greed it is like playing with weighted dice.
Need always gets a higher number against greed rolls.
The guild im in has a policy i like Greed for Gear Need on eNchants and even when i pug unless i see everyone else needing then i go for it
No, there is no "weighted chance" when someone rolls need and the others rolled greed, there is ZERO chance a greed roll will overtake a need roll. Even if the need roll is 1 and the greed roll is 100, the need takes the item every time, nuff said.
You could have asked by yourself if its a greed run. Especially if you joined later, you might have missed the important conversation. I am asking every time.
'Need' rolls always gets priority over 'greed' rolls. Only if no one rolled 'need', then the system looks at the 'greed' rolls and decide who gets what loot. Thats why you get kicked when you roll 'need' when you are in a 'greed' run for example. You would take everyone else's chances away while you would get the same chance to obtain the gear of other classes. No one wants such selfish persons in their groups. Welcome to the world of MMOs.
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
Is this confirmed? I was running skirmishes last night and a DC won almost everything, including items I could and did roll need on.
I have been booted a few times because of this, and yet no one had said anything about it at the start. So I started telling people I do not do Greed, so if they don't like it tell me now and I'll leave.
But I did an Epic run recently with a pre-made party formed on the Legit Channel, rather than just queuing for a PUG, and NEEDED a few enchants and green things that came up. I was not booted, but got PM'd that the standard Legit Channel Party rules are that EVERY roll is GREED for absolutely everything - green, blue, purple, enchants etc. So I abided by it after that. It was a ferocious and fun run. More fun than I'd had for ages, in fact, as I've been grinding Sharandar, Dread Ring and Level 60 Skirmishes with two characters since the last Ice Age.
The idea of a Greed run is that with, say, a DC item only a DC can NEED on it and NEED takes priority over GREED. As the items are dropped randomly, if everyone agrees to GREED then it IS a pure dice roll and the winner is decided by a random roll.
This was fine in that run as we were all experienced level 60s with all Epic gear, complete gear sets etc and GSs of 13k+. I had a full set of Grim Faithful and other PvP gear, for example.
But it is a little unfair to more recent level 60 PUGs who may not have much Epic gear. If a suit of Epic Plate Mail comes up and there is a GF in the party, he is going to say "I need that" and click on NEED instinctively. No other class actually needs it, which is why they HAVE to click on GREED. But if there is only one GF in the party, it's a guaranteed win for him.
That is why the game has NEED or GREED - you are meant to click what your status actually is. If you are the required class you get it as you need it - the others do not. If there are two or more of you, the roll is between the two of you. If there are no GFs, everyone has to click GREED as none of them need it as they cannot equip it.
Forcing GREED on players that actually need the gear, purely for the greed of people who want an equal chance of getting the prize because they have some warped idea of "fair play", is rather perverse and immature. But as long as it is clear at the outset, then you can decide whether to play with them or not.
As I say, with experienced level 60s with high GS, it's fair enough if it is agreed at the outset as they are already approaching BIS.
But they would have had to have a vote to kick you from a Dungeon Delve, and three would have to vote "YES".
Possibly, you broke the convention earlier on, but they kept you until the Boss was killed, then kicked you?
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Like people who curse others to "die" in red letters in their sig (roll eyes):rolleyes:
1) Always agree to epic greed, all greed, or all need at the START of a dungeon. The leader of party can set the loot threshold before the dungeon is qued for, or entered manually. You can even ask before you join the party what the roll policy is going to be for that dungeon.
2) If nobody is talking, and everyone is just running off then you have the option to leave the party. Probably a good indication that it's not going to be a good PUG run is the fact nobody's talking, not even in another language.
Everyone has an opportunity to leave a bad situation in dungeons. You just have to chose to do it.
Whilst I have sympathy for some people that get booted before last roll of a dungeon, on the other hand sometimes it's the only opportunity one has to boot the nasty player that has been bothering the party the whole dungeon, and it's just impractical to do it with a large mob trying to kill you.
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I do curse at people too on regular basis in PvP
Even when they don't deserve it
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So this raises a question, what if you enter a group of say two or three guys and their sole intention is to minimize their chance of loosing a roll , so they just boot people. Then give the loot to their buddy or such? I mean I cant believe the developers could not fore see this behavior.
Yes such people could get a bad a name and or reported which I did, and to one of you said earlier maybe i came in late .. Negative, I Queued in the dungeon and was the first in and we began to run no word at all. Now with that being said ,I did just start playing last week and maybe that is the standard behavior?
And I would love to hear some confirmation from a dev that need always wins over greed because I HAVE lost to greed. Any way I do believe in Karma, and people who are doing this kind of thing ,
I feel sorry for them . This is a video game.. I feel very bad for future generations .. A video game??? Thanks all for posting..
I think Ill go back to DDO yes it is a little old but it has a solid community , people actually talk to each other via voice in chat people actually respond to questions. Have a good Sunday all
This is a DnD thing , I read this in a Dnd book. "The Death Knight pointed his finger and uttered "Die" "
Yes that can happen unfortunately.
As far as Greed runs, there is a very good reason for them. Most folks at this point in time have all their gear (on several of each class), they are ONLY running the dungeons for a chance for some loot to sell. If you roll need, you are basically saying, thanks for the help but you are out of the running for any loot. Why should someone that doesn't need loot and is only running the dungeon for a chance for some AD join if that is what you are going to do?
Most folks running CN for example do loot splits.
You're trying to cast Power Word: Kill in your sig?
So you are trying to cast Power Word: Kill on us? even worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::p
I mostly focus on CN since there is very little reason to run other dungeons at this point. The ancient weapons are worth relatively the same to a TR or a DC.
As for other dungeons, you could talk it out with the other player.
(I actually prefer split runs the most but that only works when 4 of the members are guildmates)
I think you misrepresented the greed run argument very poorly. Greed runs exist because a lot of parties aren't rainbow comps which means if there are 3x CW in a party, the CW's chances of getting the drop is far far below. Now personally, I think cryptic should balance the classes so that rainbow comps are the most efficient, but hey, that's a whole other discussion. Let's go back to reality: rainbow comps are not the most efficient. In either case, you would still want each member to have an equal chance at the loot.
Lastly, I don't know what crappy dungeon you are running but rarely do you salvage the last loot for 1.6gold (30 pieces of silver really? blue items? Must be running VT or something wherein BOP loot is what you are after in which case your argument is invalid)