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What is up with Perfect Vorpal prices?

mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2014 in PvE Discussion
I keep track of Perfect Vorpal prices as an easy way to keep track of how the top end enchant market is doing, but recently their prices seem to have gone haywire.

Before the Gond event they were ~15 million AD, but a couple of days ago the cheapest was almost 20 million Ad, and now they are several for 12.5 million AD. Worse 12.5 million doesn't make any sense given the price of coals as it is cheaper than making one yourself...

Any ideas why the prices are yo-yoing like this.
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  • midnightitamidnightita Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Exploits much
  • lazaroth666lazaroth666 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The guys that had fun with the recent exploit are probably "washing" astral diamonds.
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  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I already see rank 10 going down in the price too.

    The reason for it is probably reduced demand caused by recent exploit and following maintenance. And some "extreme" abusers getting banned. Not all though...
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I think I have figured out what was going on.

    Coal Ward prices have plummeted to ~600 K AD and are still falling. (As an aside I always wondered who could possibly have enough AD to burn that they would purchase Coals at up to 950K AD...)

    So lets assume some 'lucky' people had been buying Coals with their AD. They would now want to sell them or make top end enchants as quickly as possible.....
  • cookiecrisp15cookiecrisp15 Banned Users Posts: 532 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    Exploits much

    what was that exploit about?
  • spaghettinerusspaghettinerus Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    This might happen due to multiple reasons:

    Lack of liquid ADs

    1) People have all their cash in stocks of stuff that they will sell when Mod4 hits.
    2) It took about time but I think that eventually most people understood that in order to make money all you need = Zen, so they have most of their cash frozen in AD2Zen requests with no chance to take them off due to the absurdly long waiting time.


    Coalescents + Chest bugs

    I've been talking to a few people who told me that the same-loot-in-every-box bug affects the 7-days chest too.
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  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    what was that exploit about?

    Don't want my thread closed so I can't answer but you can just check Reddit or Google it.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    This might happen due to multiple reasons:

    Lack of liquid ADs

    1) People have all their cash in stocks of stuff that they will sell when Mod4 hits.
    2) It took about time but I think that eventually most people understood that in order to make money all you need = Zen, so they have most of their cash frozen in AD2Zen requests with no chance to take them off due to the absurdly long waiting time.


    Coalescents + Chest bugs

    I've been talking to a few people who told me that the same-loot-in-every-box bug affects the 7-days chest too.

    Two good points.

    The final point (same-loot-in-every-box bug affects the 7-days chest ), even if true however, shouldn't really affect the rate of coal ward production as people will simply get something else on characters not getting coals, but have no way to increase the number of characters getting coals.

    However, the fall in coal prices has been extraordinarily swift, and I have noticed the same accounts selling large numbers of coals and lesser enchantments, so a major driver is a few people people liquidating VERY large numbers of coals.
  • cookiecrisp15cookiecrisp15 Banned Users Posts: 532 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Don't want my thread closed so I can't answer but you can just check Reddit or Google it.
    thx found it.

    tbh i heard about it b4 but every one who i know and who was doing it isnt banned their alts are hope they ill track them :|

    the expl was about endless astral rift farm so ppls could have infinite amount of AD.
  • anharmonanharmon Member Posts: 175
    edited August 2014
    High-end AH prices dropped pretty dramatically after the action against exploiters. Turns out most of them were laundering their exploited AD ... hence, 20 million AD for a Perfect Vorpal drops to ~12 million, last I checked.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    no actions have been taken against exploiters. they are still writing happily in chat in game. so no.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Coalescents + Chest bugs

    I've been talking to a few people who told me that the same-loot-in-every-box bug affects the 7-days chest too.

    I don't think so. I get 11 boxes every week and pile them up to open on one character. All different stuff.
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  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    Some people probably discovered an exploit in wards
  • lwedarlwedar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Some people probably discovered an exploit in wards

    perhaps, I have also noticed an increase in Coal ward chance from the 7 day chest.
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  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    This silly - there are now 10+ Perfect Vorpals in the AH are between 10 and 12 million AD, which is way below the cost of making them, even BEFORE the AH cost.

    Is there a major nerf incoming for Vorpal or something?
  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Everything goes as expected. Panic before m4, everyone is rushing to gain some AD for m4. Plus a lot of major "AD holders" were suspended/banned. Gold sellers mostly...
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    Everything goes as expected. Panic before m4, everyone is rushing to gain some AD for m4. Plus a lot of major "AD holders" were suspended/banned. Gold sellers mostly...

    So you are saying that it is people trying to get liquid AD before Mod 4? That seems odd to me as I assume that prices of enchantments will go up early on in Mod 4 (to at least match the cost of making them).

    Unless it is pure panic selling of course....
  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    So you are saying that it is people trying to get liquid AD before Mod 4? That seems odd to me as I assume that prices of enchantments will go up early on in Mod 4 (to at least match the cost of making them).

    Unless it is pure panic selling of course....
    I've just remembered something... http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/6005153-the-next-chapter-in-season-of-dragons
    There might be a x2 refinement weekend soon. I doubt they will beat all the monster cards though so...probably just pre m4 panic.
    Also, I see no vorpal nerfs on preview. It's not the only enchantment going down in the price.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    I've just remembered something... http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/6005153-the-next-chapter-in-season-of-dragons
    There might be a x2 refinement weekend soon. I doubt they will beat all the monster cards though so...probably just pre m4 panic.
    Also, I see no vorpal nerfs on preview. It's not the only enchantment going down in the price.


    Good point about double RP event, but the cost of Perfect Vorpal just went down to 9 million. Even excluding RP costs, you need 15 coals (or 7 coals and 8 Lessers) and 10 Greater Marks of Potency. That is an absolute minimum of 8.5 million AD right there.

    My only thought on this weirdness is that the markets are so messed up with exploited AD and old exploited enchants that trying standard economic reasoning doesn't work.
  • lionmaruu0lionmaruu0 Member Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I dont care about the AH price of anything, if you want a pvorp you work for it like I did. and you dont need a perfect vorpal to begin... it should be the last thing you would have not the first.

    you can clear all the content on this game including pvp whitout a perfect anything.

    AND if you can even get a normal version of an enchantment and a soulforged you are doing something very wrong.

    all this hurry to have perfect everything and pay their way to superman is just stupid. I had made a new cw, a mof, with dread ring armor, a soulforged and a lesser terror... he cleared all the content on the game he could enter, multiple times, with a gs of 9k. ranking pretty decent 1st/2nd place on "paingiver" in almost every run.

    Of course I am a experienced player.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Pretty sure that any take-things-as-they-come PvE players don't give a fig about their ELO rating, or anybody else's for that matter.

    To be completely fair about it.
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  • jrfbrunetjrfbrunet Member Posts: 388 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I don't think so. I get 11 boxes every week and pile them up to open on one character. All different stuff.
    You may have discovered something interesting about the chest bug that the devs would be interested in knowing...

    About vorpal nerf - I think i did read something about a tweak/nerf for mod4, though I don't know how valid the nerf perspective would be.
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  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    There are a lot of lesser left over from before the bondopacalapse. So the lessers sell for about what a coal does. So 2 lessers + coal is 1.5M for a normal. which is 3M+500k for coal 3.5 M for a greater. @ greaters and a coal 7.5M leaving 4.5M profit on a perfect.
    Edit: minus RP of course but still a decent profit.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    query523 wrote: »
    There are a lot of lesser left over from before the bondopacalapse. So the lessers sell for about what a coal does. So 2 lessers + coal is 1.5M for a normal. which is 3M+500k for coal 3.5 M for a greater. @ greaters and a coal 7.5M leaving 4.5M profit on a perfect.
    Edit: minus RP of course but still a decent profit.

    You have to include the cost of the Greater Marks of Potency too, so that is an extra 10* 100K = 1 million AD. So as I said, even excluding RP, it is still a minimum of 8.5 million AD. and they were selling for 9 million yesterday at one stage.

    So people are taking massive losses for some reason to sell their Perfect Vorpals fast.....
  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    You have to include the cost of the Greater Marks of Potency too, so that is an extra 10* 100K = 1 million AD. So as I said, even excluding RP, it is still a minimum of 8.5 million AD. and they were selling for 9 million yesterday at one stage.

    So people are taking massive losses for some reason to sell their Perfect Vorpals fast.....

    If I remember right, perfects were going for 6-7 million a month ago. So if they had bought them then, they're making 2 million.

    But if I had to guess it may be more people are selling their vorpals to get plaguefire for mod4, when things can proc off weapon enchant effects.
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  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Vorpals are not the best in slot for SW and people should be informed on this, end game pvp turns into a whole new beast and people do not stack mountains of crit in order to make this effective. Now if you have a strong team, then may be it would be viable (pre made team) but paying 20 million even 12 million for this enchant is not worth it.

    The only reason that I see buying this enchant for this amount is if you have AD to burn and you are super rich or you are just ignorant to how to make enchants (I can make 3-5 greaters for about 1 million AD). I may actually put up some enchants that will be worth having for PvE and PvP for mod 4, since the changes to all the classes now, but I can tell you Vorpals are not at the top of the food chain like they were before).
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  • dodgododgo Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 870 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    I've just remembered something... http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/6005153-the-next-chapter-in-season-of-dragons
    There might be a x2 refinement weekend soon. I doubt they will beat all the monster cards though so...probably just pre m4 panic.
    Also, I see no vorpal nerfs on preview. It's not the only enchantment going down in the price.

    has there been a 2 x rp weekend before? anyone got links?
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