PVP Matchmaking penalize good players

crimpatul · July 2014

Hi,

I have a Devoted Cleric. I managed to get to page 1 on leaderboard (low level).

After that, the system only group me with players that does not play the pvp game:

-They never start at middle
They dont fight at points
They dont kill / dont cap / dont assist
They begin the match AFK

The enemy team is all opposite. So I got a ton of ELO Rating and Leaderboard position, and in compensation, the system group me with the worst players.

This is the result.

Of course, I lost my page 1.

Fix please.

adamy2004 · July 2014

there have been many complaints about the ELO system, and its the best its probably going to get without drastically reducing queue times to find even teams, so stop complaining.

adernath · July 2014

adamy2004 wrote: »

there have been many complaints about the ELO system, and its the best its probably going to get without drastically reducing queue times to find even teams, so stop complaining.

I think he has the right to complain. The system is simply not optimal.

biibiisai · July 2014

I experience your pain. My DC was on page 27 last week and since then I lose lose and lose, non stop, until now I'm barely hanging in the first 100 pages. I got paired up with people who don't fight on nodes, all rush to cap uncontested nodes and leave me 1v3, can't survive two hits, or have horrible gs (like 6k). The other team usually get 3+ GWFs and HRs who all know to target me first.

You know the rest, even if you can tank 2-3 for a while, you can never cap, and there goes your scores. Also, since your teammates don't fight on the spot or drop like flies, they don't help much with capping either. So there goes the entire game...

crimpatul · July 2014

biibiisai wrote: »

I experience your pain. My DC was on page 27 last week and since then I lose lose and lose, non stop, until now I'm barely hanging in the first 100 pages. I got paired up with people who don't fight on nodes, all rush to cap uncontested nodes and leave me 1v3, can't survive two hits, or have horrible gs (like 6k). The other team usually get 3+ GWFs and HRs who all know to target me first.

You know the rest, even if you can tank 2-3 for a while, you can never cap, and there goes your scores. Also, since your teammates don't fight on the spot or drop like flies, they don't help much with capping either. So there goes the entire game...

This is exactly what you get when you are performing very well. You get teammed with very low Elo rating people and no matters what you do, you always loose, even if you are holding a node versus 3.

proneification · July 2014

The matchmaking system has a few big flaws:

- it will put together semipremades vs pugs. So me and a friend duo together, and some guildies duo as well. Both parties very high ELO. Instead of putting us against each other, the matchmaking puts us in the same party making up for a 4/5 premade, and then matches us against bad pugs.
- it is unable to offer quality pug games. System is just too dumb to understand important factors such as party composition. It doesn't take in consideration node holders in teams, so you might end up with 1 GF/2 CW/2 DC party vs 3 GWF+2 HR.

However, the biggest failure is not the system itself. I suspect the matchmaking would work way better, if only...

... there would be enough players in queue.

This game is very small. There aren't enough PvPers, and many that PvP are there for AD/daily. They have no idea whatsoever what they doing, and they do not care.

It is a very small game. There are simply not enough players to satisfy the needs of a good PvP game.

osterdrache · July 2014

It is a very small game. There are simply not enough players to satisfy the needs of a good PvP game.

Just put a lobby system into the game like every other multiplayer game does.
Remove AD rewards from pvp and let players play who ever they like.
Problem solved.
I would do pvp premades all day against other equal minded players. Without grinding through endless pug stomping matches or against the typical DISRESPECTing *cough cough* pvp troll comps.

dustinthecloud · July 2014

crimpatul wrote: »

Hi,

I have a Devoted Cleric. I managed to get to page 1 on leaderboard (low level).

After that, the system only group me with players that does not play the pvp game:
-They never start at middle

They dont fight at points

They dont kill / dont cap / dont assist

They begin the match AFK

The enemy team is all opposite. So I got a ton of ELO Rating and Leaderboard position, and in compensation, the system group me with the worst players.

This is the result.

Of course, I lost my page 1.

Fix please.

If u solo queue, things like this will happen very often, just have fun and play the game...(can't always win)

twilightwatchman · July 2014

osterdrache wrote: »

Remove AD rewards from pvp and let players play who ever they like.

Two problems with this idea:

1. A certain number of people will try PvP for the first time because of the AD reward, find they like it, and stay. I was one of those people in fact. Remove the AD reward and you remove a mechanism for introducing and retaining new PvP players.

2. Some people who only really PvP rely on the AD awards as a significant source of income.

adernath · July 2014

twilightwatchman wrote: »

Two problems with this idea:

1. A certain number of people will try PvP for the first time because of the AD reward, find they like it, and stay. I was one of those people in fact. Remove the AD reward and you remove a mechanism for introducing and retaining new PvP players.

2. Some people who only really PvP rely on the AD awards as a significant source of income.

Instead of removing the AD reward, one could simply introduce a 'report' option. When someone gets at least 3 reports (for example for staying afk) he get kicked with a leaver penalty and replaced.

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djarkaan · July 2014

Stop crying at least you got a match if you prefer queueing for 3 hours and not play at all, well why do you queue? If you waited for 1st page match up you would still be waiting for 1st page to login.

crimpatul · July 2014

djarkaan wrote: »

Stop crying at least you got a match if you prefer queueing for 3 hours and not play at all, well why do you
queue? If you waited for 1st page match up you would still be waiting for 1st page to login.

You can see in this thread that people prefer long queues with balanced matches http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?685261-PVP-More-balanced-vs-Fast-Join-PVP

3 hour. You are taking your argument to extreme, also you have ad hominem. :cool:

crazymikee · July 2014

I got to page 5 as a CW (fairly hard) now im hovering at like 15-20 because no matter what if I don't queue with a full party im going to get s**t players on my teams guaranteed. It's depressing

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crimpatul · July 2014

You clearly play premades all the time, and that is the reason of your position.

And again, you take your point to extreme, nobody said 100% ELO. Stop trolling taking all ideas to the extreme.

I prefer long queues and balanced matches. Like the 70% of this poll http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?685261-PVP-More-balanced-vs-Fast-Join-PVP.

You can read all the post of this thread, exposing the same problem. No need to necro man.

You are the minority that rolfstomp pugs with a 5 man premade. Its the only reason to prefer not balanced matches.

Who want a match with 1 good player and 4 with very low Elo?

:rolleyes: Maybe the premade.

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crimpatul · July 2014

Lol you are against balanced matches over short queues, but you quit from pvp because you got rolfstomped.

:rolleyes:

Stop crying about pvp community attitude. :cool:

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crimpatul · July 2014

You dont pvp but you make your point about pvp elo tunning. Thank god there are nice ppl there (maybe more bussy than you).

I laugh when I want to. Are you the laughable ppl privilege owner? Do you expend permission to laugh?

You started to post this thread with ad hominem. What do you expect from that? Be more polite and people maybe would be nice with you. Stop crying :cool: and stop trolling, I want this thread clean and not closed.

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crimpatul · July 2014

You report without being polite and with more ad-hominems. I dont want to be usefull to you. What make you think that? Please go away and never come back. :cool: Report all that you want that does not share your point of view.

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crimpatul · July 2014

Lulz :cool: You order to stop crying and now report for not being polite. :cool: lulz

crimpatul · July 2014

I didnt get a ban or a warning for your reports. Maybe you are wrong.

twilightwatchman · July 2014

crimpatul wrote: »

I didnt get a ban or a warning for your reports. Maybe you are wrong.

Dude, you seriously need to grow up. This thread is embarrassing for you.

reagenlionel1 · July 2014

twilightwatchman wrote: »

Dude, you seriously need to grow up. This thread is embarrassing for you.

^ this right here.

relativity · July 2014

This is what you risk getting, when you play the same game 8-years old kid can play.

twilightwatchman · July 2014

Back on topic...

Regardless of what anyone might have said in that poll, I can clearly remember the rivers of QQ we had on here when ELO was first launched and the wait for matches was in the 10-20 minute range. I honestly don't think the player base is ready for waits of up to 30 minutes for Domination PvP - they are too used to near-instant queue pings at peak times and maybe 5 minutes at slower times.

dustinthecloud · July 2014

crimpatul wrote: »

You dont pvp but you make your point about pvp elo tunning. Thank god there are nice ppl there (maybe more bussy than you).

I laugh when I want to. Are you the laughable ppl privilege owner? Do you expend permission to laugh?

You started to post this thread with ad hominem. What do you expect from that? Be more polite and people maybe would be nice with you. Stop crying :cool: and stop trolling, I want this thread clean and not closed.

Maybe magenubbie and me have diferent opinions, but there....

Men you're the one that is *crying* a lot of time on this forum, making treads about how bad the matchmaking system is...

Matchmaking is bad for EVERYONE, but we can live with it, and not come to the forum to cry everytime we lose because of bad team compositions(lowgs, noideaofpvp, etc), you can't expect to win always, if u want to always win get 5 men trollcomp, and even with that comp u may lose, since there are few good pvpers outhere that can deal with them(or maybe u just encounter another troll comp better geared thant urs...)

gerbilhurdler · July 2014

magenubbie wrote: »

Ok. That's enough. Consider yourself reported for trolling. If you can't have a decent conversation, I have no further use for you.

One more thread where Magenubbie comes in and calls people stupid , then cries for getting called on trolling thread.
You already said you completely quit PVP earlier in thread. Why not quit PVP thread then?

Only one person I see worthy of reporting , and that is MAgenubbie for saying things like " Don't pretend you know me, simply because I don't agree with your point of view. It's disrespecting, based on arrogant and unfounded assumptions and generally makes you look like an idiot. "...

YOU are the one talking trash because people disagree with you .
How many threads are you going to walk in and HAMSTER on before the mods clean up your confrontational comments and boot you from this forum so we can stop listening to you first attack, then cry, for getting called on your personal attacks.

PVP Matchmaking penalize good players

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