doriangreighMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 707Arc User
edited July 2014
I would say pretty accurate too, although there are anomolies. I think I am one of them as I play a GWF, CW (main 1st toon), DC, GF and HR. I don't really care for the HR so it kinda just farms and sits by the way side not really doing much. I like my GF but rather painful to play solo in IWD. But as you pointed out it seems I end up being the one to revive people the most on my GF, I do it a lot on my CW but typically will have to wait til I have my daily up to pop oppressive force. My DC I will usually go on any group that asks me too, not sure i'd say im hipsterish though. I did have one group that pulled me along apologize to me for running a red circle right into me lol I didn't think much of it personally but I guess some DC out there are put off by that because this group apologized in a manner that implied that I might leave group.
My CW, I confess I do tend to see where I stand with others as far as topping the damage chart, but frankly I don't care, as long as mobs die quickly I don't care if i'm #1 or #3, total damage dealt is NOT indicative of being helpful to the group. I don't charge ahead (although with this Black Ice gear i've been rather ballsy) to get more damage in. I'm a team player and whatever helps the group more I do and that usually is NOT aggroing additional mobs unless we all want to see how much craziness we can pull.
My GWF, I have to say I often find myself in unstoppable and having to pick someone up off the floor pretty much losing any benefit from it. But over all I dont' think i'm all that arrogant while playing, usually charging head long into battle (as melee should) although I do tend to bite off more than I can chew.
I am morally and ethically opposed to TR, too many horrible PVP matches with them (HR getting to where they replace TR in hatred, I actually rather have a TR perma to fight against than the HR now). I will however be playing a warlock when they come out, so my AD farmer is about to get deleted permanently lol.
Doesn't matter what class I'm playing, I generally don't say anything at all in pugs. The most from me is an acknowledgement if someone shares some kind of plan/strategy.
Whether I'm DPS/Tank/Healer, I'll likely move ahead to edge the team to progress, just so as to end things faster.
My typical pug behavior is probably more common than any listed stereotypes so far.
The one thing I would add is that sometimes GFs aren't so nice. Sometimes they can act like bitter, ugly step-sisters to their more-dominant brothers. Its not our fault GFs !
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The one thing I would add is that sometimes GFs aren't so nice. Sometimes they can act like bitter, ugly step-sisters to their more-dominant brothers. Its not our fault GFs !
I totally agree!
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"Most arrogant, self indulging, elitist pieces of ___________ I've seen since the Inception of Death Knights in WOTLK running around as Overlords!, I've not spoken to a GWF I like, every one of them act like they're amazingly skilled!"
I'd guess that the influence is two-way. Sure, people might start to act somewhat like their "class" as they invest time and effort into leveling a char. At the same time, though, somebody who mains a HR has to like the HR class - and this could very well be because when it came time to pick a class, they picked a class that suited their personality.
Either way, though, hilarious. And accurate (with exceptions in every class, of course).
I also think its a two way street of sorts, too. What a class has to deal with influences their attitude too. I try to play nice with all my characters, but I find these situations often enough I get annoyed...
CW: GFs, GWFs that wont tank or rush too far ahead and draw too much agro for even a few CWs to control before they get killed. Also, the "non tanking/non agro gaining" GWFs/GFs I mentioned in an earlier post.
GWF: People throwing a fit because theyre OP now, so I constantly end up defending a class that wasn't as HAMSTER in the past, just cuz they have been put in this position.
HR: Because they were supposed to be an experienced class, the majority of people hopping on them because of their "fotm" status, creating a ton of "bad" HRs that end up giving a bad impression of even halfway decent HRs.
TR: The opposite of GWF. Nerfed to ground.
DC: Same as CW. Supporting and helping the party if left unchecked, rushing/lack of tanking leads to fit throwing because the DC got overrun and cant heal/buff/debuff... which in turn leads to party getting overrun.
GF: Rushers running ahead while the GF plods along, not to mention the subpar(even if conqueror) damage leads to, "why do we need him, we have GWFs/CWs" mentalities. Ran across DCs that don't heal the tank often enough, that their agro gaining causes them to go down fast anyway... then they QQ "why didn't tank help me? I only didn't heal them at all. They can take 20 or more epic mobs attacking on all sides of them alone for 30 minutes".
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
WOW i was going to read this expecting to totally disagree with you lol but you are 100% right about every one. Sometimes you meet the odd player but a huge percentage of the players acts like you posted.
Im a gf and yeah i guess im pretty nice, i dont even attack players in icewind if they are much weaker than me XD i would just feel bad if i did.
ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
edited July 2014
I must live in another world cause I don't notice any of this.
What I do notice are people getting more and more unpleasant the better geared they are. GWFs, perma stealths, and overgeared pathfinders acting like they're more skilled than the people half their gear score.
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llewelyn89Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 129Arc User
edited July 2014
Do other GFs really do that much raising in PVE? In PUGs I mostly cause a perma death as I bring mobs with me and almost without fail they pot as soon as on their feet which gets them smacked down. I now just do my best to grab the mob around the downed party member, move away & leave it to somebody else to pick them up. That probably doesn't come across as 'nice' - but it is practical.
Fairly acurate. The reason I tend to pick people up with my GF is that it is so easy. You can menace or FLS to ignore or prone everything and just stand them up. I do the same with unstoppable on my GWF but it is my least favorite toon so likely I do not take on the same mentality. I rarely res anyone with my HR because if there is any CC I will not finish the res cycle . I'll add one to the CW. In PVE they try to quarterback all the fights. Had that a while back in SP where the unusually talkative HR was trying to tell everyone else what to do on the final boss. Me, '"your main is a CW isn't it?" Them, ".....yes."
So if I have one of each I must be all rolled into one?
I'm an always staight to the point nice guy that revives people and then trash talks them(but only in pvp, all other times I'm quiet), and I think I'm an unstoppable know-it-all.
...
Sound about right.
Brìgh gach cluiche gu dheireadh. Ó Treasigh GF Ó Murchadh GWF Ó Kermichil CW Ó Pádruig TR Ó Dànaidh HR Ó Fionnlagh DC Ó Amhlaidh SW Ó Naomhin OP BLACK LOTUS
I'm a HR/TR. I don't talk a lot on either of them, I haven't yet mastered the art of typing/fighting at the same time, which others seem to be able to do. I stop to type "hello" and others are already three mob groups ahead.
Apparently not doing PVP is a good thing also, I've never seen any trash talking from anyone.
@xplmao2 Awesome post! There's quite a bit of truth in that!
Funny thing is my main is DC but when I play my CW or my PVE Rogue, I tend to look at things VERY differently. E.g. I would keep looking at score for dps every run if on cw, if on dc I would tell people which mob to go after first and tend to "lead" the team where to go by dropping the blue circle down where I want them to be, on rogue I just follow along and pick the meanest mob and listen to directions given by DC.
IMO that's not as much as player behavior but really the designed way of playing a class reflecting on the player, I play all classes and I can do some example:
CW: CWs usually can handle large groups of adds, going front and exploding them to bits is a very obvious thing to do because you speed the run a lot when you have two competent cw doing it.
GF: GFs have very high defense and very high hp pools, and their powers worth using take longer to come out of cooldown. so yeah after they atack someone with all their powers the next best thing would be reviving a player since they are on cooldown and can take some hits while doing it.
GWF/TR know they are immune to most damage so they are bound to be ******s in pvp.
HR rangers usually are quiet, but there are also a lot of them on the same TR/GWF group of trash talkers, specially now that they are even more broken than before.
DC is a leader class and some people tend to lead, a good DC will put the astral shield on the best spot to fight and proceed with debuffs/buffs so it they ask you to stay on the **** circle they are doing their jobs. if your dc just randomly put astral shields and proceed to healing word full hp players and do stupid attacks they are probably bad/or even a bot.
Do other GFs really do that much raising in PVE? In PUGs I mostly cause a perma death as I bring mobs with me and almost without fail they pot as soon as on their feet which gets them smacked down. I now just do my best to grab the mob around the downed party member, move away & leave it to somebody else to pick them up. That probably doesn't come across as 'nice' - but it is practical.
PVE tank should never be put in charge of reviving EVER, of course if you arent being followed by 333333 adds you CAN do it. the op talking about pvp GF since they have time and defense to handle the reviving.
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pieloniousMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 33
edited July 2014
Yessss you are almost spot-on! I definitely agree and see it! Even the description of DC's. I am definitely DC, through and through, and I'm quite aware I give off a know-it-all attitude :X Although to try and make up for it, I'll be the first to admit when I'm mistaken about something, or not sure, but when I'm convinced I know something, I definitely adopt that know-it-all attitude, even when trying to help out.
I'd have to disagree on the GF one though. In my experience, since Beta, GF's are either total easy-going sweethearts and are generally helpful and like giant white knights, or they're some of the most vile, self-centered bags of chopped dicks you'll run into. However, I do notice that the nice ones are the ones who have some kind of concept on how to effectively play the class they've chosen, and the mean ones typically are horrendous and think they're supposed to be dealing damage and not tanking at all.
I kind of see CW's with a mentality of "senpai notice me!" When they know what they're doing and they're the kind of "OP" CW, it's really awesome when they compliment you, because you know they don't compliment people very often - not because they're mean, but just because they know what they're on about and don't like wasting time on incompetent players. I remember it really cheered me up when I was in a party with 3 really good CW's in the Anniversary Skirmish event and at the end, they all thanked me for doing a great job at healing and it was like senpai noticed me and very encouraging when I was having a **** day.
Funnily enough, I agree with the original poster's descriptions (for the most part. There are always exceptions.)
I play one of every class, and with each class comes a certain attitude when I play it. Not that "attitude," but a whole mindset that comes with fulfilling a role.
As a CW: It's my job to keep as much of the mob(s) incapacitated as much as I can, for as long as I can. Until the Module 4 changes take place, it's also expected that I will do - at least - a respectable amount of damage. Fortunately, I constructed my wizard to be control-focused, so the other side of the Mod 4 changes coin suits me just fine.
As a GF: I am the damage-eater. It's my business to keep everything in hate-mode toward me, so that the DPSers and controllers can do what they need to do. Yell at all the things, cycle through my aggro-maintaining abilities (also specced for this purpose,) so the CW has some breathing room between control rotations, and things aren't chewing on the cleric and other squishies.
As a GWF: Run in and swipe-crash-bang-EATITMONSTERS! It's all fun. Zoom in, start chewing things up, and zip around and annoy anything that's out of the GF's aggro range (or anything that's fallen loose if the mob's just freakin' huge) as an off-tank. It's all fun and mild lunacy as a GWF... and a mood-booster, I swear. Something about it makes you want to joke, to pepper chat with the occasional Caboose-esque (Red Vs. Blue fans know what I mean) goofiness just to share the good feeling.
As an HR: I'm all focus-business. There are enough bad HRs out there (courtesy of it being the newest and shiniest,) so I have a lot to prove. I'm going to get kicked any second now, unless I'm doing as much damage as possible without drawing attention to myself. Is that a Singularity? Time to lay down Rain of Arrows... right here. Gotta time it just right. Can't have it too far over. Is that GF/GWF using Frontline Surge? Better be prepared to account for his likely doing that, predict the time, so my placement isn't wrong. Gotta be careful with the at-wills, too. Can't grab anything further than necessary, or the whole next mob will be on me, and the team will kick me for it. And if I'm constantly switching between melee and ranged stances and powers? Even more focus. What equates to six different encounter powers, and all must be timed by what everyone else is doing, accounting for AoEs, can't use this or that because it'll interrupt what someone else is doing and they'll kick me. Can't talk, can't draw attention to myself or they'll kick me. Maybe if I pass on all the loot, they'll forget I'm here and maybe... just maybe... I'll actually get to open the chest without them kicking me.
As a TR: Stealth out, focus on the bigger things in the room (unless the group needs a little extra help with mob-handling and I need to run Smoke Bomb and such,) occasionally tumble over and put some quick death on one or two little things bothering the cleric or wizard. Make those boss fights as short as possible. The quicker they die, the faster we can get our goods and maybe do this again!
As a DC: My team are my ducklings. They're my responsibility. Lessee, they're fighting mostly over here, so there's a good spot for Astral Shield. Ah, the wizards could use a little boost; time to Hallowed Ground (feated with Moontouched, naturally.) Fling a Word or two where someone's taking a rough beating. Oh, and debuff, of course. Or even throw a divine mode Forgemaster's Flame on the boss between shields, for stop-gap healing. Gotta keep a constant eye on everyone's bars. If they fall, it's MY fault. Heal, heal, HAMSTER, that one took a bad hit and I'm out of rotation... Soothing Light! They are mine, and I must keep 'em safe.
Okay, sounds a little overboard, but that's how I feel while playing each class. However, it does help me see what the observers who specialize only in one or two classes are seeing the rest of 'em.
I have the ability to heal you. A shield to protect you. Blades to slay your foes. Magic! So I'm a tiefling, so what? We have a common enemy, and a common goal. Here, you can put ornaments on my horns if it'll put you at ease.
In PVE I'm so chatty and sometimes talk way too much XD. In PVP I trash talk people but only when they provoke me. They don't seem to understand that we TR's got forced/pushed into perma stealth because our damage is toothpick-tier now.
I've long been of the personal opinion that GWFs and TRs plow the depths of human decency in PVP. Some of the worst behaving individuals I have met in this game have been GWFs or TRs in PVP.
Also, a person that is high on him/herself does not roll a support class, hence you rarely find a DC or GF behaving like a tosser.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
I've long been of the personal opinion that GWFs and TRs plow the depths of human decency in PVP. Some of the worst behaving individuals I have met in this game have been GWFs or TRs in PVP.
Also, a person that is high on him/herself does not roll a support class, hence you rarely find a DC or GF behaving like a tosser.
You and I both!
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Problem is, although the OP was generally spot on, ive seen every attitude by this time in the game on every character. I consider his general judgements pretty good, just the(not so rare) abnormality is true too.
Ive seen CWs(btw, a SUPPORT CLASS!) bossy as heck, wanting to be at the top of everything.
Ive seen GWFs who abuse Roar long before it was a thing, DCs Divinity mode Sunbursting enemies out of the way, CWs who run Ice Storm(bleh), GFs who run almost nothing but Bull's Charge and Frontline Surge(don't mind FLS, but constant combo of that and Bull's Charge is annoying as heck).
Also, I STILL find GFs that DO NOT MARK. that astounds me... Marking an opponent lowers their DR, and ive seen GFs that don't do that... AT ALL! No enforced threat, no tab mark, even seen ones that don't use threatening rush(I know if they went sm, they couldn't threat rush, but they still have other 2 means!).
Ran across a 13k CW while gearing up my TR character in gg the other day, we were doing gg. She didn't use a single cc ability, all single target, and kept getting downed... when she started bossing around the party, we politely told her to try using some cc, to which she scoffed and said she didn't need to do what we asked her to... So we stayed on the boss, and she kept going down . Im not joking when I said she didn't use 1 daily at all through the harsh 2 runs we ended up doing with her... NOT ONE DAILY?!
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
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My CW, I confess I do tend to see where I stand with others as far as topping the damage chart, but frankly I don't care, as long as mobs die quickly I don't care if i'm #1 or #3, total damage dealt is NOT indicative of being helpful to the group. I don't charge ahead (although with this Black Ice gear i've been rather ballsy) to get more damage in. I'm a team player and whatever helps the group more I do and that usually is NOT aggroing additional mobs unless we all want to see how much craziness we can pull.
My GWF, I have to say I often find myself in unstoppable and having to pick someone up off the floor pretty much losing any benefit from it. But over all I dont' think i'm all that arrogant while playing, usually charging head long into battle (as melee should) although I do tend to bite off more than I can chew.
I am morally and ethically opposed to TR, too many horrible PVP matches with them (HR getting to where they replace TR in hatred, I actually rather have a TR perma to fight against than the HR now). I will however be playing a warlock when they come out, so my AD farmer is about to get deleted permanently lol.
Whether I'm DPS/Tank/Healer, I'll likely move ahead to edge the team to progress, just so as to end things faster.
My typical pug behavior is probably more common than any listed stereotypes so far.
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The one thing I would add is that sometimes GFs aren't so nice. Sometimes they can act like bitter, ugly step-sisters to their more-dominant brothers. Its not our fault GFs !
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I totally agree!
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
I wish this didn't work so well.
Hmmm, I thought I was nice when we meet.
Either way, though, hilarious. And accurate (with exceptions in every class, of course).
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CW: GFs, GWFs that wont tank or rush too far ahead and draw too much agro for even a few CWs to control before they get killed. Also, the "non tanking/non agro gaining" GWFs/GFs I mentioned in an earlier post.
GWF: People throwing a fit because theyre OP now, so I constantly end up defending a class that wasn't as HAMSTER in the past, just cuz they have been put in this position.
HR: Because they were supposed to be an experienced class, the majority of people hopping on them because of their "fotm" status, creating a ton of "bad" HRs that end up giving a bad impression of even halfway decent HRs.
TR: The opposite of GWF. Nerfed to ground.
DC: Same as CW. Supporting and helping the party if left unchecked, rushing/lack of tanking leads to fit throwing because the DC got overrun and cant heal/buff/debuff... which in turn leads to party getting overrun.
GF: Rushers running ahead while the GF plods along, not to mention the subpar(even if conqueror) damage leads to, "why do we need him, we have GWFs/CWs" mentalities. Ran across DCs that don't heal the tank often enough, that their agro gaining causes them to go down fast anyway... then they QQ "why didn't tank help me? I only didn't heal them at all. They can take 20 or more epic mobs attacking on all sides of them alone for 30 minutes".
Im a gf and yeah i guess im pretty nice, i dont even attack players in icewind if they are much weaker than me XD i would just feel bad if i did.
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What I do notice are people getting more and more unpleasant the better geared they are. GWFs, perma stealths, and overgeared pathfinders acting like they're more skilled than the people half their gear score.
What Class Are You?
I'm an always staight to the point nice guy that revives people and then trash talks them(but only in pvp, all other times I'm quiet), and I think I'm an unstoppable know-it-all.
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Sound about right.
Ó Treasigh GF
Ó Murchadh GWF
Ó Kermichil CW
Ó Pádruig TR
Ó Dànaidh HR
Ó Fionnlagh DC
Ó Amhlaidh SW
Ó Naomhin OP
BLACK LOTUS
Apparently not doing PVP is a good thing also, I've never seen any trash talking from anyone.
Funny thing is my main is DC but when I play my CW or my PVE Rogue, I tend to look at things VERY differently. E.g. I would keep looking at score for dps every run if on cw, if on dc I would tell people which mob to go after first and tend to "lead" the team where to go by dropping the blue circle down where I want them to be, on rogue I just follow along and pick the meanest mob and listen to directions given by DC.
CW: CWs usually can handle large groups of adds, going front and exploding them to bits is a very obvious thing to do because you speed the run a lot when you have two competent cw doing it.
GF: GFs have very high defense and very high hp pools, and their powers worth using take longer to come out of cooldown. so yeah after they atack someone with all their powers the next best thing would be reviving a player since they are on cooldown and can take some hits while doing it.
GWF/TR know they are immune to most damage so they are bound to be ******s in pvp.
HR rangers usually are quiet, but there are also a lot of them on the same TR/GWF group of trash talkers, specially now that they are even more broken than before.
DC is a leader class and some people tend to lead, a good DC will put the astral shield on the best spot to fight and proceed with debuffs/buffs so it they ask you to stay on the **** circle they are doing their jobs. if your dc just randomly put astral shields and proceed to healing word full hp players and do stupid attacks they are probably bad/or even a bot.
PVE tank should never be put in charge of reviving EVER, of course if you arent being followed by 333333 adds you CAN do it. the op talking about pvp GF since they have time and defense to handle the reviving.
I'd have to disagree on the GF one though. In my experience, since Beta, GF's are either total easy-going sweethearts and are generally helpful and like giant white knights, or they're some of the most vile, self-centered bags of chopped dicks you'll run into. However, I do notice that the nice ones are the ones who have some kind of concept on how to effectively play the class they've chosen, and the mean ones typically are horrendous and think they're supposed to be dealing damage and not tanking at all.
I kind of see CW's with a mentality of "senpai notice me!" When they know what they're doing and they're the kind of "OP" CW, it's really awesome when they compliment you, because you know they don't compliment people very often - not because they're mean, but just because they know what they're on about and don't like wasting time on incompetent players. I remember it really cheered me up when I was in a party with 3 really good CW's in the Anniversary Skirmish event and at the end, they all thanked me for doing a great job at healing and it was like senpai noticed me and very encouraging when I was having a **** day.
I play one of every class, and with each class comes a certain attitude when I play it. Not that "attitude," but a whole mindset that comes with fulfilling a role.
As a CW: It's my job to keep as much of the mob(s) incapacitated as much as I can, for as long as I can. Until the Module 4 changes take place, it's also expected that I will do - at least - a respectable amount of damage. Fortunately, I constructed my wizard to be control-focused, so the other side of the Mod 4 changes coin suits me just fine.
As a GF: I am the damage-eater. It's my business to keep everything in hate-mode toward me, so that the DPSers and controllers can do what they need to do. Yell at all the things, cycle through my aggro-maintaining abilities (also specced for this purpose,) so the CW has some breathing room between control rotations, and things aren't chewing on the cleric and other squishies.
As a GWF: Run in and swipe-crash-bang-EATITMONSTERS! It's all fun. Zoom in, start chewing things up, and zip around and annoy anything that's out of the GF's aggro range (or anything that's fallen loose if the mob's just freakin' huge) as an off-tank. It's all fun and mild lunacy as a GWF... and a mood-booster, I swear. Something about it makes you want to joke, to pepper chat with the occasional Caboose-esque (Red Vs. Blue fans know what I mean) goofiness just to share the good feeling.
As an HR: I'm all focus-business. There are enough bad HRs out there (courtesy of it being the newest and shiniest,) so I have a lot to prove. I'm going to get kicked any second now, unless I'm doing as much damage as possible without drawing attention to myself. Is that a Singularity? Time to lay down Rain of Arrows... right here. Gotta time it just right. Can't have it too far over. Is that GF/GWF using Frontline Surge? Better be prepared to account for his likely doing that, predict the time, so my placement isn't wrong. Gotta be careful with the at-wills, too. Can't grab anything further than necessary, or the whole next mob will be on me, and the team will kick me for it. And if I'm constantly switching between melee and ranged stances and powers? Even more focus. What equates to six different encounter powers, and all must be timed by what everyone else is doing, accounting for AoEs, can't use this or that because it'll interrupt what someone else is doing and they'll kick me. Can't talk, can't draw attention to myself or they'll kick me. Maybe if I pass on all the loot, they'll forget I'm here and maybe... just maybe... I'll actually get to open the chest without them kicking me.
As a TR: Stealth out, focus on the bigger things in the room (unless the group needs a little extra help with mob-handling and I need to run Smoke Bomb and such,) occasionally tumble over and put some quick death on one or two little things bothering the cleric or wizard. Make those boss fights as short as possible. The quicker they die, the faster we can get our goods and maybe do this again!
As a DC: My team are my ducklings. They're my responsibility. Lessee, they're fighting mostly over here, so there's a good spot for Astral Shield. Ah, the wizards could use a little boost; time to Hallowed Ground (feated with Moontouched, naturally.) Fling a Word or two where someone's taking a rough beating. Oh, and debuff, of course. Or even throw a divine mode Forgemaster's Flame on the boss between shields, for stop-gap healing. Gotta keep a constant eye on everyone's bars. If they fall, it's MY fault. Heal, heal, HAMSTER, that one took a bad hit and I'm out of rotation... Soothing Light! They are mine, and I must keep 'em safe.
Okay, sounds a little overboard, but that's how I feel while playing each class. However, it does help me see what the observers who specialize only in one or two classes are seeing the rest of 'em.
In PVE I'm so chatty and sometimes talk way too much XD. In PVP I trash talk people but only when they provoke me. They don't seem to understand that we TR's got forced/pushed into perma stealth because our damage is toothpick-tier now.
Also, a person that is high on him/herself does not roll a support class, hence you rarely find a DC or GF behaving like a tosser.
You and I both!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Ive seen CWs(btw, a SUPPORT CLASS!) bossy as heck, wanting to be at the top of everything.
Ive seen GWFs who abuse Roar long before it was a thing, DCs Divinity mode Sunbursting enemies out of the way, CWs who run Ice Storm(bleh), GFs who run almost nothing but Bull's Charge and Frontline Surge(don't mind FLS, but constant combo of that and Bull's Charge is annoying as heck).
Also, I STILL find GFs that DO NOT MARK. that astounds me... Marking an opponent lowers their DR, and ive seen GFs that don't do that... AT ALL! No enforced threat, no tab mark, even seen ones that don't use threatening rush(I know if they went sm, they couldn't threat rush, but they still have other 2 means!).
Ran across a 13k CW while gearing up my TR character in gg the other day, we were doing gg. She didn't use a single cc ability, all single target, and kept getting downed... when she started bossing around the party, we politely told her to try using some cc, to which she scoffed and said she didn't need to do what we asked her to... So we stayed on the boss, and she kept going down