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iaccidentally47iaccidentally47 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2014 in PvE Discussion
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So, I decided to solo Dread Vault today, which is a level 60 dungeon (epics cant be entered solo)
This isn't showing off, nor is it stating anything about classes or balance or anything.
I simply want to say that I hope we see harder content in mod 4, because 1 year into the game, we are outgearing the content we have. Yes, there still needs to be content accessible to newer and lower geared players, but what exactly are the older and better geared players supposed to do? Lots of us outgeared everything in IWD from day 1.

So really, it was just a fun thing to show how far we have come and maybe we can hope for more challenge in mod 4.

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  • iamannoyingdeviliamannoyingdevil Member Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You soloed the basic Dread vault , try the epic version ? basic dread vault is intended for new level 60's , epic dread vault is much more difficult and I get the feeling that you wouldn't be able to solo it .
  • iaccidentally47iaccidentally47 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You soloed the basic Dread vault , try the epic version ? basic dread vault is intended for new level 60's , epic dread vault is much more difficult and I get the feeling that you wouldn't be able to solo it .
    As I stated, I cannot enter EDV solo. However, I have soloed all the epic T1 dungeons as well as PK and Karru. I don't know if EDV would be doable solo, but I have done most of the last boss fight as the only one alive and beaten it, so it could probably be done. Just would take forever.

    Also, Dread Vault is offered as the Daily Dungeon for all level 60 chars, so it could be said that it is intended for all level 60's.
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  • stah01stah01 Member Posts: 540 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You soloed the basic Dread vault , try the epic version ? basic dread vault is intended for new level 60's , epic dread vault is much more difficult and I get the feeling that you wouldn't be able to solo it .

    I like how you almost read nothing of what was written and just began trolling.

    +1 - I miss dungeons and there isnt a real challenge other than them throwing more mobs at you.
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  • iamannoyingdeviliamannoyingdevil Member Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    stah01 wrote: »
    I like how you almost read nothing of what was written and just began trolling.

    +1 - I miss dungeons and there isnt a real challenge other than them throwing more mobs at you.

    Who's trolling? the guy said he could solo the basic dread vault and complained that basic T1 dungeons offer no challenge , big whoopie , I pointed out that epic dread vault was much more of a challenge , solo epic dread vault , CN , MC and VT then complain that you have no challenging content ,or to put another way why would the developers go out of their way to concentrate on creating content for the top 5% of overgeared players when they have 95% of regular players to cater to , especially when there is lots of challenging content that already exists . On top of that on the 14th of August GWF is being nerfed considerably as well as other classes , see if it is possible to solo dread vault after that before complaining , using a overgeared unbalanced OP class as a standard for the rest of the playerbase is kind of unrealistic.
  • kolevrakolevra Member Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    why would the developers go out of their way to concentrate on creating content for the top 5% of overgeared players when they have 95% of regular players to cater to , especially when there is lots of challenging content that already exists .

    These numbers are way off. Thats why.

    For the average player, there is barely any challenging content.
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  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I think an Arena type dungeon (like the arena foundries / roman Colosseum gladiator fights ) can help with that. Endless waves of random encounters with rising difficulty until the whole party wipes / cannot proceed. With perhaps a rising chance of some rewards (e.g. survived 20 rounds have a chance for loot A, survived 40 rounds, have a better chance for loot A and small chance for loot B - can be marks, enchants, glory, seals, and not important what) And to add to that some sort of high score / leader board with the top parties can make it competitive and something to do for PvE players.

    Also a mechanic of dropping platforms / rising lava / spikes from the floor & traps can easily incorporated into such setting.
  • doriangreighdoriangreigh Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 707 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Who's trolling? the guy said he could solo the basic dread vault and complained that basic T1 dungeons offer no challenge , big whoopie , I pointed out that epic dread vault was much more of a challenge , solo epic dread vault , CN , MC and VT then complain that you have no challenging content ,or to put another way why would the developers go out of their way to concentrate on creating content for the top 5% of overgeared players when they have 95% of regular players to cater to , especially when there is lots of challenging content that already exists . On top of that on the 14th of August GWF is being nerfed considerably as well as other classes , see if it is possible to solo dread vault after that before complaining , using a overgeared unbalanced OP class as a standard for the rest of the playerbase is kind of unrealistic.

    Anyone that says low level content is not a challenge because they are now over geared I agree should probably make that boast after running said dungeons in blue gear or green gear and nothing higher than a rank 6 enchant.

    Not saying that running content solo with a GWF isn't fun, but I wouldn't go saying that content in the game is too easy.

    I also suggest people that feel the game is too try running with total pugs who have never been in a guild that raises the difficulty immensely lol.
  • adventuregoat1adventuregoat1 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Who's trolling? the guy said he could solo the basic dread vault and complained that basic T1 dungeons offer no challenge , big whoopie , I pointed out that epic dread vault was much more of a challenge , solo epic dread vault , CN , MC and VT then complain that you have no challenging content ,or to put another way why would the developers go out of their way to concentrate on creating content for the top 5% of overgeared players when they have 95% of regular players to cater to , especially when there is lots of challenging content that already exists . On top of that on the 14th of August GWF is being nerfed considerably as well as other classes , see if it is possible to solo dread vault after that before complaining , using a overgeared unbalanced OP class as a standard for the rest of the playerbase is kind of unrealistic.
    The whole point of post is that SOME people are over geared for what the content of the game is.
    I only heard someone pointing out that they have completed a dungeon meant for 5. The only complaining i hear is from you.

    If it is possible to aquire gear that gets you a 20k(or w/e) gear score there should be playable content for that level of gear.
    That is how all games work, so go sell crazy elsewhere mister.
    lol why would the devs go out of their way to make content for the top 5% of players?
    Gee IDK, maybe because they already spent the time programming the game to include the gear that makes them so overpowered...so why not program some content?
  • lionmaruu0lionmaruu0 Member Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    with my CW I finished dread vault with just another CW last YEAR both cw had not more than 11k gs... so I can see a overgeared gwf being able to do it solo pretty easily
  • lionmaruu0lionmaruu0 Member Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    you are right, all people boasting how awesome they are cant really understand the true population of the game and how hard is to finish even the simplest of dungeons with such group. That said, if only one of the players is overgeared the challenge drops significantly, even on mc, not so much on CN and VT but still doable.
  • unholydragonkingunholydragonking Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    *Views full image, zooms in on damage chart* Well if you feel like spending 3 hours and 42 minutes in a dungeon wasting god only knows how many pots, then that's your business not mine~ Congrats... I guess...?
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The only thing wrong is that you ran Dread Vault at all. Gah. Why would you run Dread Vault, it's by far the worst DD in the whole game. I can count on one hand the number of times I've done that DD and I've hated it every time (yes, that means I never complete the daily dungeon quest).

    Anyway, having ranted about how terrible I felt Dread Vault is (did I mention, DV is awful?) -- yes. I agree with you that many are overpowered against the typical PvE content. I've solo'd every Normal DD (except DV because... why would I do that to myself???) and Epic CT on purpose and SP on accident. And I'm only a paltry 15K CW with no enchants higher than r7 (I know.. *gasp* right?)

    That said, I think IWD was a step in the right direction. It is a significantly harder area than DR or Shar was. My alts that have just over 10K struggle there. So a *typical* player would find that area very challenging. The thing is, if you're a 17K monster (any class really), you won't find much challenge in the PvE area, and likely you never will because you're on the far right of the player-base capability curve. Most active lvl 60 players are probably in that 10-12K range, and you can't expect Cryptic to devote significant resources to building out ulta-hard content for what probably amounts to under 10% of there player base, it's just not a good use of resources on their part. The 90-10 rule, it's called. Do PvP with people your own size - that will challenge you.
  • grissilgrissil Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I soloed epic dv boss fight while my team hung out at the fire because they had blue gear. Did it with my gwf with a gpf and lesser soul. Think I'm wearing scrapper t1.

    It is doable you just need a party to get you there to solo the boss.
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  • hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,462 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    DV was the last of the ones I needed to solo and I finally managed it a few days ago (it took a few hours, of course). Luckily it eventually gave me Hrimnir for the second miniboss; when I got a pit fiend the adds were just too much.

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  • iaccidentally47iaccidentally47 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    *Views full image, zooms in on damage chart* Well if you feel like spending 3 hours and 42 minutes in a dungeon wasting god only knows how many pots, then that's your business not mine~ Congrats... I guess...?

    Timer is broken, it took me about 40 minutes, most of which I was also chatting during. I used 0 potions, and didn't even use buffs outside of pocket pet and tymora's coin. Probably could have been done in about 30 if I had been really trying to speedrun it.

    Everyone else: if you go back and actually read what I wrote, maybe you would understand my point. In one year the gear I am able to get has exceeded the content. CN can currently be done with 2-3 people, MC and VT the same (can't be soloed because of mechanics, when val grabs you, you will die). I'm not bragging, and I'm not trying to start some big argument. I'm just expressing that I would like to see content that matches the gear level we CAN get. Also, I have ran epic t1's with no gear at all (weapon/offhand only), and I have pugged. My point is that I shouldn't be having to create challenge for myself by handicapping myself, the game should be providing challenges for players at ALL levels.
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  • orangefireeorangefiree Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,148 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    That is pretty impressive. Congrats!
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  • calvin1tagcalvin1tag Member Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I agree 100% for well geared players the entire T2 series is a cake walk now. I really hope they make T3 level dungeons out of all the existing dungeons that require 14 or 15k Minimum GS (or even higher when we get to the final 2-3 like VT, MC and CN)
  • thirstiusthirstius Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Timer is broken, it took me about 40 minutes,

    Is this a known bug? Or something you forgot to shop out? ;-)

    In any case, I suppose that if one plays for enough hours, you can outgrow or outpace an MMORPG, like any other computer game. The rest of us still find plenty of challenges after a year. Spend more time in PVP or create your own Foundry content. Or find a new game until NW catches up with you.
  • munchkinkittymunchkinkitty Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Also, Dread Vault is offered as the Daily Dungeon for all level 60 chars, so it could be said that it is intended for all level 60's.

    Like someone already stated, it's a dungeon for new level 60's. Of course it means it's available to ALL level 60's, that means it has to be doable by the new 60's babes.
    Don't complain about dungeons that obviously aren't for your "gear" level. That'd be like some level 30 whoever going into regular Cloak tower and be like "Too easy! What's wrong with this game?"
    Can you solo MC? VT? Kessel's Retreat? Perhaps they aren't hard dungeons/skirmishes for most people, but we can all agree you need a decent team to get through the content quickly and successfully.
    But yes, I do hope that the new Module will release some more challenging dungeons, for those outstanding-geared players.
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  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Like someone already stated, it's a dungeon for new level 60's. Of course it means it's available to ALL level 60's, that means it has to be doable by the new 60's babes.
    Don't complain about dungeons that obviously aren't for your "gear" level. That'd be like some level 30 whoever going into regular Cloak tower and be like "Too easy! What's wrong with this game?"
    Can you solo MC? VT? Kessel's Retreat? Perhaps they aren't hard dungeons/skirmishes for most people, but we can all agree you need a decent team to get through the content quickly and successfully.
    But yes, I do hope that the new Module will release some more challenging dungeons, for those outstanding-geared players.

    ToS is soloable by top level players. MC and VT are not soloable by the very nature of the boss fight chokes. Kessels is soloable.
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  • oicidrazoicidraz Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yep, MC and VT are not soloable by the mechanic of the finall boss (mechanic that I don't like at all), I wish there were more dungeons with more elite/CC inmune mobs, and a lot harder!, a team of 13K GS can do every dungeon in the game!, I want something challenging even for a +15K or +16K GS party because it seems there isn't a goal in this game, at least not in the PvE content.
  • lazaroth666lazaroth666 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    tang56 wrote: »
    ToS is soloable by top level players.

    How can 1 single person outdps Syndryth's selfhealing in Epic Temple of the Spider?
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  • fauust01fauust01 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
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    So, I decided to solo Dread Vault today, which is a level 60 dungeon (epics cant be entered solo)
    This isn't showing off, nor is it stating anything about classes or balance or anything.
    I simply want to say that I hope we see harder content in mod 4, because 1 year into the game, we are outgearing the content we have. Yes, there still needs to be content accessible to newer and lower geared players, but what exactly are the older and better geared players supposed to do? Lots of us outgeared everything in IWD from day 1.

    So really, it was just a fun thing to show how far we have come and maybe we can hope for more challenge in mod 4.

    :)

    So you did it as a GWF ? wow wow

    dude u play the most "balanced pve class atm" try doing it as a GF even haveing 20k GS.

    post ur results ?

    do is as HR and CW also plax?

    i am so happy that GWF's will be in line in mod 4..... hopefully.
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  • hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,462 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    How can 1 single person outdps Syndryth's selfhealing in Epic Temple of the Spider?

    For my HR, it was incredibly difficult, and I died a few times trying it. I had to throw everything at her: constricting, thorn ward, RoA, plus all three melee versions of those, seismic shot, even sigil of the hunter attack (at rank 100). Part of the time I would save the constricting for that *&!% add who liked to constantly knock me off my feet.
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  • sugarliessugarlies Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 99
    edited July 2014
    Been doing dungeons for quite a while now (GF) with my DC friend. We use the grouping tool. Based on these, I can say the average player is below 10k GS, has no weapon / armour enchant, other enchants are rank 4 to rank 6, artifact is usually a 29 (green) waiting to be upgraded. They usually do less dps than the DC and join starting T2, making it quite a frustrating experience on bosses like the last one in Temple of the Spider. We often end up 3-manning Karru last boss since people don't seem to grasp moving out of the big red circle and die in the first few seconds.
    Somehow, when it's a wipe, the lowest dps people never seem to leave, only the higher dps ones do.
    Is this 'challenging'? In a way, yes, because you have to make do with what you were given.
    But mostly, it is frustrating beyond words. And is also a huge waste of time.
  • iaccidentally47iaccidentally47 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Timer being broken is a known bug, you can go confirm it for yourself. I find it kind of sad how all everyone seems to want to do is make insults or try to discredit me. I am not some elitist who leaves groups when they wipe, and I play every class. I can honestly say that what I did could have been done with any class, even DC and GF, though it would have taken considerably longer. I don't really think syndryth is soloable, because even when you do 20k+ dps to her she will outheal you, but if someone has managed to do it, good for them, maybe I will try it again sometime. My last attempt on her was basically a stalemate. Why is it so wrong of me to hope for content that challenges players at all levels? I really don't understand why there cannot be content for both the undergeared and the overgeared. If I go inspect 10 random level 60 players in PE, I usually find more than half are 15k+. So, I think it is reasonable to say that I am not the minority here, there are lots of people that are overgearing the content, and by a lot.

    PS: Chemboy did solo Dread Vault a few months ago as a CW (MoF at that), so it is surely doable. Me being a GWF for this run shouldn't really mean much.

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  • kattefjaeskattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    sugarlies wrote: »
    Been doing dungeons for quite a while now (GF) with my DC friend. We use the grouping tool. Based on these, I can say the average player is..

    I suspect that if you still use the queue/group finder for dungeons, you would by definition be below average- certainly well below the median, and possibly the mean, also.
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    sugarlies wrote: »
    Been doing dungeons for quite a while now (GF) with my DC friend. We use the grouping tool. Based on these, I can say the average player is below 10k GS, has no weapon / armour enchant, other enchants are rank 4 to rank 6, artifact is usually a 29 (green) waiting to be upgraded.

    Uhmm... perhaps that's true for "Average random PUG" player, but there is a large number of players that only run with guild members or people from the Legit channel, and I am pretty sure the average GS and expertise level of those players is higher - by looking only at PUG players you are looking at a skewed subset - not the typical/average player.
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  • valencayvalencay Member Posts: 431 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    How is it possible that an hr soloed epic TOS? The amount of dps required is far beyond what a single player can provide, also the add hits too hard
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