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rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
edited June 2014 in PvE Discussion
i m really not here to flame but this is really ridicolous.
the weapons proc rate is once every 40 sec.
ONCE EVERY 40 SEC.
so we have bought assets, pick, gauntlet to have those ridicolous things?
2500 damages every 40 sec. So i was really thinking to give up bonus damage of my fallen and the 2/2 bonus set for 2500 damages every 40 sec...seems worth -.-''

and i m not going to craft the set at this point. it will be the same ****.
Assets on sell.
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  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    What did you expect? Everything they've ever made was given 60 sec CD, or a little bit less. Boons proc once a minute, 60 sec CD on the enchants, 60 sec CD on armor procs etc. I knew those will be another "negative chance to throw a peanut at the random enemy once a year" <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    You are probably right but i feel cheated. I would like an aswer from a dev but asking for it is against the forum rules.
    So let s say: i hope gentlemancrush reads this.
  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So, in case gentlemancrush reads this: BI gear currently, with those ICD's and set bonuses themselves is not worth it. Reward doesn't equal effort at all with this gear. Even stats still don't attract as well as they should - too much recovery on DC and TR corrupted set, useless deflect on CW corrupted set, lack of defense on GF corrupted set etc. 150 set bonus is too little, it gives what, 1.5% more CC resistance? Or 1.5% faster AP gain? Lack of permanent bonuses (movespeed bonus on corrupted gear is only temporary with very high ICD), overload slot enchantments are bad because of all the same reasons - ICD is too long and they don't give any permanent bonuses.
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  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    mehguy138 wrote: »
    So, in case gentlemancrush reads this: BI gear currently, with those ICD's and set bonuses themselves is not worth it.

    Well, in case he stumbles on this, I don't really care if there are ICDs on something, as long as they are explicited. I can always pick another piece of equip that suits me best, but I'd like to be properly informed before purchasing something that requires millions in AD/Zen/time.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Well, in case he stumbles on this, I don't really care if there are ICDs on something, as long as they are explicited. I can always pick another piece of equip that suits me best, but I'd like to be properly informed before purchasing something that requires millions in AD/Zen/time.

    and i opened another thread for this too a while ago
  • proneificationproneification Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 494 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    I don't really care if there are ICDs on something, as long as they are explicited.

    I fully agree.

    They MUST make DETAILED descriptions of how stuff functions before we invest.

    As for the weapon sets, I think they are lower weapon damage (but other important stats as well, such as Power) than what is BiS for the class? With 40 seconds ICD, they are kinda worthless, especially in PvP, unless somebody comes up with additional info.
  • lucifron44lucifron44 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    They MUST make DETAILED descriptions of how stuff functions before we invest.

    There was no BI weapons during mod3 beta on preview server?
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    lucifron44 wrote: »
    There was no BI weapons during mod3 beta on preview server?
    no because no one wasted 35 days of dailies in the preview shard.
    we have crafted a set which was supposed to help us during this mod3. And when you could do it? at the end of the mod3 experience.
    And it was ok, it was supposed to be BIS. Hell they even sold us gauntlets and picks throught the zen store. *blaming myself*
  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    lucifron44 wrote: »
    There was no BI weapons during mod3 beta on preview server?

    It would take you 35 days of dailies on preview + it would take forever to get BI main-hand from HE's. And to craft BI off-hand you have to farm Kessel's Retreat.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rayrdan wrote: »
    so we have bought assets, pick, gauntlet to have those ridicolous things?

    Maybe you have. Personally, I didn't think it was going to be worth it.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rayrdan wrote: »
    So let s say: i hope gentlemancrush reads this.

    He's the combat designer, not the gear designer.

    You could go express your disappointment in the official feedback thread from preview. The inability to preview the finished goods did prevent providing detailed complete feedback at the time, but they might still be monitoring that thread.
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  • silverquicksilverquick Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rayrdan wrote: »
    i m really not here to flame but this is really ridicolous.
    the weapons proc rate is once every 40 sec.
    ONCE EVERY 40 SEC.
    so we have bought assets, pick, gauntlet to have those ridicolous things?
    2500 damages every 40 sec. So i was really thinking to give up bonus damage of my fallen and the 2/2 bonus set for 2500 damages every 40 sec...seems worth -.-''

    and i m not going to craft the set at this point. it will be the same ****.
    Assets on sell.

    Well I think you should specify which class you're talking about with these.

    The CW Black Ice Orb/Amulet combo is actually on par or better than the Dread Ring sets and much easier to obtain than the Fallen Dragon.

    So ours is actually pretty nice in the grand sceme of things and I'll be upgrading to it as a primary.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Well I think you should specify which class you're talking about with these.

    The CW Black Ice Orb/Amulet combo is actually on par or better than the Dread Ring sets and much easier to obtain than the Fallen Dragon.

    So ours is actually pretty nice in the grand sceme of things and I'll be upgrading to it as a primary.
    all the weapons share the same bonus despite the class.
    tested on the tr and on the hr, they all have 40 sec cooldown parsing with ACT.
  • mfgamesysmfgamesys Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So far I have found the gear to be equal or better for my play style also as a gf the extra defense was well not helping me survive all that much more. And at most I traded 400 something life steal(fallen dragon set) for 560 regeneration which I was able to move stats around to get a more desired life steal score. Also the gear for the gf has bonus hp so that is a big plus in my book.

    Unlike other classes this is probably the first weapon set for the gf that is actually better than moar defense. Sadly when the weapon is empowered to tier 3 it does not gain more base damage which you would expect to exceed tier 2.5 weapon base damage.
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    im not talking about stats allocation. Those are well known to everyone since day 1.
  • silverquicksilverquick Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rayrdan wrote: »
    all the weapons share the same bonus despite the class.
    tested on the tr and on the hr, they all have 40 sec cooldown parsing with ACT.

    Yes... but the CW optional choices in other gear never had that in the first place.

    So it doesn't affect us any.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yes... but the CW optional choices in other gear never had that in the first place.

    So it doesn't affect us any.
    this Set 2: Equip: +450 Recovery to me seems better then 2500 damage every 40 sec

    http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Ancient_Court_Magister%27s_Orb/Tooltip
  • silverquicksilverquick Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    rayrdan wrote: »
    this Set 2: Equip: +450 Recovery to me seems better then 2500 damage every 40 sec

    http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Ancient_Court_Magister%27s_Orb/Tooltip

    Its not really,

    ...mostly because mages already run a ton of recovery compared to other classes and their gear is stacked with it. We tend to Soft Cap out without even trying.

    I'm at 3600 without even bothering to stack any recovery at all, and do not use the other Orb/amulet combinations others do because of that.

    So its very different for a CW as our gear naturally has a great deal of recovery on it without that, and adding that extra 450, while nice, only means you're starting to get some serious diminishing returns anyway.

    While its nice, its only going to be minimal anyway, we may even get more out of the Proc than other classes no matter how weak it may seem.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    http://justpaste.it/fw4u

    Its looking like the Purified heal is about 1:30 CD and more of an average of 2 min...

    Also, the heal is pretty pathetic considering the weapons are supposed to be BIS.
    Last match:

    total healing done 647k
    HEALTH REGEN: 208,176
    WATERS: 66,044
    ENHANCED POTION: 40,000

    PURITY SIPHON: 18,282

    This only increased my self healing by 2.8%.... Hardly noticeable. BTW, same match the leading HR on the opposing team looked like this:
    http://justpaste.it/fw4v

    Total healing: 697k!!!
    GrandMasters 4pc: 302k.....


    IMO purity siphon needs to have the CD bumped to maybe 40sec - 1min ish.... this may make it more effective
  • lazaroth666lazaroth666 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    When and where someone said that these items were supposed to be BIS?

    Complaining about the BI gear would be like complaining about the Fabled set when Sharandar went live, Dread Legion once Shadowmantle arrived now we have Black Ice Gear with the Icewind Dale module which is as bad as the previous sets, I think I mentioned it a lot in the official feedback thread related to this gear.

    The problem is that we, the old players, expect that once a new module arrives the new gear that comes with it must be the best! No no, these new items are a choice, not a must. For a new player must be very interesting to play every campaign and discover that each one have a different collection of items which we already have because we have been playing them one by one. I know, unfortunately, it's boring for some of us to play with the same items as usual like the AoW for the GWF, HV for the CW, etc. Let's hope that this will change with the new module, we must provide a lot of feedback once we are able to check it out in the preview server, otherwise, it's going to be the same, grinding for a gear that we won't use after all.
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  • cookiecrisp15cookiecrisp15 Banned Users Posts: 532 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    so after 35 days of farming and doing dailys just to get worthless gear with timer on it.

    5th boons are also worthless.

    now we all know why they push mod 4 so fast , they knew from the begining that mod 3 ill be big failure
  • yuccapalmyuccapalm Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 195 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    You guys need some lessons at theory crafting. 2500 dmg is much better than 3% krit even if it procs only 1x in 1v1.
  • katbozejziemikatbozejziemi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    No no, these new items are a choice, not a must.
    Haha, yeah, you have a choice to grind for 35 days to get a gear worse than what you can get from old dungeons in maybe 3 days.

    Nice choice.
  • quitegonejinquitegonejin Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2014
    When and where someone said that these items were supposed to be BIS?

    Complaining about the BI gear would be like complaining about the Fabled set when Sharandar went live, Dread Legion once Shadowmantle arrived now we have Black Ice Gear with the Icewind Dale module which is as bad as the previous sets, I think I mentioned it a lot in the official feedback thread related to this gear.

    The problem is that we, the old players, expect that once a new module arrives the new gear that comes with it must be the best! No no, these new items are a choice, not a must. For a new player must be very interesting to play every campaign and discover that each one have a different collection of items which we already have because we have been playing them one by one. I know, unfortunately, it's boring for some of us to play with the same items as usual like the AoW for the GWF, HV for the CW, etc. Let's hope that this will change with the new module, we must provide a lot of feedback once we are able to check it out in the preview server, otherwise, it's going to be the same, grinding for a gear that we won't use after all.

    That would be fine if they were decent for all classes, at least in line with profound. They aren't even close to that, for most classes. They aren't a "choice", they are a "bad choice". Period. They need buffs. But with a new mod 7 weeks away, I feel like no one gives a ****.
  • quitegonejinquitegonejin Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2014
    yuccapalm wrote: »
    You guys need some lessons at theory crafting. 2500 dmg is much better than 3% krit even if it procs only 1x in 1v1.
    That is laughably incorrect.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    That is laughably incorrect.

    Its not only incorrect..it doesnt even consider the quite big difference in base damage of the weapons.
  • kozi001kozi001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 876 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Dread Legion maybe!
    But I doubt that I switch my Fomorian orb for BI orb for pve!
  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    kozi001 wrote: »
    When and where someone said that these items were supposed to be BIS?

    From the "Play with the Devs" session:
    Q6: Can you explain how the black ice empowerment system works?
    A: Black Ice gear–when you feed it black ice it actually gets stronger. The more time you spend in combat the more the empowerment decays. Once it reaches a certain threshold it will lose power and you’ll need to feed black ice in order to make it stronger. You’ll also be able to use tokens to purchase potions that will reduce that rate of decay. You’ll want to keep farming black ice to keep it empowered. But if you do it’s definitely the best gear available.
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  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Profound archers on my HR, HV on my CW. Great armors. BI purified, really was hopeful about it, especially with the extra 2 slots and the imitation barkshield with purified enchants, but with such a high icd... can't see myself swapping out. Maybe, just maybe, on my CW in the last boss in ToS, or the first boss in Karru, or (a very big) maybe if I ever bother to pvp on my CW... but even then I'd lose the debuff in DD, which would affect the whole team.

    I just sold my extra pair of iron guantlets, that's how disappointed I am. Pity the poor guys who went all out and paid through the nose for the full shaping kit. Expect prices to fall.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • kattefjaeskattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    rayrdan wrote: »
    no because no one wasted 35 days of dailies in the preview shard.
    we have crafted a set which was supposed to help us during this mod3. And when you could do it? at the end of the mod3 experience.
    And it was ok, it was supposed to be BIS. Hell they even sold us gauntlets and picks throught the zen store. *blaming myself*

    Oh dear. I'm sorry that my skepticism over the zen store only tools and hard sell for BI gear seems to have been entirely justified. I wish I'd been wrong, and that it wasn't a massive cynical cashgrab. A lot of folks got a very bad deal.
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