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beastiegboys
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 6 Arc User
I don't have any option to post so I'll write it here. Players who quit on purpose the game while being on ice wind pvp should be banned or have penalties for that kind of dishonoured behaviour. And I'm not talking about 30minutes penalty but some serious one 2mln ad, lost all arden and cerlestial coins lost some equipmnet they wear or something similiar. Because if 3 people are chasing one guy it's ok but if anyone from them is gonna be killed it never happen cause they quit the game. Please, do something with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have not experienced this issue myself but I can certainly see it happening. However I am thinking the reason for this happening is more likely because of the injury costs or because they are facing an impossible fight.
I can't promise changes to any of those three but I can promise the devs are keen on looking into feedback about the Open World PvP in general. Hopefully we will see some changes soon to address any less than desirable behavior but more importantly any causes for less than desirable behavior.
It is completely dead?
No one does it?
There is no benefit to doing it?
Player run to the campfire or log out to avoid deaths?
Deaths from players cost you repair kits, which is ridiculous?
If you wanted it to be a real thing you should be able to enter IWP instances where the whole thing is PVP flagged, not just a small area? Make them have higher spawn rates of heroic encounters, 10% more black ice from black ice veins, a higher chance at scrimshaw tokens, etc. to incentivize people participating.
Currently there is no reason to do openworld pvp, which doesn't even qualify as pvp, especially since the encounter there is completely broken.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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I figured the above was exploiting to the Nth degree, so I haven't done it since. However logging off from the game client until the fight is over, listening to your friends on VoIP for when the target is another 30 feet away is the same level of shenanigans. More so as they can log off in a group of 2 v 1, with one at 10% the target at 50% and the other at 60% then log back in with time to potion.
If there was a log out timer that guaranteed you stayed inside the game at your location for a couple of seconds it would remove the notion of logging off to save on injury kits. It wouldn't counter the dungeon joining tactic.
Other games don't let your character log out in combat even if you quit the game, this should have been anticipated and needs to be fixed.
if you don't mind me asking, what are your 3 preferred artifacts for CW open world pvp?
Nothing else needs to be done to appease glory hound PvPers.
I'm using the sigil of the controller, the blood crystal raven skull and the lantern of revelation, using the sigil as my primary in both open world and domination. There are probably better ones stat wise but that's what I have available to me other than the whole realms catalog that switch to when I need to buy potions or clear inventory.
- RandomGuy Battleheart has dishonored his name by fleeing from combat! -
Throw it on for people who quit Domination matches, too.
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
Perhaps, if full loot was recommended? (Joking, this isn't the game for that. Also, not enough respect is typed out on the forums for the original Dungeons and Dragons lot for getting such a compelling genre into the mainstream same with the developers. Kudos!)
On another topic, people are still in the openworld pvp domination areas, and also flagged for pvp all over the map. It shouldn't be mandatory everywhere 24/7, but the relog or instance queue does clear the pvp flag outside of the pvp area, and lets face it, running around the pvp area when no one else is there is likely to net a 1v1 fight, and if the domination match starts the purple crafting material for first place is worth fighting for (15-40k)
Try switching ur graphic into directx 9ex. It solved my memory leaking problem as i had the same problem in directx11.
...so ...erm.. nice weather today..?
(ps) Here's a tip for those relatively inexperienced in PvP.
Open World PvP, in whatever game, is not the rosy pink, fun and immersive PvP combat zone you might think it is. As a matter of fact OPvP is THE integrated result of every existing cheese and exploit and griefing and lameness ever possible in a PvP environment. It always has been that way. So don't get your hopes up.
It is not that Cryptic's done a bad job. The reality is, nobody does a good job in OPvP. It is impossible.
For one thing, the most basic, fundamental, No.1 requirement for a fun PvP is "roughly even numbers". In OPvP, there is nothing that guarantees even numbers, Even the very first element of fun and fair PvP is something that cannot be guaranteed.
Hence, OPvP is a hellhole of the survival of the fittest. Anything goes. Every dirty, cheap, not-fun, griefing, exploiting tactic is justified. So don't expect "FUN" from OPvP unless you're the type that finds masochistic thrill from extreme disadvantageous conditions, or sociopathic sadistic pleasure by griefing someone over and over. ( ← the reason why stealthed classes thrive in OPvP in any game
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Take my DC. He's tough with the right gear and can challenge points 1v1 in a Domination match quite successfully, but what should I do with him in open world? He can survive a long time against anybody, but the best he can manage is a stall. So what's the point in a setting where only kills count? Running my dailies, whenever I get approached, I mount up or run. That's not exactly logging off, but it's also not exactly pvping. Most opponents will let go eventually so I am able to either return to the zone or change the instance.
I myself don't hunt players in the open world if I get the feeling they don't want to fight, because it only leads to frustration on both sides. If they don't want to get killed, they won't get killed, so searching for players with similar interests makes more sense. Example: Had two really fun Domination matches today that went back and forth, giant involved and all that.
And please stop it already with that honor <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. Most people playing that card want easy kills. See spawn camping penalty.
CRAZY MIKE - 14.6k PvE CW
Backbone - 16.7k PvP HR
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This it not to mention that EVERY class except maybe the cleric has some means to put distance between them and an attacker. GWF=sprint tr=stealth cw=control powers hr=various encounters AND control powers gf=chain prones, it just a pain to hunt them.
That said, no one wants to run around the map for ten minutes to kill 1 guy for a chance at a scrimshaw, so run and live so you can get back to mining. If you don't want to run OR fight, then why are you even in the pvp area?
If you fight and lose then that's your problem, not everyone else's.
As far as injuries go, remember the quote at the beginning of this post. Does that sound like a nice world to you? A world where you might find a wonderful little campfire to sit and heal your injuries by? no. So if you're mad because you can't win and can't get away, then and are in turn getting loads of injuries, then don't pvp with that toon. Simple solutions.
As to the affect of the logging out when enemies are coming, i agree with former posts in that could be aided by putting a MANDATORY 15 second wait on logging out. I wouldn't be concerned with getting out of opvp with ques, because ques are not consistent with the times they take to give a group the opportunity to enter whatever they qued for.
As for getting nuked by groups, well that just sucks that that happens to you. Deal with it, they were more organized than you so you died. And again, its just as easy to run from five guys than one if you are equipped for getting around places quickly.
Actually, Dark Ages of Camelot (DAoC) did quite well in their OPvP. Having been playing a few MMORPG (DAoC, Warhammer) with PvP features and I believe a "balance" PvP should have odd number of factions, instead of even number of factions.
Ebony (Whisperknife)
Different times, different people, different way of thinking. If they remake DAoC and bring in the generation of gamers who never played DAoC, I guarantee things are going to be very different.
That, and the rosy pink (and warped) memories of DAoC. DAoC wasn't exactly free from balance busting, grueling problems.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
But I have to say that OW-PVP favors defensive melee builds heavily. I personally would like to see more obstacles and structures we can use in order to confuse and elude enemies. This should allow offensively-built classes such as CWs, HRs, and possibly DPS DC's, to take advantage of their surroundings and use these obstacles as their defense. Some neat defensive structures would be a watch tower, one with a single entrance and getting to the top would require players to actually climb the tower. This should give solo CW's some better support and offense capabilities, and they would also be able to knock melees off the tower when they get the opportunity to do so. That is until a rogue infiltrates the tower undetected and harasses the CW on top, forcing him to either jump or battle for the tower. Another advantage that watchtowers can provide ranged classes is that it will increase the range of all the ranged abilities by 30', allowing players to hit much further than they should be able to.
Some other possible structures would be bunkers, and these structures would favor melee classes. The bunker I'm imagining would be an enclosed space, around 45m in diameter, and this will give ranged classes inside this place a significant disadvantage because their range will be effectively cut in half, while melee classes will be able to reach ranged classes much faster. The advantage of being inside a bunker will be increased Tenacity and Regeneration by 10% each, allowing players to recuperate while inside the structure, and there will also be a switch inside a bunker that will close the structure for 15 seconds. Until that time is over, there will be no one getting out.
It would also be great if we could somehow prepare traps such as landslides, spiked pitfalls, etc. Or even just the regular traps we see in dungeons such as floor spikes.
Anyway, this is just me fantasizing about an Open World PVP which I think would be a whole lot funner than what we have right now.
Agreed, when comes to PvP, there is always a huge challenge for the Dev to balance the classes. Have to give the credit to DAoC Dev that they did quite well in balancing the classes as compare to other MMORPG. Warhammer was a failure in balancing the class between Orders and Chaos factions and the PvP have the same issue with what Neverwinter GG PvP is facing now. That is, one faction totally dominated the other faction. In DAoC, which has 3 factions, allow the 2 weaker factions are able to form temp alliance to fight against the Strongest faction.
Ebony (Whisperknife)
Is that not the purpose of PvP?
Well, with Mod3 PvP Campaign, the actual "killing" is one of the goal objectives. And just like PvE Boons, we need to complete a certain PvP objectives to earn those PvP rewards like Boons and PvP rings etc.
Ebony (Whisperknife)
Well if they ever run into me in the PvP section mining black ice, they'll be able to get their kills pretty easily, but I love to try and respawn before they can kick, depriving them of their execution ahahah.
GW2 had a similar problem and what Anet did to fix it was, if a player logged off during WvW (open world pvp) combat then the other person received the normal rewards for a pvp combat victory, and the person who logged off received the loss penalty, in this case, armor repair costs.
So do the same to neverwinter. The winner gets their kill credit and the loser logs back in having to use an injury kit.
Of course with the way things are going, the real problem is that we seem to have a vast vast majority of people in this game who don't want pvp to be pvp. They want to wander in a pvp zone, collect their quest and profession items unmolested. Strange folk.
Why is this a problem and/or strange? I'll be the first to admit not being very keen on PvP, mostly because I'm not very good at it nor do I want to take the time to learn PvP strategy. However, I accept the risk to get the rewards of the PvP quests. If I get murdered while mining some sweet black ice in PvP zone, that's just how it works. The risk is kinda cool too and I get away with something if I manage to make it out without dying. There's nothing that is preventing people from engaging in PvP at any time; obviously there isn't enough interest there most of the time to actually trigger the PvP domination match, but whose fault is that? Where are all the PvPers then? Probably farming Heroic Encounters to get their Black Ice gear. That's just the way the cookie crumbles but this isn't a problem that needs fixing by the developers.
Ranged mage vs Melee warrior, an epic 1v1 ?
Wurtne, Wurtne, come back and show them.