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Well, I'm not much of a active forum person, but I can't watch this any more. Ever since i remember, from begun of game developers nerf TR. Each patch they are searching for way to nerf TR more. On pvp which skills TR would use not long time passes untill you have to nerf it so it is no longer usable. Perfect example is impact shot, that ners which you implemented some time ago made whole skill absolutely useless. You have nerfed all dps skills so much that only build playable on pvp is perma stealth. But now that they were using path of blades you had to nerf it, of course. There is no way critic will make up 30% dmg loss, because bilethorn TR use it and they do not have critic so improved. And now, without any word of explanation, you destroy shocking execution? Two times worse damage without any mention? Some one has not enough courage to mention about it? Now there is no daily which will make proper single damage. To be honest, that shocking execution as for best single target class, was laughable for a long time on pve but now it is also useless on pvp. Your changes nearly destroyed TR on pve. Why? TR single target skills do less dmg than CW. How is that even possible that class which is used mostly to control mobs and deal strong aoe dmg have better single target dps? IT is just unbelievable. So my question would be quite simple, how long you think will it pass until cryptic will make the last hit to already weak and hit by all nerfs TR. There is only one step left-destroy perma stealth. The last build left which most TR just had to use if they wanted to stay usable on pve and pvp(word strong as description would be only sarcasm). If any friend would ask me honestly why i have TR, there would be actually one answer-cause i like that class in each game i play, seriously. There is also no need to change topic by mentioning ,,balance''. I have CW of my own as well so i know how it looks exactly.
Tairev-TR(All kind of killing tools)
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
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http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?649731-Is-Stealth-going-to-be-changed-to-avoid-perma-stealth&highlight=potential+stealth
The problem seems to be the skills got nerfed to be in line with how permas can perform using them rather than most rogues. That may not have been what they were thinking when actually nerfing them. But that is the ultimate result. Non stealth builds aren't viable compared to other PvP classes/builds anymore because of the changes. They should have made these changes to stealth before making some of the changes to the rest of the skills so it could be easier to evaluate their true performance with the changes.
I have already decided that I will be switching to warlock class as soon as they release it (if they will do at all lol) because my favourite DnD class got nerfed to the state of nothing in this game due to some twinkle-toed QQ and I have to run some ridiculous "sociophobic" builds to be competitive in both endgame PvP/PvE.
Oh and I truly adore the replies like "Roll GWF if u dont liek it" when such threads get posted in general or gameplay sections of forum.
WTB Class Reroll please
The changes to power stat did this, if you check ALL your skills their damage has probably changed. Now that power has a baseline damage increase you will see that.
That's complex to understand but let me explain. For instance pre-power stat change 1 skill benefits from power more than another skill>>> u increase ur power by x amount and 1st skill dmg will increase by 30% because it benefits more, 2nd skill dmg will increase by maybe 15% because it benefits less. Shocking execution used to benefit from power a lot more than other skills.
After power stat change, all the skills(for every single class) benefit from power the same way. So now skills that used to benefit from power more- like CW Icy Rays, Dagger, Idomitable Strength,etc but most of all Shocking Exec will scale with power the same way other skills do. Wasn't a direct nerf, I think they just didn't test how new power interacts with other things.
What's the problem? You can't onehit people anymore? You can't kill peeps playing only with your left hand? Personally, I can't see any reason for crying here.
well, i doubt giving all our dps to gwf's is better than unnerfing rogues.
but in all honesty, rogues were meant to have damage that is feared. unless we receive compensation in some form to make up for the nerfs, the loss of dps is just a sad joke now. anyone with actual experience would be able to dodge any of our encounters except for a few from stealth and no 2 encounters will kill you (ITC is practically unswappable).
i would personally respec to scoundrel in a heartbeat if it gave 10% or more deflect and maybe some deflect severity as my survival is purely dependent on how long i can keep deflecting.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
It does not matter if it was intended. What does matter is that they released module with useless single target daily power. Now shocking execution makes laughable damage. As I have noticed even whirlwind of blades makes better damage(and you do not need target to be on low hp) and it is aoe which is just hilarious. Just don't copy this sentence, cause it will be next skill to nerf haha. You know, hiding behind ,,power rework'' is just changing topic cause result is simple: shocking execution is just terribly weak. I did tests on PVP and it deals approximately 2 times worse damage as it is in power description.
P.S. I checked all skills damage was improved in each 3 classes i have TR, DC, CW. Except for 2 TR skills. Guess which...
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
Wrong, the base has been cut in half as well as the power changes. It was nerfed.
Action advantage: from 20% to 10%
Cunning ambusher:from 9% to 6%
Endless assault: from 9% to 6%
Devastating shroud:from 25% to 10%
Deadly momentum: 5 stacks of 5% nerfed to 5 stacks of 3%
From powers:
Lashing blade nerf
Recent path of blade nerf by 30% but it can crit now
Impact shot(hard to call it nef rather destruction) first shot hits normal and second deal 66% and third 33%. Also add to it that this skill is weak anyway.
Recent and mentioned nerf of shocking execution by 2 times in damage, taking only single target daily away.
In other words to beat each class(except for dc) on pvp you have to hide, because each class has stronger skills and more stuns than you. Well i guess they made the strongest single target dps class the worst single target, giving absolutely nothing in return.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
Lurkers Assault used to be 45% dmg and the duration used to be longer.
er Deft Strike used to be an At-will
Sneak attack didn't used to be increase stealth speed but was increase dmg they just swapped dmg with stealth movement
bloodbath used to make you invulnerable but now you can take damage using it
Vengeance pursuit(recently) has cd
They were planning to push thorough with a nerf to stealth, in which each attack decreases Stealth bar <---but not introduce compensating buffs to balance it, which got blocked by the tr community as a whole, and they back tracked that one. <--although thier are hints its gonna resurface again.
I'm playing an hr alt just in case that nerf goes through, hr and tr were my primary choice classes to begin with.
Er thats as far as i can remember, im a bit hazy.
As for buffs er I don't recall... mind is fuzzy.
Although Tr nerf during the early stages had it coming, but the developers seem to doing thing in polar extremes.
I also currently suspect that we are not the single target damage kings anymore. I only have anecdotal evidence at the moment and even though it has been consistent so far it could be a fluke as we all know how many times in a row you can fail those 75% chance node successes.
single target damage kings, we lost that title since mod 2? I think.
I though Rogues were to do quick burst and slip into the shadows because they are squishy and need to plan tactics to survive?
TRs I see just troll people til dead, or take on 3-4 people at one time, I can hit a TR with everything I got and see 1 block on hp disappear? TRs are way to tanky in pvp!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Tell that to all those new PvP spec'd destroyers and the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>%^#^ HRs.
All they need is a small stealth tweak with powers buff as a compensation.
WTB Class Reroll please
you know....we were able to do it but then QQ happens. now at least you can nerf as long as you want but until i know how to land DF all is fine
Well this could be true as honestly I didn't pay as much attention then as I still seemed to manage well. Now it is made more obvious when I see other classes in T1 gear or mixed gear and over 3k gs less than me passing me in both total and single target damage.
Considering the fact that AoE daily is the best daily for pvp now. Nonsense...
WTB Class Reroll please
There's a difference between "quick bursting someone", and "one-shotting someone and immediately disappearing". The latter, which many TRs are so fond of, maybe be fun and giggles for the TR, but in terms of gameplay balance an epic PHAIL.
It's one thing when you hit for 15~17k LB (these are still possible), to blow away one-half of the target HP in one attack, and then press on this advantage to lead the game to your favor.
It's entirely something else when you hit for 25~28k a pop in a game where most PvP builds have on average 30k hp, and casual builds around 25k. One mega-shot, an additonal medium damage attack and the target drops in like 3 seconds. That's not PvP.
The nerf was deserving. Get over it.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
In PvP, sure. In PvE the previous damage was already too low to be usable. Now this power is entirely useless in PvE (was mostly anyways but it had its uses). Because of this nerf the TR currently has no burst daily abilities -- which seems strange don't you think?
I'd be down for that, right now TRs can cap nodes in stealth? That should not be! Then I run in to defend and proceed to bebombed with thrown blades cause some pretty big damage while he's STILL in stealth
I have to decide to either raise shield try and get a lucky surge off, or change to a latern just for the Rogue once every 2 mins, or raise guard until he breaks it with Bilethorn ticks and then I will be hit for everything hes got!
Perma sucks, ruins the game of PVP as there is no tactics involved in killing people while being always invisible...
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
no tr attack does 30k SE CAN DO CLOSE BUT IF ENEMY HAS 2,3K HP LEFT DOOOOOO YOUUUUUU UNDERSTAND LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
YES LB frickin UsEd to Do close to 30k DO U eVn KNO wHT ppL tALKin' aBOuT trolllololloololololool
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Like said, CB's the most underrated daily within the TR circle. It's effectively a root, since the slow is so powerful that it just locks down the person, as well as intentionally/design-wise ignores CC resistances/immunities. About the most powerful GWF killer aside from the old SE.
TRs really should experiment more with their powers, instead of just blindly follow what good players tell you. This goes for any class players.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
lol lb is powerfull u are complete joke no one even dodges that anymore
and why you talk what happened year ago loollloooolloollooloololoolloolololloololollo
I am truly sorry for your dyslexia. Get well soon.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
im fine ty l2p dude
My point exactly. :rolleyes:
(ps) Hint: there's a word called "context". Look it up in the dictionary, dude.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'