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doktorelmo
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Right now, the devs can´t deny that HR & TR are useless in PVE.
I´ve been reading "LFG greed run without TR&HR pls" quiet a lot in the last time and with the new patch nerfing the HR even harder, it only got worse. I understand that this was mostly a PVP patch and that HR&TR perform quiet good in PVP, but if you (DEVS!) dont want them in dungeons, point that out in the character creation. Say that GWF & CW are dungeon runner classes and HR&TR are PVP classes in the character creation screen! I played my HR to 60, not reading the board till i was near to 60 and now i, as a PVE-player, am having a huge problem finding groups because he is just useless.
If you can take a CW with you, why would you take an HR or an TR in your group?
The problem is not the community, the problem is the content. Every dungeon, every boss is just all about aoe´ing the million adds and while i can live with that (indeed its quite funny), i cant live with CW´s and GWF´s immensly outperforming TR&HR.
Now my question to the Devs/CM: Is there anything planned for Mod4 with HR&TR or should i just reroll GWF/CW if i want to be a dungeonrunner? I like playing my HR, he is a well designed class, but with his current skills not for this kind of end content.
I´ve been reading "LFG greed run without TR&HR pls" quiet a lot in the last time and with the new patch nerfing the HR even harder, it only got worse. I understand that this was mostly a PVP patch and that HR&TR perform quiet good in PVP, but if you (DEVS!) dont want them in dungeons, point that out in the character creation. Say that GWF & CW are dungeon runner classes and HR&TR are PVP classes in the character creation screen! I played my HR to 60, not reading the board till i was near to 60 and now i, as a PVE-player, am having a huge problem finding groups because he is just useless.
If you can take a CW with you, why would you take an HR or an TR in your group?
The problem is not the community, the problem is the content. Every dungeon, every boss is just all about aoe´ing the million adds and while i can live with that (indeed its quite funny), i cant live with CW´s and GWF´s immensly outperforming TR&HR.
Now my question to the Devs/CM: Is there anything planned for Mod4 with HR&TR or should i just reroll GWF/CW if i want to be a dungeonrunner? I like playing my HR, he is a well designed class, but with his current skills not for this kind of end content.
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I enjoy a new dungeon the first time. The second time too. And probably the third and fourth time as well. On my 137th run I don't really know what I'm supposed to enjoy, as it will play exactly like the first time, not a slightest variation (I mean different paths, different/special enemies, randomized rewards etc.)
Well, imho problem is that if you wanna gear up your character and you are a F2P player it takes ~300 CN split runs. So you think twice if you wanna 30 min run CN or hour and half.
The thing is, even if there is a group which takes me with them, i feel like a burden for the group. When i play MMO´s, i want to compete with the best, i want to be the carry and not the one being carried.
Why not make a buff which is only there when u have only 1 of every class. For example, increase the movememt speed and droprates by 30%. Or, Devs could also give TR, HR and GF a really big group buff for like 20% power for the whole group.
2 or 3 CWs will have absolutely no problem with aggro. With enough recovery, mobs will be permanently CC-ed. And with enough lifesteal, it won't really matter if they have a stray mob or two on them (or one of the few CC immune mobs), they can easily facetank them.
While HRs are just generally unaccepted by the community for dungeons running, they can still overdps almost any class. TRs CAN'T DO THAT!
Period.
WTB Class Reroll please
well, tanking in this game is overrated and would need to be completely reworked in order for them to be wanted. even rogues do just fine without a tank as we can do the job ourselves and i even have a frost mimic to forcefully aggro when necessary.
another issue that guardians might not be aware of is that they are the enemy of rogues in pve. many of us rogues learn the hard way that guardians don't give a single warning about their knockbacks and end up killing us a lot along with the mobs. because of that 1 issue, i will never look for a guardian myself as we are just incompatible. wizards seem to knockback too fast to drag us with the mobs and some clerics are thoughtful enough to wait for our flurry to end.
It's a good idea to avoid such groups in LFG.
This remark made me want to chime in. I'm interested in how this is working out, as since the patch dropped, my guild seems to have lost the will to live, and I haven't seen a single DD running- nor have I seen any forming in the Legit channel. Admittedly, I am feeling a lot less motivated to play now, so I haven't been on as much, but still, it's normal to see at least some groups forming.
I guess we will see over the weekend, which is normally the busy time..
indeed good point , the only problems is most of guilds are empty and most of ppl play CW or gwf but 90% are cw.... and if ur a solo player like me there is gonna be a problem to play something exotic like GF/HR/TR
True so what you're saying every class should have an AOE cc which would make sense.
I don't understand people that do dungeons JUST for the rewards, if you're not enjoying it, then why care about the reward? the reward only enables you to get to harder dungeons, that you don't enjoy either.
I love doing dungeons, different people make different runs.
Everyone is farming ice and XP.
I still think, they should release harder dungeon content with tough bosses which need tanking and single-target dps, to make random groups a bit more diverse.
Don't trust to paingiver. HR does have minimal debuff & support for group. You can overdamage him but only thanks CWs debuffs. So even you can see yourself first in paingiver, run could be faster & smoother if there were another CW instead you.
The two hardest T2 bosses are usually considered to be SP and ToS. GF, DC, and TR are all very good for SP. A TR can solo the SP boss with as little as 13k gs, probably less.
ToS does benefit from having more CWs, but with a DC, the last boss doesn't matter as much what classes you are running with.
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The community is the the reason these types of runs have become the norm. Not the Devs. They only gave us the content, its the community that has decided the way to run the content.
As a HR, I'm blaming the HRs, but also the devs. Why? Because most HRs probably played WoW and want to be a pew-pew ranger and nothing but. Sit back and pew pew pew, and that's awful and it sucks and maybe the devs are to blame for killing the viability of a pew ranger, but the rangers who are still hell-bent on being pew rangers are to be blamed too because they'll just pew pew no matter what the reality is. There are other feat paths, guys. Nature build is very useful to a group and in the longer and harder dungeons you're valuable. And combat build stormwarden is my setup. Rain of arrows does the most damage so you need to be right next to the mobs, rain of arrows, split the sky, go to combat, clear the ground and fox shift with blade storm and twin blade storm as a whirling tornado of death. You have to stack deflect and then use fey thistle too. This works amazingly for the strategy that most people want, focusing the mobs around the fighters and aoeing with the wizards. If only people didn't expect every single ranger to be a lame pew pew ranger this wouldn't be a problem.
So who's to blame? Everybody and nobody. The devs did a good thing and buffed a lot of skills for rangers like clear the ground and split the sky (honestly don't know anything about pathfinder yet) and maybe people just need to use better strategies and eventually the perception will change.
If you want progress your character (and don't pay xy €) you needs a lot AD. While you can refine 24k RAD / day and gear costs around 30M AD you have to do many runs to pay it. And not only this, even when you are making build to match it your playstyle its 120k-150k for retrain... mounts & companions... Milions and milions AD...Now when you count AD / time for dungeons there is almost no AD from T2 epics.
Only dungeons where you can make some profit is DK & CN and even these have to go a few hundred times. Do you think its enjoyabe do CN 300x in row?