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Heroic encounters poorly executed.
prettycelt
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Ok...I get the idea of the Heroic encounters, and it is a good one. However, in practice, this is just getting solo adventurers killed. The initial quests in Icewind send you off to do a Heroic quest, but give no indication of what you're getting yourself into. Unless there happen to be other adventurers around to lend a hand, chances are good you'll just die. Now, having wasted several Life scrolls and numerous charges of a Health Stone, I have to reconsider tactics to complete this questline.
My initial impression had been that Heroic quests were an OPTION that you could prepare for, gather friends if need be, and know in advance what you're up against. This does not appear to be the case at all. They are just scattered about at random, at varying degrees of difficulty and no obvious indication of how elite they will be. Half the time the path you may be following will lead you right through the middle of one. There also appears to be no differentiation between those in PvE areas and those in PvP areas as far as the sparkly trail is concerned...it will just steer you toward the nearest, whatever it may be.
Honestly, this needs to be re-thought.
My initial impression had been that Heroic quests were an OPTION that you could prepare for, gather friends if need be, and know in advance what you're up against. This does not appear to be the case at all. They are just scattered about at random, at varying degrees of difficulty and no obvious indication of how elite they will be. Half the time the path you may be following will lead you right through the middle of one. There also appears to be no differentiation between those in PvE areas and those in PvP areas as far as the sparkly trail is concerned...it will just steer you toward the nearest, whatever it may be.
Honestly, this needs to be re-thought.
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Icewind dale is a much tougher place for everyone, you should walk carefully, not just zerging in the middle of rasdom enemy groups.
2) Needs a "Join public group" option like Rift.
3) Raid format to allow more than 5 people in one group would be welcome. (this would help in Gauntlgrym pvp too)
Calling something or someone heroic as no indication whatsoever, of how challenging it will be in Neverwinter. A single Paragon Hero should be able to do Heroic Encounters by definition.
I'm ok with this anyway, loads of fun for me to be honest.
1. They are appear in usual places (one can anticipate where a certain type encounter will appear).
2. There is an indication of difficulty, similar to runes Rank, the more spikes the icon has and the bigger it is the harder the encounter is.
3. It doesn't require a party, and will reward anyone participating in the vicinity.
4. It's not meant for Solo play, and as such finally challenging. Perhaps Use chat, guild, or just follow/wait other people before jumping into hard encounter ?
5. Perhaps it was a good time to ask how to differentiate their difficulty before waisting scrolls of life / health stone and such and not after.. you died / found it difficult, try to adapt before being stubborn about it... or ask.. especially when it says in the middle of the screen encounter for x people...
6. After leveling to 60, i honestly believe one should learn how to choose active quest for the sparky line, and use the map to see which one is PvP and PvE which is clearly marked by red paint.
I apologize if my tone seems harsh, but finally there is new content that can be done in groups and actually somewhat challenging (require more than 2-3 people to destroy everything). The first post i see sounds like "It's hard, nerf it". This is not a Solo game, it's MMO. this is not a solo content.. please dont try to do it like a single player campaign and then ask to rework it when it fails. What i can agree with / or suggest is that the tool tips on the map will indicate how many people needed for the encounter in addition to the visual indicator of the icon itself to aid new players to the zone.
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You don't need a party, but it certainly helps. Several class buffs are party-only and keeping track of people's health for healers can be a nightmare without party's UI. I don't see how anyone could be against those changes, unless he's just willing to argue on forums because of boredom.
i actually thought it was a joke with how easy these heroic encounters are when a bunch of the testers said we were all gonna die a lot and 1-shots would be frequent.
They're not all the same difficulty.
The ones you mentioned are probably Auril's Totem, Merchant in Distress and (something) Marauders, those are designed for a couple of persons. But the harder ones like Raid the Raiders, Rhemoraz Hunt, ecc... cannot be duoed without pots.
Riiiiight. You and one other person try taking down Remorhaz. Let me know how that works out for you.
Black ice beholder and remorhaz are also tougher, but assuming enough people come it's not too bad. If they don't you'll get wrecked and need to try and get more to join.
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They should just randomly flagged some high geared GWF and have player man hunt him, it would be a much more challenging and meaningful encounter.
Its not really new. Cryptic has been doing open missions like this for years now. There are dozens of encounters like these in Champions and Star Trek and have been from their launches.
Granted, these seem more polished and refined then past versions. But any old Champs vet who has played on a Bloodmoon event will feel right at home with these.
Also, the PvP areas are marked by a red indication on the map, and there IS that warning if you cross the red light wall you'll be flagged for PvP.
Rhemoraz... they are a pretty blue and rainbow. Don't let the rainbow fool you!
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Shamely kessels retreat doesn't live up to being an "epic skirmish" and the 12k gs requirement (compared to other dungeon gs requirements)
Let's face it. If it did live up to the requirement, we'd have tons of threads complaining about the difficulty.
There are tons of "fake" 12kgs players out there. That means that they got to 12k because of gear inflation. It is far too easy to get 12k nowadays. They are nowhere near the caliber of 12k gs players last year
The thing is despite the likes of CN/MC/VT having a much lower gs requirement (which is way under what you actually need), it's no where near the difficulty and some of the HEs are even tougher. I think that some of the older players will get bored after 2 months max when theres nothing rewarding left to do.
Sure does.
I was just addicted to these for like a week straight. Lol course when it went live the larger encounters aren't spawning as often, and in this case they really need to. Lol I've been running around tonight and there's like 10 people running around just pasting the 2-3 man encounters because there's just no more 3-5 and 6-10 spawning.
I think they're seriously going to need to increase the spawn rate so the lower geared players can take on the 2-3 man while the rest of us gang pile the 3-5 and 6-10 mans. Those are just a rush.
Deadly... but a rush like nothing else.
Right now you've got like 20 people gang piling them, but I remember in the Preview sometimes we'd be doing 3-5 mans with just 3 people lol.
They need to increase the spawn rate on these.
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^so much this. good for quick farming of the small encounters though, but each encounter is ending in like 2 mins.
Lol I remember when we started that Black Ice Beholder one with 4 people, luckily we got another 2 towards the end, but I don't think I've seen so many people drop so fast.
Its almost a let down now when you jump on one and there's like 20 people all over a 2-3 man.
I think that Bug from Preview may be back though,
The 3-5 mans are not spawning at this point. I only saw the Remhoraz once. So I think they're all bugged out again.
I thought it was a ton of fun.