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Isn't 51k a little too much for changing appearance?
tourage16
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I know there are lots of items that are free to change appearance, but the majority cost 51k, isn't it too much since you are already losing the item you use to transmute?
I mean, come on, with the price of 4 transmutes, you can buy an epic slotted shirt or pants. It should be 10k max or even free since you are consuming the equip.
I mean, come on, with the price of 4 transmutes, you can buy an epic slotted shirt or pants. It should be 10k max or even free since you are consuming the equip.
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I'll disagree with you and agree with the OP since I don't always have time to farm daily AD and the cap of 24k per day. I would have a different opinion if somethings like say the Lord Protector actually paid in AD and NOT rough AD. I get that some of this is to artificially drag out the game (it has maybe 30 hours of playable content but due to restrictions you have to log in daily like a facebook game to make any "real" progress).
Everything costs so much in the end game, 25k for a mark of potency, 100k for a greater, 10 dollars for a coalescent ward or 200+ AD if bought of AH. Not to mention 500+k to rank up companions or stones. Seriously this game is a bit out of whack with costs.
I'd rather see gold put to more use and change the transumatation cost into a gold one, maybe price it 1 - 20 GP for changing or something, but I too am frustrated with being able to get AD, I don't have a lot of time to run dungeons and don't really get many guild members that can or want to run CN to get the stuff that sells for a higher AD value in AH.
Running dungeons with pugs is not always beneficial in this area to make up for where guildies aren't around or available. I can suck it up with the other costs but I want my appearance to be something more readily done as part of this game is its "customization" which often neglects the fact that many don't do the customization thing for that very reason of how much it costs in AD or real world money.
and about tang56 saaying it's only 2 dailies... it's not like you get the 24k rAD for free...
About 4 items are sitting in my personal bank ready to transmute, they've been there for months, I've been desperately waiting for this ridiculous price to drop, no dice
Everything you said is pretty spot on. I'm not surprised cryptic makes getting AD a pain, but the people who are totally fine with the AD costs attached to everything are pretty confusing.
PvPers I see have the best enchants money can buy anyway, they are probably the best source of money for cryptic. Though i'm only guessing.
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They need to re-eval their pricing before it starts showing on their statements.
Yeah, I love visual customization in games like this. And have been saving "good" looking gear in the bank of every one of my characters. But I just can't bring myself to pay that much for it There's so many other things you need AD for, that I really can't justify spending that much on this.
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That would be an easy quick fix. Gold isn't hard to get, and there are few ways to spend it.
Seriously...does pwe really expect us to log on every single day just to do the dailies? And if i can only get up to 120k AD by lvl 60 casually seems like prices for upgrades should be significantly less.
I dont even bother to summon my companions anymore, they just die in 1 hit.
We need LESS AD sinks and MORE AD generating possibilities imo
This is one of the major problems to me with the f2p model (and why I actually prefer subscription games...)
There is very little economic incentive for Cryptic to increase the daily AD limit, in fact, it's in their best interests to try and keep AD as scarce as possible as it drives up the price (in Zen) on the exchange for AD, which means that if someone REALLY wants something, they'll have to open their wallet to get it, and then Cryptic/PWE makes money.
I don't think they're evil for wanting to maintain the status quo here, but it's useful for people to remember that a lot of things that are down right inconvenient about this game are intentional, because the profit model that the games owners has relies upon it.
And this is why I hate F2P, it puts customers and businesses at odds over motives. Good businesses act on providing a customer with purchase experience that they feel good about. This is always the best outcome. F2P games on the other hand actively try to manipulate people into spending money (they have to! otherwise who pays for the game we all like?) which means that some design choices are made from a financial standpoint and not a gameplay/customer value stand point. And yeah, eventually people start to resent this.
My 0.02 cents.
That's the thing, I don't think either company is particularly more virtuous than the other, just that the way they are monetizing their games are slightly different. The Zen/AD exchange itself and the "random lockboxes" obviously must be their biggest money makers, one indirectly, and the other directly.
I have to admit - I have absolutely spend money on this game. I don't feel bad about it myself, because like I said in my other post - I understand that Cryptic/PWE need to make money off of Neverwinter or it goes away and I'm quite enjoying it. I've probably paid upfront what I would consider acceptable for a brand new game and a couple months of MMO subscription, but I'm not really considering making any more purchases for a while because frankly, my altruism pretty much ends there and I am probably the most sympathetic guy in the world to them because I make software for a living...
If you're turning me off, I can only imagine what other people are thinking... This is why I don't think most current F2P models are going to last long into the future.
Must have been waaaaaaaay back in closed beta or alpha, because when I started playing the first day of open beta, refining was 24k.
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The game also needs sinks for AD. You cannot just lower the price of something here and increase it elsewhere. It needs to have a balance. Might be it gets changed, but then it is because it is being used too often or too little. I doubt complaining about it will change it. Not using it is the best way.
I think transmutation cost should be scaled based on color of rarity of item you are using to overlay another piece(does not matter what color that piece is). So basically a green pc transmute on another green pc is the same cost as a green pc transmute onto a purple pc.
Generic:1000 AD
Green:3000 AD
Blue: 6000 AD
Purple: 12000 AD
My choices for pricing, and I think you will see alot more players messing around for a look they like, probably more dye purchases on the Zen store as well.
I just keep those that gives me free transmutation.
I rather spend the astral diamonds buying gear.
In my humble opinion, transmutation (non-free) with the current prices is not for casual players like me.
2. Transmutate whatever you want ONTO the CTA Weapon
3. Transmutate that CTA weapon ONTO whatever your main weapon is
Enjoy. Should have costed you about 100 AD
Because they think that by saying '51k ad is nothing to me it's pocket change' they are impressing somebody , no idea who though , in reality they say this because they are probably the type of players who don't really care too much about their characters appearance so a very very occasional 51k here and there is nothing to them because they use the service so infrequently , try adding a 51k fee to a free service (transmutation should be free) they use several times a week that interferes with their enjoyment of the game and see how cool they are with it then.
as for armor and dyes or customization specifically and the costs involved, i would like to see dyes or more dye packs added to the alchemy profession.
transmute costs... would reducing them increase the gold sink there or decrease it? perhaps they would like to increase the transmute options before they focus on transmute costs? i have definitely paid the cost on some things but it would be nice to have lower cost options or an ability to have a selectable collection of past transmutes or both!
Interesting. Now we just have to get the CTA to release free-transmute items for armor/boots/gloves, which are the main things I'm looking to transmute.
edit: which is why it gets even more expensive, since to get a full look takes 3-4 pieces (depending on hiding the helmet or not) at 51k each.
Yes I like to make better look on my char but I cannot because Cryptic.
I play few hours per day and most of the time I am on PVP so I haven't time for anything else so will be nice if I can spend Glory for transmutation.
So I can suggest here that will be really nice if Cryptic add this like option for transmutation Glory OR AD.
If Cryptic implement this we will get more people for Domination and I am sure that they want it.
Dear God no. Do you really want more PVErs ruining your PVP matches by farming glory so that they can transmute stuff?
Me personally?
I agree, 51k AD for something so irrelevent to the grand scheme of the gameworld is way overdone... and has no real effect on the game world for balance purposes... and is only used to make characters look different from each other... Yeah that's as bit much.
If you're already going to lose the item you're transmuting (ie, its destroyed) and then have to pay for it on top of that is insult to injury.
The basic nature of it already cleans items out of the economy.
a 51k AD fee on top of that is a little overdone. You can probably reduce that and it won't affect the general economy at all. In fact it will likely clear items out of the economy faster if its cheaper to do.