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Vote kicking needs to be addressed..Too Many Are abusing this privilage!
doomessa
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There needs to be set time limitations..People being kicked after killing the boss is Ridiculous...There is a severe Lack of manners in gaming.. If someone has helped you get through a dungeon they should not be kicked and denied loot..Amount of cheating shows you do not care to learn...nor do you care about other players time or effort
Many are abusing kick options.. as they did in Wow when I played it.. Wow fixed them by setting time limitations...once the boss fight begins that should be where no kicking will be allowed..
A little kindness goes a long way kids...
Many are abusing kick options.. as they did in Wow when I played it.. Wow fixed them by setting time limitations...once the boss fight begins that should be where no kicking will be allowed..
A little kindness goes a long way kids...
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Also it sucks if you're kicked from a party just for being Class X instead of "the proven combination" for defeating a dungeon.
Suggestions -
1) Need or Greed needs to be set by the party at the start of every dungeon. I believe this is already possible in the current game when you press O to look at party options. That'll stop the random "HEY HE PRESSED NEED!!!" frustrations.
2) On the game end of it anyone whom is disconnected from a party for 15 minutes needs to be autokicked from the party BY THE GAME. I understand sometimes people drop signal, or lose internet, but random logging to another character leaves the OTHER character as a Disconect in that party. In cases where Vote kick doesn't work to remove them this could help out.
3) An option to get back to the dungeon should you kill the boss should be there. Irregardless of Vote kick you should be able to go claim your chest if the boss died! This REALLY should apply during Dungeon Delves event. "Return to Instance" would help in that respect.
Other opinions?
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That's it.
. . . This is being looked into by the Devs. We have threads on this already. I'll merge this into one when I get a chance. Until then, locking it up.
Update: Merger done. Added quotes to show the posts that were added to this thread.
. . . Just to chime in as a player... Vote-kicking does need to be addressed, overhauled, and made fair. Firstly, it should be a unanimous (4 people) to kick someone. Secondly, once the final boss is engaged, vote-kicking should be disabled.
. . . As a Moderator... In any case, this issue is on the table for the Developers. They're looking into it but that's all I know right now. If you've been the victim of vote-kicking abuse, please report the player(s) using the in-game GM Help menu and choose Behavior as the category. Be sure to include the players' @handles and not just their character name, as character names are not unique, just their @handles are. Be as specific as possible and remain calm and respectful. Tickets with profanity and ranting do not do any good.
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Because it is abused by scummy players who kick people when the boss is down to 1% health, or when they see that an artifact or some particularly pricey loot has dropped and they want it all for themselves.
However.
Now that I have seen my fair share of pugs (particularly in the GG dungeons) who agree to a greed run but who then mysteriously "accidentally" click need after final boss fight when it's their class's loot that drops, not to mention final boss leechers who do nothing but solo queue in hopes of landing at final boss campfire and contribute only a small amount of work to the overall dungeon run but who nevertheless expect an equal shot at the final boss loot, kicking these leechers and moochers after the final boss fight is the only way to stop them from getting away with their perfidy.
So I still agree that vote kicking at the final boss fight should be prohibited, but *only if* the team is able to enforce a greed-only policy *after the dungeon run has already started*. That way it also covers people who add late into the dungeon run.
A better idea is to have a pre party screen where the leader sets drop rules and members agree or drop from the party. Defaulting to "greed only" also makes sense as only very rarely is a need option actually needed. Until one of these things is implemented vote kicks after the boss fight will continue to be needed even if abused.
However, reports should still be possible to file, and each instance should be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. If a certain group or guild becomes notorious for vote-kicking people with no wrong-doing, then there should be action taken against them. I suppose it's probable the system doesn't log enough data nor does PWE have enough customer support staff to review all the tickets sent to them.
A lot of issues that have me argue in the favor of vote-kicking could probably be alleviated with a revamp of the loot rolling system, but meh, take what you can get.
Can we please get better defaults for loot like auto roll (greed) on blue and above? Maybe have the results hidden (on blues and above) unless you won (be on the ground instanced for that player), but have a party option to display it the roll and item won. This is especially needed for endgame but causes issues at all levels. Have it do round robin on greens and below. Special drops and artifacts would be auto roll (greed) if not blue or above (I don't think this is currently possible). This is the best way to avoid loot drama, but it doesn't stop people from using kick as an exploit before bosses are killed.
Make it require a unanimous decision to change loot settings when a party is already formed especially queue. Random queues shouldn't have a party leader or at least, don't make the leader more restricted and subject to review.
We need a vote kick that anyone can initiate. I've had a lot of issues with afk players (likely botters) in skirmishes that cannot be kicked because they are the leader. One got away with it when not leader because I could not initiate a vote kick.
Definitely don't allow kicking during boss loot and fight. Don't allow a kick to stop loot rolls in progress or loot spawned when that character was in the party.
One major problem that I have is that I have never gotten a notification that I was kicked. I just get a loading screen. Some players may not know what happened. If someone doesn't write down or memorize the leader's handle beforehand, then they cannot report when a kick was being abused. Taking the time to do this wastes a good party's (any my) time so I never do this.
P.S. I cannot drag the loot popups and the UI customizer doesn't have anything that works (that I can see) so they are always in the way.
People do get kicked from parties for many reasons regardless if they agreed to Greed runs or not. And people press Need even when they have agreed to not doing it. There is just no way you can ensure that everyone will stick to the same rules unless these are the rules set by the game itself. It is simply delusional to believe one could talk everyone into agreeing to a new set of rules.
When someone kicks me just after the boss or pulls some other nonsense then I do it back to others 3 times as often. This gets me flamed and hated by others, but I will not allow anyone to screw with me and just take it. I kick back even if it means it will set the game on fire.
All of the players that rolled greed on the second boss loot were in private conversation and it was agreed upon to kick the individual before final boss loot distribution. Three of them even made comments in party chat to the individual that rolled need to not worry about it and that it wasn't a problem. Why did this happen?
The players felt cheated.
The players wanted the individual to stay to increase the chances of completing the dungeon, so convinced the individual that they were forgiven.
It's also important to note that the individual didn't have time to take the extra dungeon delve event chest loot. The vote kick finished this quickly probably out of spite.
The result is that the individual feels pretty angry and frustrated that the game allows this to happen to them. Sure they got a 5k~ AH/Salvage item, but they lost a good 60 minutes and a chance at final boss loot and dd event chest loot. The other players are angry immediately after the second boss loot rolls and end up feeling guilty that they denied this person their dungeon delve event chest.
The system should be changed so situations like this can't happen. If everyone agrees upon a greed only run, greed and pass should be the only options.
The obvious fix for that is to allow a greed loot mode where you can only roll greed. Then remove kicking after boss fights and it will be a LOT better than it is now.
Yeah but if the group agrees to a greed run, why not just allow a loot mode where you can only greed or pass. People do accidentally hit keys by accident. Should they get booted and lose their chest loot when it's far simpler to just have a greed mode.
1. Once everyone zones into a dungeon, a loot mode vote is initiated, (normal, greed only, round robin, etc). Said loot mode CANNOT be changed once all parties have voted.
2. No vote kicks can occur from the time a boss fight has started until AFTER the loot from said boss has been won by a player.
3. If someone should attempt to initiate a vote kick too many times in a certain period of time, they will be blocked form initiating any further votes for some period of time, (like maybe 15 or 20 mins).
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My two cents:
- Disable kicking once boss fight begins -or- make kicked player not drop from instance once boss fight begins & keep loot roll available until player has exited the instance. Heck, stick all the loot from every dungeon in a chest in Protector's Enclave for all I care!
- Unanimous kick vote won't work.
- Greed-only option would be a secondary keep-everyone-happy step worth considering, but it hardly concerns me. The need/greed system works if people don't have silly expectations, and those silly people should first be prohibited from abusing other players to exert control and/or monopolize loot.
- Probably the most efficient fix would be to put the dropped loot into the chest instead. Like getting a companion during CTA. So chests contain the usual stuff incl the BoP gear, and sometimes a BoE.
- Gear score limits currently assigned to dungeon tiers are likely a major cause of this problem outside of final boss loot scenarios.
Nothing that hasn't been said dozens of times, I'm sure. Seems like a really easy fix.