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Suggestion: Buff Icy Terrain (CW)
ianthewizard2012
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Icy Terrain could have been an useful control power if it works appropriately. Currently there are some issues cause it not being a decent control power. Here are two ideas which can ideally buff it:
Always cast it at a target location
Every time when we want to cast it, we have to go into close combat, position ourselves among mobs, and cast it. That is somewhat against the gameplay style of a ranged class, especially a controller. A controller is supposed to control enemies from a long distance. Having to go into close combat in order to control enemies is weird. So the suggestion is making it so we always cast it at a target location, like how it currently works on Tab.
Increase its effective area
Its current effective area 15' is too small. Mobs usually run around and can easily escape from the terrain before they get frozen. Although tabbed CoI works together with it can freeze mobs very fast, frozen mobs also break frozen stat very fast due to CoI deals enough damage very fast. Its effective area could increase to at least 20'.
Always cast it at a target location
Every time when we want to cast it, we have to go into close combat, position ourselves among mobs, and cast it. That is somewhat against the gameplay style of a ranged class, especially a controller. A controller is supposed to control enemies from a long distance. Having to go into close combat in order to control enemies is weird. So the suggestion is making it so we always cast it at a target location, like how it currently works on Tab.
Increase its effective area
Its current effective area 15' is too small. Mobs usually run around and can easily escape from the terrain before they get frozen. Although tabbed CoI works together with it can freeze mobs very fast, frozen mobs also break frozen stat very fast due to CoI deals enough damage very fast. Its effective area could increase to at least 20'.
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I see your point for pve but you have to think about pvp opressor cw. Their Icy terrain is already strong imo...
maybe not in pve or if you're not feated opressor, but still this skill is awesome, lot of controle on it...
Other than Gauntylgrym or troll matches, I have not seen CWs use Icy Terrain in PVP either.
are most CWs in the forum really this bad rofl.
+ 1 stack of freeze + 1/second they stand on it
Add a feated chillstrike to that = +3 stack of chill on target (more target if on mastery)
Witch result on stun everyone surounding you, giving you a chance to escape and let the tank get in the fight till you can burst your damage again
I'd dare suggest that the power function changes, so instead of being a knockback, make it a knockdown prone that slows people down, knocks people and prones them at 25% chance per every 1-second proc check, can happen multiple times. Lasts for 10 seconds. Ofcourse, the damage would have to be greatly lowered as well.
Would be a very useful tool against melees, not a half bad tool for catching TRs in stealth as well, since if the TR stays within range too long, will be proned, perhaps at the right moment could be proned before being able to use Shadow Strike, and thus revealing himself.
About 0.5 sec faster activation would be also helpful.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
It's also 15' radius - so it's a 30' diameter, not 15' across.
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Placing it in TAB means that meatball tactic isn't as viable anymore.
Would rather have shard on tab than a buffed icy terrain
Please guys stop these nonsense posts I woke up my kid from laughing so hard when I read that.
Don't you think that's a problem with some skills not being useful? Especially the single target stun which you'd think should be useful in pvp.
guy makes a post abouth buffing pure pve skill he never once mentioned pvp.
next guy comes and says the skill is op in pvp.
now the pvp pro troops come to the rescue missing the complete post by 100 miles.
alot of skills not only for CWs are not useful in pvp. hmmm hmmm Dont you think that's a problem too?
Sorry for that. It never crosses the mind of us PvP folks because NW PvE is so easy that even a dunce can clear any dungeon so long as he has certain level of gear.
If the PvE here actually required as much clock-work precision as some other games where the whole instance was full of traps and special triggers and bosses with team-wipe powers that would go into enraged modes, that needed to be handled super quickly and efficiently, then perhaps we'd actually figure that some powers need that OOMPH! in PvE... but as it is...
Naw. You could use any choice of skills with 0 problems at all. Why bother thinking about skill balance in clearing content that is handled by stupid AI mobs, when balance is much more important in a fight against another live person who thinks and reacts??
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I didn't say it wasn't
Well just because we may have decent gear doesn't change the fact that other people don't have that gear and may struggle more, they may also not have as much skill. Some dungeons aren't well balanced for the intended level. For example mad dragon may be a breeze when you have so much gs, but for those trying to get their first t1 armour, they will struggle unless they have a team to carry them. Also tos last boss has insane healing and requires a pretty decently geared team to take her down rather than a team without t2 gear. CN is pretty much impossible for 9200 geared people or those without their ancient weapons, though at least it makes it farmable since not many other dungeons are. A lot of people have progressed to the part where hard dungeons aren't so much of a challenge anymore, but that doesn't change the difficulty for the ones who have played or paid as much. It's easy to forget the challenges those players may have.
Just because it is easy for you doesn't mean it is easy for everyone. Sheesh. What an arrogant and elitist post.
I am getting pretty tired of the PVPers thinking that they have the right to hijack this game and turn it towards their interests which is only about bashing other people. It is contrary to the entire spirit of D&D and contrary to the entire point of this game.
Yeah the pve guys forget how purely intelligence based the pvp portion of neverwinter is , the sheer level of intellect needed to be able to pvp in this game is mindblowing , I heard somewhere that you need a degree in at least 3 separate subjects as well as a doctorate just to qualify to join in pvp in neverwinter .
Infact I was told Stephen Hawking wasn't even intelligent enough to join certain pvp guilds in neverwinter , and that just to be able to apply you need to have passed the Mensa iq test , we are so blessed to have such highly intelligent members of the community like you kweassa.
Neverwinter PVP and intellect?
Nah, this isn't the game for that. There are 2 easy ways to be elite in PVP:
Make a GWF or a perma TR (no skill required). Buy rank 10s on the auction house (no skill required). Buy an Emblem for 9mil (no skill required). Spend 5 minutes reading the rotations (Grade 1 English required). Join a PVP guild and always queue as a premade (no skilled required).
There! You can make videos about how awesome you are.
I do have to agree with pve ai being dumb though. Look at all of the mobs/bosses individually and you'll notice they're very dumb and only when numbers come into the picture does it make the thing challenging. Still there's no reason to insult others be it pve or pvp. It's very natural to be frustrated at others in some circumstances, but it's never fair for people to take it out on them when all they want is to just play (directed in general than to anyone specifically)
agree!!!
that rank 10 emblem stuff killed premades.you cant premade with 7,8 rank enchants any more which means very few people get to play.
so if a new player comes he will need a year of intense farming so he can join his first premade.before was like few weeks tops.
and plz dont say pay for it its a f2p game thats why most people play.
This is not a serious argument.
This is just coming from someone who doesn't want to see CWs buffed at all, ever, even when the argument is reasonable.
Get rank 7/8s and with the queues the way they are now, a premade with those should win like 80-90% of their matches. Unfortunately you won't be able to compete with top premades though.
tl;dr: icy terrain is great for facetank pve CW, less so for those standing at range.
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You can't focus on only pve and icy... Pve boot= pvp boost, same goes for the nerf, until they decide to seperate them completely from the mechanics, they cant fix only the pve aspect of the skill
No one uses Icy Terrain in PVP.
As has been said, nobody uses IT in PvP, in the tab slot, you can target your cast, Perma stealth takes a lot of skill and practice Hard core PvPers just happen to like rogues, in just about every game.
Only IV/Sent GWFs are hard to kill.