CW with shard build is a high burst and cc/prone class that has to be sneaky and rotate to clean nodes and team work with your group.
You want to try to rotate to places where you got a good matchup, with classes that can work with you. HR/GWF/GF mainly.
The best friend of CW is probably a GWF, when your gWf is defending/contesting a node that you're going to clean, if you time your prones all together, theres nothing that can survive one rotation.
It is true that everything that a CW can do, a HR can almost do the same, plus it can hold nodes and beat people 1v1. But CW is still the only class that got that nasty shard ice knife combo, triple prone and huge damage.
And its the coolest class to play!
"14.6s cooldown
Cold Damage
Blasts one or two targets with icy beams, briefly Immobilizing them and adding Chill.
The first cast of this spell puts a rune mark over your target. The second cast will fire at both the rune marked target, and your current target. Spell effectiveness is increased if both beams are fired at one target."
When you cast Icy Rays your opponent can't move, unless it's a TR with ITC up or a GWF with unstoppable up. As I am obviously not stupid i'm not gonna use it until I am sure that they don't have it right away.
NO, people don't STAND there, NO people don't WALK away, Why? Because I Icy Rays them, is it too hard to understand?
"14.6s cooldown
Cold Damage
Blasts one or two targets with icy beams, briefly Immobilizing them and adding Chill.
The first cast of this spell puts a rune mark over your target. The second cast will fire at both the rune marked target, and your current target. Spell effectiveness is increased if both beams are fired at one target."
When you cast Icy Rays your opponent can't move, unless it's a TR with ITC up or a GWF with unstoppable up. As I am obviously not stupid i'm not gonna use it until I am sure that they don't have it right away.
NO, people don't STAND there, NO people don't WALK away, Why? Because I Icy Rays them, is it too hard to understand?
Also you stated that everyone in the video is a top tier PvP player with high GS and enchants. I can say that one of those you killed is definitely NOT in that category. I can't say anything of the others.
Did you say just one?
You realize the entire video is an Enemy Team guild premade against no-name guilds right?
Even the lone EOA GWF he killed was kicked out.
So a CW leeching off a PVP guild premade got some kills. Whoop de doo
It is true that everything that a CW can do, a HR can almost do the same, plus it can hold nodes and beat people 1v1.
Before the cc nerf CWs would use Entangling Force followed by shard to deal with them. It really was a "who shoots who first" type of battle. Post nerf Entangling is too short to cast the meatball before they move away. HR is a notoriously shifty class and good players keep moving. Icy Rays to meatball on HR was always a bad idea due to good HRs firing an interrupt immediately on ice root to cancel the followup meatball cast.
Yet you normally play a TR instead? Are you trying to preserve the coolness?
Personally I don't think we need premature buffs to CW with all the upcoming balance changes coming in Module 3. I'm guessing that is your fear and why you put so much effort behind the posts and creating the video is it not?
You mean they are good at going to nodes as long as no one is already there? Which class isn't good at that?
GWFs are good at carrying the weak.
Before the cc nerf CWs would use Entangling Force followed by shard to deal with them. Post nerf Entangling is too short to cast the meatball before they move away. HR is a notoriously shifty class and good players keep moving. Icy Rays to meatball on HR was always a bad idea due to good HRs firing an interrupt immediately on ice root to cancel the followup meatball cast.
Yet you normally play a TR instead? Are you trying to preserve the coolness?
Personally I don't think we need premature buffs to CW with all the upcoming balance changes coming in Module 3. I'm guessing that is your fear and why you put so much effort behind the posts and creating the video is it not?
You mean they are good at going to nodes as long as no one is already there? Which class isn't good at that?
GWFs are good at carrying the weak.
Before the cc nerf CWs would use Entangling Force followed by shard to deal with them. It really was a "who shoots who first" type of battle. Post nerf Entangling is too short to cast the meatball before they move away. HR is a notoriously shifty class and good players keep moving. Icy Rays to meatball on HR was always a bad idea due to good HRs firing an interrupt immediately on ice root to cancel the followup meatball cast.
Personally I don't think we need premature buffs to CW with all the upcoming balance changes coming in Module 3. I'm guessing that is your fear and why you put so much effort behind the posts and creating the video is it not?
This right here is the most intelligent post in this entire thread and it is not even close
Everything started a long time ago when people were saying about CW. He can teletransport and another classes can't reach him. I already did in pvp 22/3 with my CW (yesterday), but sometimes I give up, because it's impossible kill some of them.
Another classes has more control than CW, this is a fact. And how some people are saying, the job of the CW is control, but CW has no control in pvp.
The developers need, sure, change it or someday CW will be useless.
Everything started a long time ago when people were saying about CW. He can teletransport and another classes can't reach him. I already did in pvp 22/3 with my CW (yesterday), but sometimes I give up, because it's impossible kill some of them.
Another classes has more control than CW, this is a fact. And how some people are saying, the job of the CW is control, but CW has no control in pvp.
The developers need, sure, change it or someday CW will be useless.
Excellent points
By the way, I'm still waiting for that video of from that someone who challenged me on his CW being able to control and kill any HR or GWF
(not OP, he backed out a long time ago. Hard to compete with TRs and GWFs unless his skilled guildmates carry him. But then again, someone as skilled and geared as Jerkface will spoil some people :rolleyes:)
He's a good player and good at CW as well. He made a nice video showing the extent of CW capabilities. And he's right about CW being the coolest class to play. Especially for him, since he almost never pugs and basically always rolls in full Rank 10 ET&friends parties.
He already admitted what a CW can do (less than a HR which can do the same, but better). And that a CW is unable to 1vs1 players at the same level of skill and gear from other classes but a DC. I might be able to kill a BiS GF on my BiS CW if I kite from 1 to 3, but on a node, no chance.
The video is nice, blacksheep is geared and skilled, but CW is not a class that one would play they want to own and be powerful.
By the way, in other MMOs I played, mages were not "just support" and weak on their own. I usually play rogues and fighters, and I lost lots of times in other games to mage-types, they were just as good at 1vs1 or 2vs2 or 5vs5.
It is just Neverwinter with the extremely dumb mentality that the wizard should be relegated to support. I wish the developers would make the class just as viable in 1vs1 and node holding as the HR at least, so I can go back and play it some more instead of using it to level professions out of boredom.
People insist in not reading, i will just repeat it again.
Premade me, and you will see how every member of your premade will die to my ice knifes and shards.
How many times I will have to say that cw can't beat tr/gwf/hr (even most of the geared GF's too) in a 1v1?
How many times I will have to say that hr can do pretty much everything that a CW can, plus it can hold nodes and win 1v1's, stuff that cw can't?
How many times I will have to say that the whole point of this thread is just to show that CW is at the same spot as it always used to be? Disagree with me? It is simple, premade me, I will kill you in the same way I did with people on the video and laugh at you at the forum.
I am no unknown nooob, I can prove my words in-game.
You mean they are good at going to nodes as long as no one is already there? Which class isn't good at that?
GWFs are good at carrying the weak.
Yet you normally play a TR instead? Are you trying to preserve the coolness?
Wtf are you talking about? Do you even know what "rotate" means? Do you even premade? who are you?
GWF is a triple prone high burst same as CW, thats why it's your "best friend", 6 prones, big crits.
Normally play TR? Nah, my TR is there when I have to kick peoples a$$, I play my CW way more than I play anything else.
I can still remember from my youth, when I played tabletop D&D, the best times I ever had was when my fellow players said "my premade can beat your premade!"
He's a good player and good at CW as well. He made a nice video showing the extent of CW capabilities.
It is just Neverwinter with the extremely dumb mentality that the wizard should be relegated to support. I wish the developers would make the class just as viable in 1vs1 and node holding as the HR at least, so I can go back and play it some more instead of using it to level professions out of boredom.
Agree and agree. OP isn't a bad player himself. He plays the CW class well. His arguments just sound HAMSTER though.
Neverwinter PVP is indeed imbalanced with CW being relegated to support and their CC abilities being nerfed through tenacity.
Normally play TR? Nah, my TR is there when I have to kick peoples a$$, I play my CW way more than I play anything else.
Yawn premade me premade me blah blah blah. You want to make another video of Jerkface carrying you through a match then highlighting the parts where you leech off everyone worrying about his perma-TR?
Go 1v1 someone like Gertylog with your CW and you will get smushed. But then again, you are too scared to 1v1 an elite GWF and instead have to rely on Jerkface or KingCalous carrying the team. But as with corporations and guilds alike, the real work is done by the lowerclass and the higher ups just sit there arguing like idiots while reaping the rewards:)
You say CW shouldn't be able to beat anyone 1v1? I say under the current 3node 5 player PVP format, it is a liability if you can't do that.
Either change the standard PVP match to 20vs20 wherein pansy supports are just as important or buff CW's 1v1 abilities.
Agree and agree. OP isn't a bad player himself. He plays the CW class well. His arguments just sound HAMSTER though.
Neverwinter PVP is indeed imbalanced with CW being relegated to support and their CC abilities being nerfed through tenacity.
Agreed. Nobody was ever saying donblacksheep is a terrible player. All I've seen are compliments based on his skills. His argument that the video proves CW is just as viable as any other class in PVP is just plain wrong though and I have to side with rashylewiss on this one. One look at the video and you can tell so many things wrong about it for someone to use as an argument that CW is on par with GWF or TR.
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I can still remember from my youth, when I played tabletop D&D, the best times I ever had was when my fellow players said "my premade can beat your premade!"
Well, let's look on the bright side. The next class is Warlock which will be full blown DPS. So everyone who can't handle anything but DPS with Icy Rays on tab will soon have another choice. It will be nice when the devs are more clear on what actual CWs want and why
I have CW which is 15.1k GS with full profound thaum and all rank 8-9 enchants, but no matter what versus perma stealth TR, GWF, or GF, if there not stationary capping a base while I attack from afar I normally have very little to no chance of winning strictly 1v1, no matter if they know what their doing or not
Yawn premade me premade me blah blah blah. You want to make another video of Jerkface carrying you through a match then highlighting the parts where you leech off everyone worrying about his perma-TR?
Go 1v1 someone like Gertylog with your CW and you will get smushed. But then again, you are too scared to 1v1 an elite GWF and instead have to rely on Jerkface or KingCalous carrying the team. But as with corporations and guilds alike, the real work is done by the lowerclass and the higher ups just sit there arguing like idiots while reaping the rewards:)
You say CW shouldn't be able to beat anyone 1v1? I say under the current 3node 5 player PVP format, it is a liability if you can't do that.
Either change the standard PVP match to 20vs20 wherein pansy supports are just as important or buff CW's 1v1 abilities.
You have no knowledge about pvp or premade, talking to you is a waste of time, who are you anyway?
You're a fail cw who can't do shiit, a forum player?
If i need to 1v1 someone like Greftylog i'll simply switch characters
CW is okay the way it is, you won't see any of the top cw's QQ'ing on the forums asking for buffs, although some buffs would be helpful indeed, but the whole point is that CW is not weaker compared to before tenacity.
People who QQ on the forums about CW's are just the fail unknown players like you, deal with the way the class is, or go play a no brain gwf and stop crying.
You have no knowledge about pvp or premade, talking to you is a waste of time, who are you anyway?
You're a fail cw who can't do shiit, a forum player?
If i need to 1v1 someone like Greftylog i'll simply switch characters
CW is okay the way it is, you won't see any of the top cw's QQ'ing on the forums asking for buffs, although some buffs would be helpful indeed, but the whole point is that CW is not weaker compared to before tenacity.
People who QQ on the forums about CW's are just the fail unknown players like you, deal with the way the class is, or go play a no brain gwf and stop crying.
But. But repel fails sometimes and I get hit in the face and icy rays doesn't hit hard without HV. And I can't use shard worth a HAMSTER. And I choose the wrong feats... But it's not my fault that they are underpowered. Fix my class please?
But. But repel fails sometimes and I get hit in the face and icy rays doesn't hit hard without HV. And I can't use shard worth a HAMSTER. And I choose the wrong feats... But it's not my fault that they are underpowered. Fix my class please?
Nobody ridiculed the playstyle. He plays the only viable premade spec out there, and he plays it good.
The only question marks were raised because having a Rank 10 PvP CW in a Rank 10 PvP team from the second best PvP guild on the game killing pugs that have no idea what they are doing means nothing.
If CW is that good, it should be able to go against others full rank 10 elite PvPers head to head. Some names were given, and it was admitted in the end that actually CW is nothing more than a support class and that pretty much each other class but a DC are better overall.
There's no reason CW should be able to go head to head against the best PvPers of classes designed to perform well in 1v1. It doesn't mean anything just because 1-3 of the best players of a different class can't be beaten 1v1.
A MMO's PvP can't be balanced around the single best players of every class, because it's almost guaranteed that they aren't equally skilled and one or more of them are better than the rest. Games are either balanced around the casual players or top competitive players, but the entire high-end comp scene in neverwinter is like 20 players, you can't balance a game around 20 players.
Yawn premade me premade me blah blah blah. You want to make another video of Jerkface carrying you through a match then highlighting the parts where you leech off everyone worrying about his perma-TR?
Go 1v1 someone like Gertylog with your CW and you will get smushed. But then again, you are too scared to 1v1 an elite GWF and instead have to rely on Jerkface or KingCalous carrying the team. But as with corporations and guilds alike, the real work is done by the lowerclass and the higher ups just sit there arguing like idiots while reaping the rewards:)
You say CW shouldn't be able to beat anyone 1v1? I say under the current 3node 5 player PVP format, it is a liability if you can't do that.
Either change the standard PVP match to 20vs20 wherein pansy supports are just as important or buff CW's 1v1 abilities.
You are really good at throwing all these guys names out there. Where do you fit on your own scale of awsomeness I wonder. I am thinking pretty low. I wonder if these players appriciate you naming them in your tear filled threads.
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You want to try to rotate to places where you got a good matchup, with classes that can work with you. HR/GWF/GF mainly.
The best friend of CW is probably a GWF, when your gWf is defending/contesting a node that you're going to clean, if you time your prones all together, theres nothing that can survive one rotation.
It is true that everything that a CW can do, a HR can almost do the same, plus it can hold nodes and beat people 1v1. But CW is still the only class that got that nasty shard ice knife combo, triple prone and huge damage.
And its the coolest class to play!
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
The control wizard class has an encounter called Icy Rays, heres a link for you:
http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Icy_Rays
"14.6s cooldown
Cold Damage
Blasts one or two targets with icy beams, briefly Immobilizing them and adding Chill.
The first cast of this spell puts a rune mark over your target. The second cast will fire at both the rune marked target, and your current target. Spell effectiveness is increased if both beams are fired at one target."
When you cast Icy Rays your opponent can't move, unless it's a TR with ITC up or a GWF with unstoppable up. As I am obviously not stupid i'm not gonna use it until I am sure that they don't have it right away.
NO, people don't STAND there, NO people don't WALK away, Why? Because I Icy Rays them, is it too hard to understand?
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
What's an encounter? Also, CWs suck.
Did you say just one?
You realize the entire video is an Enemy Team guild premade against no-name guilds right?
Even the lone EOA GWF he killed was kicked out.
So a CW leeching off a PVP guild premade got some kills. Whoop de doo
Come on, no need to pour salt over wounds
You mean they are good at going to nodes as long as no one is already there? Which class isn't good at that?
GWFs are good at carrying the weak.
Before the cc nerf CWs would use Entangling Force followed by shard to deal with them. It really was a "who shoots who first" type of battle. Post nerf Entangling is too short to cast the meatball before they move away. HR is a notoriously shifty class and good players keep moving. Icy Rays to meatball on HR was always a bad idea due to good HRs firing an interrupt immediately on ice root to cancel the followup meatball cast.
Yet you normally play a TR instead? Are you trying to preserve the coolness?
Personally I don't think we need premature buffs to CW with all the upcoming balance changes coming in Module 3. I'm guessing that is your fear and why you put so much effort behind the posts and creating the video is it not?
+1
Someone in this thread has a brain.
This right here is the most intelligent post in this entire thread and it is not even close
As seen on tv! :rolleyes:
Why you so trolly man?
That was the video though. Its a CW and his premade guild going through lesser skilled and geared players. I think he has a valid point.
Another classes has more control than CW, this is a fact. And how some people are saying, the job of the CW is control, but CW has no control in pvp.
The developers need, sure, change it or someday CW will be useless.
Excellent points
By the way, I'm still waiting for that video of from that someone who challenged me on his CW being able to control and kill any HR or GWF
(not OP, he backed out a long time ago. Hard to compete with TRs and GWFs unless his skilled guildmates carry him. But then again, someone as skilled and geared as Jerkface will spoil some people :rolleyes:)
He's a good player and good at CW as well. He made a nice video showing the extent of CW capabilities. And he's right about CW being the coolest class to play. Especially for him, since he almost never pugs and basically always rolls in full Rank 10 ET&friends parties.
He already admitted what a CW can do (less than a HR which can do the same, but better). And that a CW is unable to 1vs1 players at the same level of skill and gear from other classes but a DC. I might be able to kill a BiS GF on my BiS CW if I kite from 1 to 3, but on a node, no chance.
The video is nice, blacksheep is geared and skilled, but CW is not a class that one would play they want to own and be powerful.
By the way, in other MMOs I played, mages were not "just support" and weak on their own. I usually play rogues and fighters, and I lost lots of times in other games to mage-types, they were just as good at 1vs1 or 2vs2 or 5vs5.
It is just Neverwinter with the extremely dumb mentality that the wizard should be relegated to support. I wish the developers would make the class just as viable in 1vs1 and node holding as the HR at least, so I can go back and play it some more instead of using it to level professions out of boredom.
So much CC!
Nice vid. Slowing it down made things easier to follow for those who don't understand the power of CW.
Premade me, and you will see how every member of your premade will die to my ice knifes and shards.
How many times I will have to say that cw can't beat tr/gwf/hr (even most of the geared GF's too) in a 1v1?
How many times I will have to say that hr can do pretty much everything that a CW can, plus it can hold nodes and win 1v1's, stuff that cw can't?
How many times I will have to say that the whole point of this thread is just to show that CW is at the same spot as it always used to be? Disagree with me? It is simple, premade me, I will kill you in the same way I did with people on the video and laugh at you at the forum.
I am no unknown nooob, I can prove my words in-game.
Wtf are you talking about? Do you even know what "rotate" means? Do you even premade? who are you?
GWF is a triple prone high burst same as CW, thats why it's your "best friend", 6 prones, big crits.
Normally play TR? Nah, my TR is there when I have to kick peoples a$$, I play my CW way more than I play anything else.
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
I can still remember from my youth, when I played tabletop D&D, the best times I ever had was when my fellow players said "my premade can beat your premade!"
Agree and agree. OP isn't a bad player himself. He plays the CW class well. His arguments just sound HAMSTER though.
Neverwinter PVP is indeed imbalanced with CW being relegated to support and their CC abilities being nerfed through tenacity.
Yawn premade me premade me blah blah blah. You want to make another video of Jerkface carrying you through a match then highlighting the parts where you leech off everyone worrying about his perma-TR?
Go 1v1 someone like Gertylog with your CW and you will get smushed. But then again, you are too scared to 1v1 an elite GWF and instead have to rely on Jerkface or KingCalous carrying the team. But as with corporations and guilds alike, the real work is done by the lowerclass and the higher ups just sit there arguing like idiots while reaping the rewards:)
You say CW shouldn't be able to beat anyone 1v1? I say under the current 3node 5 player PVP format, it is a liability if you can't do that.
Either change the standard PVP match to 20vs20 wherein pansy supports are just as important or buff CW's 1v1 abilities.
Agreed. Nobody was ever saying donblacksheep is a terrible player. All I've seen are compliments based on his skills. His argument that the video proves CW is just as viable as any other class in PVP is just plain wrong though and I have to side with rashylewiss on this one. One look at the video and you can tell so many things wrong about it for someone to use as an argument that CW is on par with GWF or TR.
When this is your argument, you know you've lost
Red
Cafè Crêpe•Control Wizard
CRAZY MIKE - 14.6k PvE CW
Backbone - 16.7k PvP HR
[SIGPIC]http://i59.tinypic.com/s3hts7.png[/SIGPIC]
You have no knowledge about pvp or premade, talking to you is a waste of time, who are you anyway?
You're a fail cw who can't do shiit, a forum player?
If i need to 1v1 someone like Greftylog i'll simply switch characters
CW is okay the way it is, you won't see any of the top cw's QQ'ing on the forums asking for buffs, although some buffs would be helpful indeed, but the whole point is that CW is not weaker compared to before tenacity.
People who QQ on the forums about CW's are just the fail unknown players like you, deal with the way the class is, or go play a no brain gwf and stop crying.
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
But. But repel fails sometimes and I get hit in the face
Hahahaha I LoL'd so hard
Meatball - Control Wizard
Criminal Cheater - Hunter Ranger
<Enemy Team> Guild Leader.
A MMO's PvP can't be balanced around the single best players of every class, because it's almost guaranteed that they aren't equally skilled and one or more of them are better than the rest. Games are either balanced around the casual players or top competitive players, but the entire high-end comp scene in neverwinter is like 20 players, you can't balance a game around 20 players.
You are really good at throwing all these guys names out there. Where do you fit on your own scale of awsomeness I wonder. I am thinking pretty low. I wonder if these players appriciate you naming them in your tear filled threads.