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Are the current glory gains acceptable to you?
quitegonejin
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It used to be you would get in games back to back, they took about 15 min to play but you can get back into one right away, and a win was about 800 glory and a loss was 300-450.
Now, there's a 15 min to 20 min wait between games, a win is 450 glory, and a loss is 150.
This means if you win half the time you are getting about 600 glory in an hour.
Profound set = 129 000 glory. That means you need to do 215 hours of pvp, over half of which is waiting for pops, for a set of pvp gear.
With the old gains and queue times it would have been 1700 glory gain an hour as apposed to 600. That's 75 hours of pvp time, and more importantly, all of ti was pvp and almost none waiting around. This also doesn't account for the triumph seals of which you can only get 2 a day, nor the measly glory gains at low lvl pvp. But that is another gripe all together I think.
Now, there's a 15 min to 20 min wait between games, a win is 450 glory, and a loss is 150.
This means if you win half the time you are getting about 600 glory in an hour.
Profound set = 129 000 glory. That means you need to do 215 hours of pvp, over half of which is waiting for pops, for a set of pvp gear.
With the old gains and queue times it would have been 1700 glory gain an hour as apposed to 600. That's 75 hours of pvp time, and more importantly, all of ti was pvp and almost none waiting around. This also doesn't account for the triumph seals of which you can only get 2 a day, nor the measly glory gains at low lvl pvp. But that is another gripe all together I think.
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And it's true about queue time, which should be fixed asap (for pvp player a queue above 2 minute is already a pain in the a..).
Seals actually are a good idea. At least, as magenubbie said, nobody can reach full 2.5T set immediately.
And yes, you wont have the 4pc set, but if you take a toon in full t2 and rank 6-7's you will have 11k gs. but my point is you can adequately gear for all pve encounters in the game with 150k and some time spent looking for the right stats on the AH. For example; Buying 2x 2pc t1 and some rank 7's and blues is more then enough. In fact It's what I did when I came back to the game and had limited resources thanks to a friend pillaging my account.
So, my argument is more along the lines of, "do you think its ok that our glory slowed down by 66%" and not "lets compare it to pve as justification for this". They are two separate things imo.
matches per hour: 4 (this is what i did pre pvp patch, haven't had much chance since)
old numbers: Win 800 Loss 300
New numbers: Win 500 Loss 150
average amounts old: (800*4 + 300*4)/4 = anywhere from 1200 to 3200 glory per hour, average of 1100
Average Amounts new: (500*4 + 150*4)/4 = anywhere from 600 to 2000 glory per hour, average of 650.
Actually looking at these numbers I didn't realize how much of a change it actually was for dedicated pvper's. Its funny though as it is actually better for the non PVP crowd who only participates during the arena hour for the glory rewards as the extra rewards from dailies make it more profitible if you only do it sporadically.
I can see thought process of devs behind this change... it goes hand in hand with dread and sharandar where you get to do same crappy quests each day for ages and can't advance any faster then they decided for you to do it.
Well now no one can complain there is no endgame content and they have nothing to do like they would when they invested 100 times more time into the game then other people and killed new content right away, but I find this a cheap way to accomplish that. (for anyone new: 60 is not max level anymore, after you get to 60 in like 1 day playing time you then need weeks/months to get to true max level == having all boons AND you are only allowed to put less then 30 mins per day into this task)
I do like that we can now get glory from 3 PVP based dailies, so that helps offset though mostly I only get to complete 2 of the dailies
Also, I am less concerned about the time it takes me to get profound and more concerned that the cost is so high when the gains from Grim to Profound are so slight.
Ultimately...I'll live
- JailBreak (in development)
So right off the bat i had like ~ 97k glory ready to spend on new sets. Just had to collect the triumph seals and GG.
But I personally dont think its bad the way it is right now. You get less Glory from each win, but you still get a good boost from the daily quests X2. Also GG Glory and a BIG easy boost from Grym coins if you do many GGs per day!
I make 10k (sometimes up to 15k) Glory per day with only 10k GS.
My problem rather is that one can only get one Seal of Triumph per day. I have been using my Glory points for skulls and used them to refine my artefacts. I also sometimes buy T1 PvP gloves and salvage them for rough AD.
When I started with Neverwinter did I collect enough Glory to buy me the T1 PvP set once I had reached level 60. That was perfect timing.
If you are not making enough glory then it is because other players are better at PvP than you or they PvP more to make up for it. You should, too. It is after all a competition and not a dungeon or a skirmish.
To my knowledge neither the Rhix or Lord Neverember GG PVP quests give a seal of triumph. The only ones that do are the Domination master quest (inside TOB) and the 2 Daily compete in 4 domination match quests.
so its a maximum of 2 per day with an extra 1 once per week. so max 15 per week.
I understand Luskan's queue fast (I am luskan), but it makes you play the whole 30 minutes, so it doesn't occur to me how you go twice.
I have heard this is much better now that some of the pvp guilds switched over and is more competitive now but dont have enough play time lately to verify this.
and the pvp sessions last much longer b/c of Tenacity and penalties for leaving. Plus, imagine if they ever make their Elo-balance feature work! leading to balanced sessions. They would last for hours then.
Tired of Dailies/Tyranny of Dailies/Timers of Doom/Tricked Or Duped/Tremendously Obnoxious Dailies/Try Otherwise, Devs
Anyone who plays this game has a right to "complain" and voice their opinion on changes.
It has nothing to do with PvE. Prior to the changes, I could come home for lunch and play 4 matches to hit my dailies. The Glory rewards were high enough to make PvP worth my while, and I'd spend a couple nights a week playing PvP for a good amount of time with Guild mates. Now that the match times have increased and the wait times have increased, and the Glory awarded has decreased, it takes much longer to earn the same amount of Glory.
There are some people who don't care, and just want to PvP regardless, and from that point of view, the reward doesn't mean much, but to people like me, who aren't huge fans of PvP, but with a decent reward as a payoff, it was worth doing, and somewhat enjoyable with friends. For me, personally, the reward is no longer worth while, and though I might run through for my dailies from time to time, it's less and less likely that I spend whatever time I have available in Neverwinter on PvP.
- JailBreak (in development)
I have 8 character slots, two are empty for now. I have three characters that I play on a regular basis, and now want to add a fourth into the rotation. Between queue times and match length, running PvP for one character now eats up most of my daily play time on a week night.
Long, closely contested matches can be a lot of fun. Losing said match and getting less than 300 glory is not. Not being able to effectively work on 2 or 3 characters in terms of their development each day for 3-4 hours is difficult at best.