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Fix to Knight Captain Set
brcub
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Knight Captain Set needs to be fixed.
This isn't something new. It has been done in the past. Almost all of the compelling arguments regarding the "fix" to Stalwart Bulwark set are valid on this case as well.
Some of Cryptic arguments:
"We wanted to rework the set, making it comparable to other T<x>"
"Guardian fighter were made to be a Tank class"
"The set was used by 90% of GF and we wanted different kind of build"
"That set was too powerfull, even more than <Shar or DR set>"
"We will introduce a new set and want people to work for it"
That change was also condoned by some particularly verbal Protector GFs and I see no reason why shouldn't they approve this one as they felt GFs needed more protection oriented gear.
So the set bonus could be changed to something like the GF reduces damage taken by any party member by 20% and take half of that damage instead. While buffing is something that delves into the realm of Nature HRs, this one is very compatible with the Protection GF role and is very useful allowing for other party members to act more recklessly. I believe it suits well those Protection GFs that particularly feels the strength of party damage reduction powers like knight's valor and knight's challenge are the reason some GFs like them perform exceptionally well and really can contribute to a party.
Another option for the set bonus would be a buff that redirects combat damage bonus suffered by party members to the GFs reflecting the class design feature of being exceptional at taking powerful thrusts from behind.
This isn't something new. It has been done in the past. Almost all of the compelling arguments regarding the "fix" to Stalwart Bulwark set are valid on this case as well.
Some of Cryptic arguments:
"We wanted to rework the set, making it comparable to other T<x>"
"Guardian fighter were made to be a Tank class"
"The set was used by 90% of GF and we wanted different kind of build"
"That set was too powerfull, even more than <Shar or DR set>"
"We will introduce a new set and want people to work for it"
That change was also condoned by some particularly verbal Protector GFs and I see no reason why shouldn't they approve this one as they felt GFs needed more protection oriented gear.
So the set bonus could be changed to something like the GF reduces damage taken by any party member by 20% and take half of that damage instead. While buffing is something that delves into the realm of Nature HRs, this one is very compatible with the Protection GF role and is very useful allowing for other party members to act more recklessly. I believe it suits well those Protection GFs that particularly feels the strength of party damage reduction powers like knight's valor and knight's challenge are the reason some GFs like them perform exceptionally well and really can contribute to a party.
Another option for the set bonus would be a buff that redirects combat damage bonus suffered by party members to the GFs reflecting the class design feature of being exceptional at taking powerful thrusts from behind.
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HAHAHA companions xD!!! Wow, that just put EVERYTHING in prospective for me lol!
As GF we are actually able to only do 2 thing better than other class : kitting and -boosting party with knight capitain set and into the fray encounter.
This KC set is the only reason for high GS party to search for à GF : remove it, and it will be the GF class you will remove.
And wtf about a set redirecting party dammages to the GF. ? We are not able to survive to KV, why use %@#! Set like that ?
No **** just balance KC, a T1 set should'nt be more viable than a T2/T2.5 set. Cryptic used this argument to rework SB and they will sure do it again with KC.
Don't fall that deep just to get into a party guys ... It sucks and in the end, you're not enjoying beeing something close to slave.
Find a guild that do not have a bad minding about this game and accept that cleaning speed isn't everything.
In my experimentation as the game is right now there are only 2 sets that are worthwhile. The knight captain set to give you more of a support role and the Guantlegrym set which is the closest thing we have to a tanking set in the game. Knight captain gives us an excellent party buff and the GG set allows for movement speed which is game changing to our class
Rather then "fix" the knight captain set I would like to see cryptic make the other sets actually worthwhile. Sets that give further buffs/debuffs would give us a greater role in high end group content but the fact is cryptic needs to change its design philosophy and make dungeons viable for GFs for us to really have a role in the game. No amount of set adjustments is going to change the way GFs are right now
This was suggested as a reasonable approach in the case of the Stalwart Bulwark. In fact arguments very similar to the ones in previous posts on this thread were presented back then. Now KC set is in that very same situation that warranted the nerf.
It's already been fixed, it used to be available at lvl 49 and stacked.
I see many cries of anguish that if they nerf KC, guardians will more or less become outcasts...and I must say, I completely agree. I mean, if not for that buff, what is the point of the guardian? Kiting and tanking? The first is limited to a few encounters, and the second is almost never neccesary, or even desirable.
However, other people say that it is stupid that a T1 set is the best setup by a large margin....and I must say I completely agree. For obvious reason.
The "high road" would be nerfing KC to a reasonable effect, while increasing the class effectiveness to make up for that. This in turn, more or less requires redoing all the content to make tanking actually interesting. Since that's NOT going to happen, I propose a much simpler change:
Swap the effects of Knight Captain and High General. It is a net win no matter what:
- Makes a T2 the set to get, as it should be.
- Actually BUFFS GFs, by allowing us to use the significatively higher stats of the High General set while fullfiling our role.
At the same time, BUFF the other T2 sets to give them effects that stand a shadow of a chance Vs the almighty +60% power.
DO NOT, under any circunstances, undermine the effectiveness of the buff, as it will effectively bury the class.
Still, I'd definitely add my +1 to the peeps saying some of the other sets need a boost.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Actually I use Timeless as my personal/use-if-party-sucks/PvP set and find that my defense is not all that different and my offense is... well it's there. lol. I of course still stand by what I said. If they did boost all the other sets I would not mind keeping my KC set, but Timeless would be more viable for high end team play.
I love my Antiquated Knight Captain's set.
But I mostly wear Timeless with a highly geared group that doesn't need the boost and would rather my GF kill things more quickly.
It IS starting to look like GG. They have added the class specific artifacts so that everyone has an excuse to level a GF to 60, but that's it. They are pretty much declaring they don't want us in dungeon.
So, going to level that wiz to 60 and start the boring grind, I guess.
They also reworked how powers works: How this affects Knight's Captain overall, it might still be a nerf, but the power change can't even be seen yet to fully tell.
yeah looks like they only listen to few cw spamers and balance game on them no way gwf or hr will be able to out dps them any more or gf buff better then them so they got what they wanted i hope they are happy now
RIP Knight Captain GF.
Anyway seems I am qq ranting... More power and salute to gf users!!!
I would love to know where you got those numbers from. They seem incredibly exaggerated to say the very least.
I don't know the exact numbers but as of now, roughly 40-45% of my damage comes from deep gash. According to a recent post by gentlemancrush the reworked feat totaled up to a mere 5% of total damage done.
So, I'm curious. All these newly buffed feats allegedly not only make up for the 30%+ of damage lost but also add another "50-60%" on top? I call serious bull on that.
Just for clarification. I don't disagree with the planned GWF changes but with your numbers there.
Back on topic:
Unless they add some magical new damage modifiers to power like 1000 power = 10% damage increment I don't see the point in destroying yet another GF set. It's not like there are too many viable options to choose from. So, dear devs. Before you pull this off please go ahead, /console a GF with 22k GS and spam /LFG trying to get into a dungeon group. Now, if someone will send you a tell after 5 minutes of waiting it will basically be some form of "Are you running the KC set?" If your reply doesn't positively respond to that question you can go ahead and wait another 5 minutes for the next guy to pose you the same question. Rinse and repeat.
Why would you take that last little straw the GFs can cling to: Being a team buffer with barely any other contribution. I seriously don't get it. Have you ever actually played the game asides of 5-min test runs? Enlighten me. Stop with the nerf madness and actually think about different means to address gameplay issues. Have you tried creating variety by buffing now inferior gear sets, feats and powers - heck even classes? Start giving us alternatives to play with, stop taking em. We're here for a fun experience after all, not for a second job.
This.
Developers, please don't screw over the GF again.
Poor tab power, aggro that can't override high DPS classes, low damage potential, paragon path that's in essence been given to the GWF so THEY can be better tanks than the GF...
They've already taken away the Stalwart Bulwark which allowed GFs to at least compete with high DPS classes. Now they could be taking away the only piece of armor we have that allows us a solid benefit to other party members.
Even with the adjustments to Anvil of Doom and others (coupled with the decrease in damage to frontline surge), the class still is far behind in damage output. Dunno what the developers are thinking, but it doesn't seem to be about the GF...
"GF (retired)"
sorry bout that may have been too much exaggeration of damage but there is:
Destroyer's Purpose: This feat now grants an additional effect. When you deal damage while Unstoppable, you gain a stack of Destroyer's Purpose (max 20). Each stack of Destroyer's Purpose increases your damage by 1%. Destroyer's Purpose lasts 20 seconds."
Executioner's Strike: Indomitable Battle Strike now deals a bonus 6/12/18/24/30% bonus damage as the target's health diminishes (up from 2/3/6/8/10%).
Focused Destroyer: This feat now grants an additional .5/1/1.5/2/2.5% bonus damage per stack of Destroyer.
Relentless Battle Fury: This feat now grants an additional effect. Activating Roar, Takedown, or Battle Fury now grants you Relentless. Relentless causes you to ignore an additional 1/2/3/4/5% of the target's resistance. Relentless lasts 5 seconds.
Student of the Sword: This feat has been redesigned. Your Critical Strikes now lower your target's Damage Resistance to your attacks by 1/2/3/4/5%
destroyers purpose upto +20% damage
Executioners strike upto +30% damage
Focused destroyer 2.5% damage per stack
relentless ignores 5% armor
stud of sword 5%
Sorry i just added all of them so that came to my 50-60%inc damage which is kinda unfair though, not considering the nerf on deep gash
Most of the KC viability came from the bugged Deep Gash. Now that this is fixed, the whole effect of KC has to be reevaluated.
if i have 7k power and gf with kc in team he could improve it to 11.2k so by 4.2kpower =168 damage boost and now with new change should be 15% of 7k and this is by 1050 and this means 1050k power should give 168 damage with new power changes for this not to be nerf so new power multiplier should be every 6.25 power we get 1 damage at least to kc set be good as it is atm