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lazuree
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I play a fair amount of pvp... and while I understand we are not equally geared it is no excuse for someone to call someone a hacker or cheater etc etc. Here is an interaction from a random pug pvp in which I solo queued. I used exaltation giving me that brief immunity frame which people are apparently unaware of. Throughout the match, he called me a hacker...
[Zone] x: would you mind if we 4v1 the DC to see if we can do any damage to him
after this 1 v 2 since the rest of his team didn't feel like attacking me, I came to the realization he did no damage because his ice knife hit me for a deflected value of 163
[Tell] From [x]: no worries already reported you. Even if you are not cheating your build needs to be fixed
While some my be under the perception my build is broken... I die to gwfs 1 v 1, cw's 1 v 1, proned forever by gf's etc
tl;dr Getting blamed for having an OP build because of another player's inadequacy to do damage is kind of silly; In the eyes of a pug pvper, every class is broken
[Zone] x: would you mind if we 4v1 the DC to see if we can do any damage to him
after this 1 v 2 since the rest of his team didn't feel like attacking me, I came to the realization he did no damage because his ice knife hit me for a deflected value of 163
[Tell] From [x]: no worries already reported you. Even if you are not cheating your build needs to be fixed
While some my be under the perception my build is broken... I die to gwfs 1 v 1, cw's 1 v 1, proned forever by gf's etc
tl;dr Getting blamed for having an OP build because of another player's inadequacy to do damage is kind of silly; In the eyes of a pug pvper, every class is broken
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But people like to whine... I did it once in the beginning when new to NW-PVP.... and was embarrassed by my stupidity. Now I play every class... and now I know. And knowing is half the battle! <- for those that understand this reference... you are old!
there's also massively unbalanced classes...
to get to this point of tankinessI had to:
re-level a cleric min/max my con
add on many r9 radiants for hp in order to survive
sacrifice more time than I needed to in Sharandar/Dread ring b/c tanky clerics cannot kill anything quickly lol
So you are admitting that there are actual unbalances which was my point.
There will always be players who think something is OP just because they lost to it. Doesn't change the fact there are certain specs/classes that are far too effective compared to the rest.
Well that's a bit of an unfair statement , I'm sure that there are plenty of players who pug that are completely aware of the games mechanics and the strengths and weaknesses of each class.
Getting matched up against players with an equal or greater sense of awareness would be wonderful, so I can't wait for the Elo Matchmaking System. Not like the trash-talking and hacking accusations will be completely removed but at the very least the match-making should be reduced.
Jugger Conq GF
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I'll say.
The whole point of coming up with something different for PvP was because I was just bored and sick and tired with the same-ol' same-ol' MI/perma-build.... and still, around maybe 3~4 times out of 10, the people I knock out goes; "lol you coward permastealth TR OP!" or "!*@#% ITC is so OP" ...
At first I actually tried to explain that I'm not a perma, and I don't even have ITC... but then I realized most of them don't really care. They just need to blow steam that way. :rolleyes:
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
People who've been playing PvP for a long time are usually familiar with the process of how someone actually becomes a good player.
Most of us all started out similarly, thinking the system is screwed up, balance is shi*, cheaters and hackers everywhere, and etc etc.. but then, as we gain experience we learn a bit of humility as we start realizing the fact that we aren't actually as good as we think. Only from that point on, when we acknowledge that we simply suck, that we really begin to understand PvP and learn stuff and get better.
Empirically speaking, my guess is around 70~80% of people who play PvP in any genre, any MMO, never pass that stage. They are the ones with way too much pride, way too strong egos, and yet way to weak skill level -- usually causes a huge misconception in their minds that they are good players, and they would win fights -- if only someone or something would not unfairly screw them over.
It's just a part of the learning curve, the first real "passage point" where the "scrubs" and "people with potential" are filtered and separated.
(ps) Ofcourse, we must also take into consideration that trash-talking is a time-honored tradition of PvP
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
I'd really not like to get banned for stupid reasons
idc what people say about me or else I wouldn't sit in the pmvspm channel
according to the Terms of Service, it is at PWE's sole discretion what they consider to be cheating or exploiting and they will do a full investigation when someone is reported. it is my understanding that PWE won't take action based on a user report only. if that were true, i could report anyone knowing they'd get a temp ban. exactly what PWE's stipulations are exactly, we do not have knowledge of. but there's no need to start spreading false rumors about people getting banned based on reports alone. there has to be proof of said report.
Then there are people who starts calling your nub when they finally kill you with a 2v1. Too many haters in this world.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
With that being said, an argument could be made for not allowing any form of "invulnerability" "CC" etc in PVP. Mechanic or not CC is not fun. It often comes down to ping and who gets their cc off first, etc. etc. At the end of the day it's not fun getting hammered when you are cc'd nor is it fun trying to dish out damage to an invulnerable player.
The annoying thing is when you try to be nice to them and give them some sound advice, such as capping points is the objective of a PvP match, then they start calling you weak for running away when they don't know I'm trying to drag them off the point after I've capped it.
I'm quite used to these players, and they don't usually get to me, but trying to help bad players that have ego problems is a very tough thing to do.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
Really?
So timed shields or CC that require skill is not OK?
And I thought that good use of CCs and invulnerabilities is one of the criteria differentiating pros from amateurs.
Oh well. Better we just go smashing at each other, who has the biggest DPS wins.
i'll just let the ToS speak for itself:
this says on a case-by-case basis, it is within their discretion and if there is any specific policy, it is internal and proprietary. let's say they operated on a three strike rule and any infractions were flagged as a strike. if i knew that, then that means i could break the rules twice before i had to behave. this is entirely the reason why these things are at their discretion.
all you need to know is what the ToS and the EULA says and make sure you're not doing anything to violate them. if a bug gives you an unfair advantage, you using it is at your own risk. however i'm sure there is some common sense to apply to this. something like the tenebrous enchant bug was a known issue and not working as intended but i doubt anyone got banned for it. compare this the whole caturday thing and that's something that you could get banned for.
if anyone has any further questions about the ToS or wants to discuss the above, please send me a PM.
Guess every GWF should be banned for using deep gash for the last 3 months =P
if a class mechanic has an identified bug and a confirmation that it's going to be fixed, then i would doubt that anyone would be getting banned for it. not all bugs are confirmed. sometimes they're ninja patched.
Yeah this one in particular has been proven to be a bug and comes up in every GWF = OP class thread but seems to be ignored. lol
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very, very few good PvPers have heard the term ''humility''. Especially those that play a certain class. I've been taunted by highly-geared players from one of the game's prominent PvP guilds. I've had some of these dbags jump the spawn point to kill me as I re-spawn.
In my experience, few geared PvPers are humble. Their egos are nearly as OP as their IV Sents.