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GWF lack of a proper dodge/shift
dllindsey12
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as the title says, i noticed that this class has a lack of a proper dodge. sprint is very nice if you want to run and catch up to some mob and run away from something...but trying to dodge the red circle on the ground is almost impossible to do. anyone else feel the same way?
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You might want to use Mighty Leap which could be used to dodge reds, but that also means wasting an Encounter slot.
However, many times on a GWF you don't want to sprint out of red aoe since taking damage is your main way to gain Unstoppable, which in turn reduces further damage to you and is a large damage buff.
For all the other times when you do need to sprint,
- Tip 1: you have to learn to differentiate between tankable aoe and dangerous aoe and build your character so as to be able to soak just enough damage to help you. There is a reason why GWF's are given the most HP on gear sets and large defensive flexibility.
- Tip 2: you also have to learn not to use up too much of your Stamina bar from wasting Sprint. The previous point helps you with that as well as using tricks like just starting to move and "tap sprint"early in and out of aoe (*).
- Tip 3: the Encounter Mighty Leap can be used to dodge serious aoe or if you are kiting many mobs with dangerous CC.
- Tip 4: the Daily Avalanche of Steel can also be used make you damage and CC-immune (though not against certain boss abilities for the latter).
- Tip 5: GWF has the highest mobility of all classes. It has other mobility options like Battle Fury (full stamina refill), Punishing Charge and Savage Advance. At least one entire aspect of the class is built around managing that mobility. So, use it when you need it.
With all these tools, do not expect GWF's to ever be a "dodging class". You simply would not want it, once you understand how the class works and you will sometimes miss them dearly while playing other classes, e.g. the other poor Fighter class whose name I can never remember.(*) Tap sprint explained:
Often an aoe splat will land, then some players wait just before the actual aoe lands to start sprinting. This will often get them caught anyway, even if they just sprint out of the splat area (this may be due to server desync or client latency or lag). So, they start adapting by sprinting larger distances away, wasting Stamina for when it may be needed for real emergencies later. This habit also can come from having your previous class being a dodging class where it is very advantageous, in general, to dodge as late as possible due to immunity frames immediately after dodging.
Instead, what a GWF can do (or should do in some circumstances), is the opposite: tap sprint earlier after an aoe splat arrives and then sprint back in just as the actual aoe lands or immediately after. You will take no damage or CC then and your target uptime will be noticeably higher, which means more damage or threat done.
So on top of all that defense, all that damage, a Determination based God-Mode that is super-easy to engage that halves incoming damage before it even hits the defense layer as well granting total CC-immunity, three knock-prones which are among the longest duration CCs in the game...
...and now you also want a dodge on top of it?
The impression I get is the system gave the class all the goodies mentioned above so it doesn't require a dodge in the first place. I'd dare venture a comment that if you need dodge on top of all of that, then you're using the class wrong.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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Jugger Conq GF
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Healing has nothing to do with unstoppable. its based on damage taken.
I'm bugged then, with dc in party I rarely take enough damage to go unstoppable, even tanking bosses.
Jugger Conq GF
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It's simply based on any amount of damage received on any defensive layer -- so even if DCs are using temp-HP shielding on you, or even if they just instantly heal off whatever small amount of damage you receive, the collective, set amount will build determination...
...which brings me to another idea on how to tone down GWFs. Maybe let determination only build up on damage receoved on "true-HP", and not "temp-HP" layers.
We'll just have to see what mod3 brings.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
AS gives you a +DR buff. 20% IIRC. So you take less. Clerics have some damage debuffs for enemies too. Which again would slow your Determination gain.
As problems go though, that's a pretty good one to have.
GWFs are built to stand their ground and take it like the warrior they are. Basically a GWF gets stronger the more damage they take.
Even without a DC. Sharandar or Dread ring solo quests, Unstoppable can only be activated *after* the fight is over. For the onlooker it sure must look weird to see a gwf going unstoppable only between the fights. "This gwf is trolling the game", the onlooker will think.
And they wouldn't like it when you're angry.
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Trust me: when you reach level 60 and get T2 or better gear, you'll be looking for red circles to stand on so you can build determination quickly - good geared GWF are pretty much unkilable in PvE.
I find a lot of it on my IV sent is her deflection and defense. She just... doesn't take damage. S'ok because she doesn't need to pop Unstoppable for any of those fights anyway.
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GWFs also lack the ability to do stealthy teleports which stuns everyone in 100 meters because of GWF's awesomeness.
No.
Never.
Suck it up and swing that huge blade of yours instead.
Dodge... bah humbug!
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being able to take a hit is what any gwf is meant to do its such a neadertholic class.
every encounter nay, everything the IV does is meant to knock or help with knocking no ifs, ands, or buts, about it.
all the data in the world wont change this.
I just want to point out GF's actually have more prones, and that the prones are only part of pvp for IV's. In pve you won't be using takedown or frontline surge that often as there are much better encounters to deal with trash and bosses so this is kind of misleading.
I cant even imagine trying to fight a GWF who could dodge an attack, they already crazy op in pvp as it is,, in PVE I get but again if the Gear is right you shouldn't have to worry about blocking mobs.