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jaotut
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I'm quite disappointed at how MC and VT are so easy as end game dungeons if everyone in the party is well geared. I think it will be great to have some really tough dungeons or 10 man raids designed for 13K GS and above, which is quite easy with artifacts.
It'll be great to have randomly spawn mini bosses, more strategies. Something like epic DV will be a good start.
It'll be great to have randomly spawn mini bosses, more strategies. Something like epic DV will be a good start.
Merlin - CW Merlyn - HR Psylocke - TR Black Widow - GWF
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What I think may work...perhaps with each module, do what I have seen in other games...the final tier/endgame gear cannot be purchased or crafted, and only drops in the final dungeons/raids. This would allow the people that wish to buy their accomplishments the chance to purchase them up to a point, but also those that enjoy the challenge and earning their gear that opportunity without being overlooked for the player that bought all the best of the best right off the bat. I've that work fairly well in other games anyway, that seemed to have a higher population than this one.
Not true - Fomorian (MC) and Fallen Dragon (VT) have the most stats for main hand, and to get them doesn't require even setting foot in the dungeon, just buying the fragments and crafting assets. And to get the offhand you don't have to kill the final boss (for some classes).
So yes, it is true that in this game, for some classes, you can get the absolute best weapons in the game without ever laying eyes on Valindra or Fulminorax.
They're far from the best sets for every class and spec, as you suggested. But perhaps I worded poorly....You can certainly buy your way into *some* of the best gear in the game and make content trivial, which obviously many enjoy that method, but not all.
I suppose my point was that a final definitive tier that cant be bought, would sort of level the playing field. The speed at which you got to the point where you could enter that tier would differ, but buying a lot of zen wouldn't make that final tier a complete joke.
Why MD? Because the PUG you'll get into likely has no idea how to approach the fight, will barely meet the GS and will most likely mess up any kind of strategy. The difficulty here will be to teach a group of strangers to work like a team and working with whatever class composition you get.
Bring 4-5 stacks of healing potions.
Once (if) the exploits fixed, dungeons will not appear too easy any more.
My point is once people are geared, there's no real end game dungeon. The so called end game dungeons now can be completed with no DC quite easily.
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Pretty much true of all (recent) MMOs.
Perhaps they could allow you to flag a character at creation as 'Hardcore'. This is a perma-death version where you cannot use the AH, trade or receive mail or AD.
Maybe even a timed challenge? (though that would probably favor CW stacking too much)
1 - the possibility of increasing the level of the dungeon if you go in with a pre formed group.
2 - create a dungeon with traps in the style of the damage zones of valindra. would be six traps along an infested dungeons, each of which can only be disarmed by a specific class (one of them inevitably would have to be addressed).
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By then i had arround 13k GS as a DC and i said that when people will be geared with the new module gear we will kill her VERY easly.... people didnt belive me and now i do VT 5x times in 1 hour.
When they test in the preview server people tend to forget that they are fighing new content with their current gear... with time and with new module progression people will have much better GS and Devs rly must take that in consideration.
Its normal for any MMO that u gear up first so u can be able to kill the "last boss", so its perfect normal when new content comes out that people wont be able to kill it. But in neverwinter things work diferent, people test new content at preview, say its to hard and cryptic nerf it.... After 1-2 months we are creating posts like this one, how easy content is....
Since games became mass media and open to all kind of target consumers, the difficulty has become a joke IN ALL GAMES, but specially mmo's are culprits, i agree, long grinds are lame, but at least give long time gamers a difficulty scale to choose, and please, that scale should not be : A easy, B easier, C inmune to all damage, D we complete it for you, please keep buying our stuff.
Impressive. I cannot even complete one epic DV in the same time. Queue system keeps putting me in groups where two people have declined already. I haven't tried VT at all yet. But MC, yes, with a Legit Community PUG. We could not even enter the dungeon, as we consistently wiped against the outdoors trash mobs.
On the other hand, maybe the Dread ring and Sharandar minidungeons are too easy. You facetank Jawbones without ever using a potion, you think you're powerful, you try a dungeon delve, you wipe.
Yeah I remember your predictions
For most player base, which are casuals with bad specs and abysmal damage/tanking/healing, Val is nearly impossible. Considering I'm coming from a game with an elite raiding culture where only 1% or even less managed to complete the raids on heroic difficulty when they were current content, I can understand this. But somehow, Neverwinter doesn't feel that similar to that other game, it feels more of a casual action MMO, instead of a hardcore raiding MMO.
Anyway, Merlin is right, we need more difficult dungeons, with BETTER rewards. Cause I won't touch a harder MC is I still get blue drops... ever, for example.
Please continue.
Nerfing vorpal wouldn't make antyhing harder in the pve aspect of the game.....hell, vorpal isn't even the best pve enchantment despite people acting it's the be all, end all enchant.
Without being too specific and taking only tooltips into account.
A Perfect Vorpal gives 1 person an aditional 50% damage on crit..... a Perfect Plague Fire at 3 stacks gives an aditional 45% damage to everyone on the party on every single hit being it a crit or not. Witch makes much superior in pve terms.
Vorpal is like gs in this game, people go crazy when they see big numbers and forget that this is a team game and that there are others things that need to be taken into account.
PF gives defense reduction which does not correspond to damage increase.
I believe people who have done the maths have found that for personal DPS, Perfect Vorpal > Greater Plaguefire, but a GPF increases everyone's damage so it is ideal to have one in a party.
Like I said, without being too specific and taking only tooltips into account xD
P. Plaguefire at 3 stacks equals a total of 9% mitigation reduction witch in turn equals a total of 9% of increased damage dealt to the target by every single hit.
But even then, having a P. Vorpal also does not equal to an increased 50% personal dps at the end of a dungeon, it's more like around a 10% increase in high a crit build.
Not to forget that Terror also stacks with Plague fire, giving an aditional 4% mitigation reduction so, havinging both in the party would be the ideal scenario.
On a side note, 3 stacks of Plague Fire are, from my personal experience, quite easy to achieve on almost every occasion...but that can change according to playstyle/party composition.
Please stop talking if you have no idea what you're talking about.
it gives 25% and to extremly high crtic builds 50% crtic chance
as for to easy dungeons u can easy make them hard by your self do not use hp pots bring 1 cw instead of 2-3 i do not see why would devs need to make harder dungeons when none even plays one a bit harder we have atm epic dv if ppl like hard dungeons why then none play it?think this threads and ppl who makes them mostly do so to can brag araound how they have op gear and everything is easy for them but this is the same ppl who do not play anything if their team is not 17k+perfect armor and weapons gems