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PvE TR - Executioner P.Bile vs P.Vorpal

rojasiusrojasius Member Posts: 28 Arc User
edited February 2014 in The Thieves' Den
Hey Guys,

I would like to get your opinions on the TR's Executioner tree under MI path as opposed to the Executioner tree under WK. Do you think it is still worth it in a dungeon (MI EX)? Just seems that a TR can have mad crit and ArP with 4k power but still does not do that much dmg?

Another thing in a dungeon. P.Bile vs P.Vorpal? I have used both and like both but yea what do you guys think?

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  • chemboy613chemboy613 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    HM,

    TR do good damage to big single targets, so they tend to be really useful where those are, so TR is actually quite good in MC for the clear and for the boss fights.

    While I didn't put the P.Bile on my TR, I had one on my HR and i was very underwhelmed in PvE.

    My impression is that if you are PS/Int/Rec kind of build, then P.Bile is BIS for PvP, where as more bursty TR should be using the P.Vorpal.

    I also think the vorpal seems better for PvE than the bile, but that's based off of HR data more so than comparing on TR (i have P.Vorpal and I don't want to take it off).
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  • rojasiusrojasius Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Hello,

    I am a PvP rogue but I can tank bosses at the same time. I am using the bile ATM and I dunno it seems as if its working? But obviously I dont get the massive spikes as I do with my PvE TR running the vorp. i dunno maybe the bile doesnt work that well in a dung? Thanks for your reply though. But you say the bile aint that good on your HR?
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  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Executioner = p.vorpal, scoundrel = p.bilethorn.

    But still, I think p.vorpal is better for PvE in any case.
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  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    Executioner = p.vorpal, scoundrel = p.bilethorn.

    But still, I think p.vorpal is better for PvE in any case.

    Actually, Scoundrel = Terror or Plaguefire

    Synergizes very, very well with the feat [Cat's Paw Style]. Compared to that, Bilethorn doesn't really add much effect to Scoundrel builds. Although, admittedly, this applies more to WK/Scoundrel builds, and perhaps less so for MI/Scoundrel builds... in which case, WK/Scoundrel actually deals less damage with Vorpal, than with Plaguefire or Terror.
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  • todesfaelletodesfaelle Member Posts: 1,370 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Vorpal works for any class that stacks crit. P. Bile works for us TR's the best because of how fast we can stack it with Duelist's Flurry and Cloud of Steel.

    Hehe. Still remember the days when people laughed at you for using Bile and not Vorp. Also, I highly recommend you to invest on a Plaguefire if you're going to be PVP-ing a lot. Buy maybe 4 Lessers, build it up to Greater if in budget. It should get pricier as soon as the PVP patch hits because people will realize that Tenacity will be mitigating too much burst from Vorpal (Crit Suppression + DR from Defense, AC, Tenacity). Flat damage is the way to go. Terror works too, but we can stack 3 stacks of PF quickly.

    Bile's position won't change though. It's still very good. Bleed your opponents dry with DF and Bile.
  • demonmongerdemonmonger Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,350 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    where do you find pf enchantments?
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  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    They come from lockboxes but you can buy them on the Auction House. Unlike other enchants there isn't a shard version or perfect version, just lesser, 'normal' and greater.
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  • iarus87iarus87 Member Posts: 62
    edited February 2014
    Bile is "bursty", PF is more debuffing...maybe highest damage is reached with PF (def reduction will encrease also its own damage, right?), but playing against BT is a pain in the @ss...if i've had enough AD, i'd try PF for sure
  • xyntrynz1axyntrynz1a Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 243 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2014
    What about the Holy Avenger?
    That sounds like it would be good for damage and be a good team enhancement at the same time
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My understanding of Holy Avenger is that the % chance plus cooldown means it will invariably proc when you don't need it. :P

    But that it can actually work as an addition to a group if you're trying get a variety of enchantment buffs going.

    (I use a normal Holy Avenger on my DC, mostly because it was cheap to make.)
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  • todesfaelletodesfaelle Member Posts: 1,370 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'd go for Holy Avenger simply because it looks cool. I'm currently working my way to making a normal one just for the looks, but the damage it adds to your attacks are considerably good.
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