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zxorn
Member Posts: 160 Bounty Hunter
There's been an annoyance with immune to CC effects for over half a year now, since release. Abilities interrupting you for a second even while you're immune to them.
So I wouldn't be surprised if the Hunter Ranger's Vine effects were overlooked in the CC table. I'm just curious if this is intended, I don't see how an encounter power should ever overpower a daily power and especially a class mechanic that specify they ignore those specific effects.
P.S. Soulforged is STUPID good.
So I wouldn't be surprised if the Hunter Ranger's Vine effects were overlooked in the CC table. I'm just curious if this is intended, I don't see how an encounter power should ever overpower a daily power and especially a class mechanic that specify they ignore those specific effects.
P.S. Soulforged is STUPID good.
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Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
Why the heck should an entire classes core mechanic be reworked just because of a new classes single CC ability?
Why GWF in particular? Why not make it go through Guard? Why not remove dodge immunity frames from all the other classes?
Why not have "vines"/"binding arrow"/whatever-the-heck-this-op-ability-is-called break all CC immunity (and it probably does)?
This is a new class. It is clearly meant to co-exist with current classes which have been around for along time and already balanced around each other and the current game. Having a new ability that breaks all these things is what makes no sense.
How in Faerun this got past Preview I have no idea and I, like many others, have Bug Reported it on Live.
I haven't checked if Vines break against Impossible to catch yet, I haven't been playin my rogue since Gtene penetrates ITC as well as dodges, it kinda forces TR into a stealth play which I don't like. I prefer dodging.
I know that Vines don't break for GF Daily though.
My HR is still lvl 30 and Ive noticed Vines are pretty much they're strongest move in PvP it completely shuts down both fighters though does little to other range classes. So even though I mostly play melee I'm fine with it's current strength. It's just that mechanics wise it's misleading, lazy and simply doesn't make any sense.
Well the new class has to be attractive. Even more so when there is already the TR.
yea HR is sooo balanced...
TR crit me that way quite often... nerf TR too?
Bet you didnt once check, or realize what debuffs were on you. Not to mention the ArP of the person hitting you.....
Having a CC ability, especially an Encounter, go through CC immunity has nothing to do with damage. As as a Fighter, especially GWF, you are a sitting duck because of this skill regardless of the incoming damage. Cannot attack, cannot escape, you just sit there like a big fat "sponge" and take it - probably from multiple sources too...
As a CW I am experiencing just a wee bit of schadenfreude. Wait, so the TR's "IWIN" button no longer works? HAHAHA
For now few know how to fight the HRs, I don't for example although they seem quite easy kills even with perfects (things might change with better armors/weapons).
As for how much they hit, one managed to one shot me once so it was a 21K+ crit I wasn't at full HP. Seems a bit too high, but I got hit by TRs for 19K Impact Shot or 27K Lashing Blade. GFs hit for 20K+ just as easily. My Icy Rays hit squishies for up to 16K on tab, and shard a bit lower.
All of these abilities should be toned down significantly for PvP only, all of them are lame cheese moves.
The HR was in the Preview for a month(?) for testing and stuff, yet nobody gave a gosh darn. And now, for the weeks to come, dozens of "NERF EET NAO!!1!1!" threads will spread across the forums, to entirely ruin the class.
The HR is squishy as heck. If a IV GWF catch him (which actually isnt impossible, thank you to Threatening Rush), the HR is 100% dead. Even if it has 10 shifts, itll still be dead. Can tell the same about CWs. Aimed Shot is a truck, but any hit will interrupt it. If ure getting hit by a HR charging Aimed Shot, then u deserve whats coming. The only way a HR can stand a chance against a IV GWF (or even a TR on ItC) IS with Grasping Roots going thru CC immunities. Sounds unbalanced? Since when ItC is balanced? Includes in the list Lashing Blade, which should increase the damage dealt by 50% while in stealth, not garantee a successful crit. If this was the initial design, then the TR shouldnt had been constantly nerfed. Sentinel? Was hard to kill, now is almost unkillable with the new Artifact and the new Soulforged. WAIT! Couple it with an Anointed Champion! Balanced huh?
Yet, Grasping Roots is broken OP. Heh.
The HR is a new class. Everyone is too used the old setup (GWF, DC, CW, TR, GF). The HR is a new color in the rainbow (no pun intended). Learn to adapt to new tactics.
"Aw, she might be mad cuz got pwned with her squishy CW/HR W/E."
Wrong. Althought my main is a CW, i have other toons. And as the very same d*mn way, I defended the TR against the first nerf and ALWAYS wanted a GWF buff. Currently I'm in hopes the fix the GF Mark and Guard. It deserves some love. I rarely post, but when I do, its against nerfs, W/E the class.
Stop thinking with urs PvP thing and start thinking with urs PvE brains. Its a PvE game. Think about consequences, before nerf.
And overgeared GWF could tank 3/4 people. 4 people would probably start to kill it fairly quickly. Unstoppable is up 'way' too much in PvP. One daunting light makes it ready to use again... And now with the new soulforged, and the hp artifact? omfg.
Now I don't agree the Unstoppable shouldn't matter to Grasping Roots, but I'm f**king thrilled that it does! If 'anything' hits an HR using Aimed Shot, it cancels it. Not knocks it back.
Hindering Roots > Unstoppable. I think it's fair that ONE THING can finally tame a GWF (though I agree it 'shouldn't' given that Unstoppable is supposed to give immunity). Especially those god **** Iron Vanguard GWF's. Jesus Christ you guys are OP!
Yep all true. But a good gwf can get a surge on an hr and then its gg. But really skilled hrs can lock down gwfs
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
TR needs to be in range to crit u that, and 17k crit on a 52%DR target? He is full burst build TR and once he gets caught he instantly pop.
HR? Good luck catching one, most mobile class in game atm while being able to cc u and deal tons of dmg.
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1. Funny how, you fail to mention this skill affects much more than just GWF's Unstoppable.
2. The game has done just fine and been balanced around GWFs as they are up till now.
3. One does not "fix" anything by breaking the core mechanic of a class. It would be like having an Encounter that steals Divinity from a Cleric, or goes through GF's Guard (ok, Guard has many broken issues, but the theory/intent is documented), or depletes TR's Stealth directly, etc.
Besides, devs have stated that it is a bug:
Aimed shot is an At-Will.
TR crit that much with encounters.
To those, who say that HR was on PTS for months and you didn't complain. Men, there's no pvp on PTS (excluding premade matches), rarely anyone could test how it is in pvp. Now I see every HR at lvl 60 with Head Hunter.
Some abilities are still bugged: knockdown from Boar charge is extended for duration of grasping roots applied on a target before Boar Charge and can be extended further by applying another grasping roots (go try it, make people have fun in pvp); Fox Shift still crits you for 10k+ as it can hit single target more then once no matter tooltip states otherwise.
These bugs are known from the start of the testing new update. They are still not fixed. GWF's Slam still can't crit when Arcane Singularity and Flame Strike were fixed. So I can assume we may suffer from this pvp at least a few months, or roll a ranger and enjoy it.