Fifth lowest buyout prices on AH, about 3pm EST, Today.
Mark of Stability:
Lesser: 1800
Normal: 10995
Greater: 9999
Mark of Union:
Lesser: 13000
Normal: 125000
Greater: 17000
Mark of Power:
Lesser: 30000
Normal: 222222
Greater 24762
Mark of Potency:
Lesser: 1200
Normal: 23000
Greater: 122000
I chose the fifth lowest as a possibly more robust measure of the low end prices, basically trying to avoid summarizing current undercutting prices. Turns out they were fairly flat at the bottom anyway.
It looks to me there's a discrepancy of supply/demand for these. I would have expected there to be variations in demand based on the type of each; whether they're for artifacts or for regular enchantments, and so forth. And I would have expected the prices to increase from lesser to normal to greater. Obviously, that's not the case for three out of four.
Do people have thoughts/ideas on what those might be, how they'll change over the next few days/weeks, or whether there's inherent imbalances among them?
Well, purple Marks can be aquired easily through the Dread Ring Campaign while blue ones drop from skill nodes inside epic dungeons. So they might be harder to get after all. But I expect this to normalize in the next weeks and I'd think overall Marks for Artifacts will become really cheap because there is only so much to upgrade while the supply stays the same.
Prices for Potencys are actually higher than at the Wondrous Bazar?
Well, purple Marks can be aquired easily through the Dread Ring Campaign while blue ones drop from skill nodes inside epic dungeons. So they might be harder to get after all. But I expect this to normalize in the next weeks and I'd think overall Marks for Artifacts will become really cheap because there is only so much to upgrade while the supply stays the same.
Prices for Potencys are actually higher than at the Wondrous Bazar?
People are really, really stupid and don't read patch notes or quest text.
Which is a 40% profit on the lessers and a 25% profit on the greaters; both of which would more than pay for auction fees. Those prices likely won't rise much more as opportunists woul move in on those profit margins. Rock bottoms right now on the Greater Marks of Potency are at around 112000 or so. Would be interesting to see if they drop a bit more to undercut the wondrous bazaar.
I suspect there's a spike of immediate demand as people rush to upgrade things that are ready, and that it will settle out a lot over the next week or two.
I have seen the blue mark of potency at 19k. In a week I would guess they will be as low as 10k. Just as nobody purchased enchantments on the wonderous bazaar before module 2, the same will go with marks.
Rank 6, Rank 8, Normal, and Greater weapon/armor enchantments have already dropped lower than before module 2 because people are figuring out the new system.
It would be most beneficial to withhold from upgrading or refining for any who dont fully understand how refining works or how to cost effectively level an enchantment through refining.
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Drop rate of blue marks in dungeons seems like below 10%, I have never seen any from a boss/received any from skillnode (as well as each party member) in 4 epic dungeon runs (spell, karru and tos).
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Helm help us, I've got dozens of the things! Just running various repeatables in Sharandar, I've half filled a BoH with green and blue marks of various types, plus the box Cryptic give you, and I've also gotten a few from Rust Boxes.
I think the drop rate is pretty spot on, about the same as getting a higher level enchant/rune.
Haven't had a purple yet, but then I enjoy the campaign runs more (protecting Sharandar for my Elven brethren) So haven't seen the drop rate for them, but I figure when and if I need to upg. one of my gems, there'll be plenty on the AH
Helm help us, I've got dozens of the things! Just running various repeatables in Sharandar, I've half filled a BoH with green and blue marks of various types, plus the box Cryptic give you, and I've also gotten a few from Rust Boxes.
Helm help us, I've got dozens of the things! Just running various repeatables in Sharandar, I've half filled a BoH with green and blue marks of various types, plus the box Cryptic give you, and I've also gotten a few from Rust Boxes.
Not sure if sarcasm.
M6 almost drains your soul given how boring it is. (c) joocycuzzzzzz
Helm help us, I've got dozens of the things! Just running various repeatables in Sharandar, I've half filled a BoH with green and blue marks of various types, plus the box Cryptic give you, and I've also gotten a few from Rust Boxes.
I think the drop rate is pretty spot on, about the same as getting a higher level enchant/rune.
Haven't had a purple yet, but then I enjoy the campaign runs more (protecting Sharandar for my Elven brethren) So haven't seen the drop rate for them, but I figure when and if I need to upg. one of my gems, there'll be plenty on the AH
It has to be a sarcasm, couse i do all sharandar all dread ring lots of dungeons and i hvae seen once a mark of potency from a PK boss nothing in nodes, nothing everywhere drop rate is very very bad!!!
Do Mark of Power/... drop as loot or from chest in T2 dungeons?
Supposedly they do, but reports from people who run lots of dungeons is they're very, very rare so far. Very rare as in, one person ran five dungeons and none at all dropped. It's still early to say that it's not just very bad luck, but imo it's not looking positive. I expect the devs are monitoring it, and might quietly tweak drop rates, but that wouldn't happen immediately. They've a legitimate worry that dropping enough to have some filter to the market right now might overfill it later.
Got a green mark of power in a regular chest in Phantasmal Fortress. Gotten a bunch of Peridots in skill nodes. And a Aqua thingy in my Coal Coffer. Ofc got the marks in end chests of the Dread Ring mini dungeons.
The Greater Mark of Power/Stability/Union, are easy to acquire. You can run the Dread Ring dungeons multiple times during Sat/Sunday for a guaranteed greater mark of those. They have a more limited use (but can be used as experience to refine, I think it gave 3500xp on my blue artifact) cause they tie directly to specific artifact types. To run the mini dungeons multiple times, you just need to buy a key (which costs 1g 10scraps 5kAD).
Not sarcasm BTW. I found mine in the Gnome Cave (or whatever it's called) the one you buy keys for from that annoying little rhyming guy) I've run it about 11 times so far, and gotten 2 blue marks from it and one from a skill node (cant remember where exactly) Plus an absolute carptonne of green artifact/rune/enchant litter (mark of this and mark of that).
Having said that, my luck with dropboxes is farkling atrocious! I've opened prob 300 of the things and apart from a few Mulhorand items, not one mount or companion ever!!! That's with Dark, Nightmare, Feywild and Rusted, I still say all those messages about "xxxx' has gotten a "xxxx" are just spam from Cryptic to make you buy more keys!
An update for today using the same method. Fifth lowest buyout prices on AH, about 8pm EST, Sunday. I've added the percentage change from yesterday relative to yesterday's values.
Mark of Stability:
Lesser: 2052 (+14%)
Normal: 10115 (-8%)
Greater: 8843 (-12%)
Mark of Union:
Lesser: 9500 (-27%)
Normal: 99999 (-20%)
Greater: 9222 (-46%)
Mark of Power:
Lesser: 20000 (-33%)
Normal: 290172 (+31%)
Greater 10000 (-60%)
Mark of Potency:
Lesser: 709 (-41%)
Normal: 30108 (+31%)
Greater: 117499 (-4%)
Normal marks of power and potency shows an upward trend, which I don't think is surprising. Greater marks of power dropped a lot; likely due to how easy they are to get from the Dread Ring.
the funny thing is it drops from any EPIC i have seen 1 random mark drop every single time i have been running cragmire crypts because of how many nodes at least 1 boss drops 1 mark of whatever out of 20+ runs and a few nodes i have managed to snag 5 lesser marks of stability(nodes) and (bosses)6 normal marks of power and 1 mark of potency dont know why you all are running pk the 5700 gs ones are faster and more efficient for mark farming if you have a high geared group you can blow through it, me ive just been puggin them and it's pretty easy to get marks
also i find it funny how ppl mark up the marks you can get through the bazaar on the ah instead of shelling out 30k+ for the potency ones id rather just go buy them off the bazaar
I think it's ridiculous too, but they may be thinking this is a temporary bottleneck. Suppose there's a lot of one-time pent up demand for upgrading things with the blue marks. Once that works past, then their prices might start dropping. But that's unknown, and I'm curious to see how the trends go. Hence, tracking the prices here.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited December 2013
Yeah, they really should have considered access/drop rate of "normal" marks. Some of the blue prices are crazy.
I've been running my HR, refining items from drops (rather than dipping into the account stash of refined gems) and have gotten a number of lesser marks of potency from skill nodes, and a few minor marks from leadership green boxes on other characters.
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I think it would go a long way to fixing this if the requirement for any mark was for that grade or higher. E.g., if the slot calls for a normal Mark of Power, you could drop a Greater Mark of Power in there and it would work too.
Or, alternatively, and with a little humor; maybe they could make a reverse Mark Fusing system where you take four Greater Marks of Power, a Coalescent Ward and Fuse them down into a normal Mark of Power! \o/
What's sad is we could make a profit doing that right now.
I'm going to add tracking the "price" of generic refinement points from lower level enchantments. When we find an enchantment, putting it into the pot to refine another enchantment is not actually "free" -- there's an opportunity cost of selling it for AD on the market. In that sense, when we put low level enchants we trade getting the sale value of the enchants for the refinement we do instead.
From the AH at about 1pm Monday, these are roughly the lowest prices of enchantments at each rank, the refinement value at the rank, and the price in AD per Refinement Point.
The value seems to bottom out at about 4-4.5 AD per RP for the rank 2 & 3's. For rank 1's, the cost seems higher, possibly because people perceive these as not worth the trouble to manage. For rank 6's and up, the price rises, likely because these ranks of enchantments aren't often used as refinement fodder, but have value for their actual use in slots. If one's careful to use like types for refinement, then the cost is halved.
This leads to another way to look at the price of creating higher rank enchantments -- not only the costs of the various Marks and Wards, but also the cost of the accumulated refinement to create them.
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Prices for Potencys are actually higher than at the Wondrous Bazar?
People are really, really stupid and don't read patch notes or quest text.
Minor: 25
Lesser: 500
Normal: 25000
Greater: 100000
Which is a 40% profit on the lessers and a 25% profit on the greaters; both of which would more than pay for auction fees. Those prices likely won't rise much more as opportunists woul move in on those profit margins. Rock bottoms right now on the Greater Marks of Potency are at around 112000 or so. Would be interesting to see if they drop a bit more to undercut the wondrous bazaar.
I suspect there's a spike of immediate demand as people rush to upgrade things that are ready, and that it will settle out a lot over the next week or two.
Rank 6, Rank 8, Normal, and Greater weapon/armor enchantments have already dropped lower than before module 2 because people are figuring out the new system.
It would be most beneficial to withhold from upgrading or refining for any who dont fully understand how refining works or how to cost effectively level an enchantment through refining.
I think the drop rate is pretty spot on, about the same as getting a higher level enchant/rune.
Haven't had a purple yet, but then I enjoy the campaign runs more (protecting Sharandar for my Elven brethren) So haven't seen the drop rate for them, but I figure when and if I need to upg. one of my gems, there'll be plenty on the AH
Where in Sharandar did you find blue marks?
Not sure if sarcasm.
It has to be a sarcasm, couse i do all sharandar all dread ring lots of dungeons and i hvae seen once a mark of potency from a PK boss nothing in nodes, nothing everywhere drop rate is very very bad!!!
Supposedly they do, but reports from people who run lots of dungeons is they're very, very rare so far. Very rare as in, one person ran five dungeons and none at all dropped. It's still early to say that it's not just very bad luck, but imo it's not looking positive. I expect the devs are monitoring it, and might quietly tweak drop rates, but that wouldn't happen immediately. They've a legitimate worry that dropping enough to have some filter to the market right now might overfill it later.
Interesting... Regular chests and not boss chests?
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The Greater Mark of Power/Stability/Union, are easy to acquire. You can run the Dread Ring dungeons multiple times during Sat/Sunday for a guaranteed greater mark of those. They have a more limited use (but can be used as experience to refine, I think it gave 3500xp on my blue artifact) cause they tie directly to specific artifact types. To run the mini dungeons multiple times, you just need to buy a key (which costs 1g 10scraps 5kAD).
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Having said that, my luck with dropboxes is farkling atrocious! I've opened prob 300 of the things and apart from a few Mulhorand items, not one mount or companion ever!!! That's with Dark, Nightmare, Feywild and Rusted, I still say all those messages about "xxxx' has gotten a "xxxx" are just spam from Cryptic to make you buy more keys!
Mark of Stability:
Lesser: 2052 (+14%)
Normal: 10115 (-8%)
Greater: 8843 (-12%)
Mark of Union:
Lesser: 9500 (-27%)
Normal: 99999 (-20%)
Greater: 9222 (-46%)
Mark of Power:
Lesser: 20000 (-33%)
Normal: 290172 (+31%)
Greater 10000 (-60%)
Mark of Potency:
Lesser: 709 (-41%)
Normal: 30108 (+31%)
Greater: 117499 (-4%)
Normal marks of power and potency shows an upward trend, which I don't think is surprising. Greater marks of power dropped a lot; likely due to how easy they are to get from the Dread Ring.
also i find it funny how ppl mark up the marks you can get through the bazaar on the ah instead of shelling out 30k+ for the potency ones id rather just go buy them off the bazaar
And I find it really, really stupid. The blue marks are x100500 times harder to get then purple ones.
A well thought out system
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Or, alternatively, and with a little humor; maybe they could make a reverse Mark Fusing system where you take four Greater Marks of Power, a Coalescent Ward and Fuse them down into a normal Mark of Power! \o/
What's sad is we could make a profit doing that right now.
From the AH at about 1pm Monday, these are roughly the lowest prices of enchantments at each rank, the refinement value at the rank, and the price in AD per Refinement Point.
Rank 1: 55 5 11.00
Rank 2: 69 15 4.60
Rank 3: 186 45 4.13
Rank 4: 779 135 5.77
Rank 5: 2750 540 5.09
Rank 6: 16896 2160 7.82
Rank 7: 80000 4320 18.52
Rank 8: 350000 12960 27.01
Rank 9: 800000 38880 20.58
The value seems to bottom out at about 4-4.5 AD per RP for the rank 2 & 3's. For rank 1's, the cost seems higher, possibly because people perceive these as not worth the trouble to manage. For rank 6's and up, the price rises, likely because these ranks of enchantments aren't often used as refinement fodder, but have value for their actual use in slots. If one's careful to use like types for refinement, then the cost is halved.
This leads to another way to look at the price of creating higher rank enchantments -- not only the costs of the various Marks and Wards, but also the cost of the accumulated refinement to create them.
Mark of Stability:
Lesser: 1371
Normal: 10369
Greater: 10600
Mark of Union:
Lesser: 7795
Normal: 150000
Greater: 15750
Mark of Power:
Lesser: 12590
Normal: 245924
Greater 19000
Mark of Potency:
Lesser: 689
Normal: 29949
Greater: 115000