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Why force players to steal?

ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
edited December 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
I tried the introduction quests of Dread Ring Campaign, and found that quest Shatter bestowed by NPC Xuna is a must-do quest. I can't proceed without that quest being completed.

And look at that quest's objective: "Steal Token Shards from Thayans in Quarry (0/5)". Stealing? In a must-do quest? Why force every player to steal? Why?

Now the entire campaign becomes useless to me. I can't even get the boons. You've got to be kidding. I'm not happy now. Really.
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  • imsmithyimsmithy Member Posts: 1,378 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Not this again .... can't you just pretend that your companion stole the things?
  • inthefade462inthefade462 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    I tried the introduction quests of Dread Ring Campaign, and found that quest Shatter bestowed by NPC Xuna is a must-do quest. I can't proceed without that quest being completed.

    And look at that quest's objective: "Steal Token Shards from Thayans in Quarry (0/5)". Stealing? In a must-do quest? Why force every player to steal? Why?

    Now the entire campaign becomes useless to me. I can't even get the boons. You've got to be kidding. I'm not happy now. Really.

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  • nwnghostnwnghost Member, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The quest says Steal, but you actually aren't stealing. Why? Because you have to kill them to get the items. So really you are robbing, not stealing. Big difference
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I know I shouldn't respond to the bait, but wow. You really have moral objections to stealing from what is most possibly the most evil, most dangerous threat, to not just Neverwinter, but the entire sword coast region?

    You basically just told Knox, and by proxy Neverember, that his main Champion and "go to hero" is going to let the evil lich win. Because he cant morally justify denying the enemy of resources. When the city burns around you, I hope you are still ok with your moral objection.
  • imsmithyimsmithy Member Posts: 1,378 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    nwnghost wrote: »
    The quest says Steal, but you actually aren't stealing. Why? Because you have to kill them to get the items. So really you are robbing, not stealing. Big difference

    We already put that argument to him in a previous thread about the skill steal time , apparently it's ok to kill the bad guys , just isn't ok to steal off them , this guy is awesome , his threads always make me smile xD
  • ettiennedumorteettiennedumorte Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    “The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Do you understand?" - Jack Sparrow
  • rosicrucianistrosicrucianist Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    I tried the introduction quests of Dread Ring Campaign, and found that quest Shatter bestowed by NPC Xuna is a must-do quest. I can't proceed without that quest being completed.

    And look at that quest's objective: "Steal Token Shards from Thayans in Quarry (0/5)". Stealing? In a must-do quest? Why force every player to steal? Why?

    Now the entire campaign becomes useless to me. I can't even get the boons. You've got to be kidding. I'm not happy now. Really.


    I haven't played through it yet but...They are Thayans. I could understand if a quest called you to steal from orphans...but Thayans? I'm also assuming that the reasons for theft are to deprive the Thayans of some asset they intend to either wage war or enforce their will, i.e. you aren't breaking into their houses and stealing their personal mementos.

    Using your logic the Fellowship upon discovering the One Ring should of returned it to Sauron at their first opportunity...
  • mutantdemocracymutantdemocracy Member Posts: 497 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    nwnghost wrote: »
    The quest says Steal, but you actually aren't stealing. Why? Because you have to kill them to get the items. So really you are robbing, not stealing. Big difference

    The exact definition is Aggravated Robbery (other) and Murder.
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    rosicrucianist wrote: »
    Using your logic the Fellowship upon discovering the One Ring should of returned it to Sauron at their first opportunity...

    Obviously it has to go to Smeagol first. That's who Bilbo unjustly stole it from, originally. Tricksy thieving hobbitssss!
  • tornnomartornnomar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Just play a TR. Its your job to steal! And have a bowl of Troll Chow too.
  • egnigemegnigem Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    You can take this as a technicality from Xena, she's a trickster rogue after all, a thief class so to speak. If you're having problems with the word "steal" just change the word to your understanding to "collect".
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  • abell39abell39 Member Posts: 1,175 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I kinda understand OP's concern here, since my DC had a very hard time with her sense of morality all throughout the quests in Pirates' Skyhold. In this case, though, the Thayans are pretty much evil, so I'd say stopping them by any means trumps non-stealing. Maybe your character needs to wrestle with his morals a little bit -- it builds character and all. Could actually make for better RP.
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  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I think its well past time for a little Intervention.

    Ian, this is for your own good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JOZ6iOK0hc
  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    I tried the introduction quests of Dread Ring Campaign, and found that quest Shatter bestowed by NPC Xuna is a must-do quest. I can't proceed without that quest being completed.

    And look at that quest's objective: "Steal Token Shards from Thayans in Quarry (0/5)". Stealing? In a must-do quest? Why force every player to steal? Why?

    Now the entire campaign becomes useless to me. I can't even get the boons. You've got to be kidding. I'm not happy now. Really.

    So, stealing a few things from the Thayans (that you have to kill most likely) is a deal breaker for you, but you had no problem slaughtering who knows how many enemies on the way to the Dread Ring.

    Murder is generally considered worse than theft, so it's a bit late to get all moral now.
  • sevdaisevdai Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    I tried the introduction quests of Dread Ring Campaign, and found that quest Shatter bestowed by NPC Xuna is a must-do quest. I can't proceed without that quest being completed.

    And look at that quest's objective: "Steal Token Shards from Thayans in Quarry (0/5)". Stealing? In a must-do quest? Why force every player to steal? Why?

    Now the entire campaign becomes useless to me. I can't even get the boons. You've got to be kidding. I'm not happy now. Really.


    Dude...seriously? Is it just the word 'steal' that you have a problem with? Any other moral quandries we should be aware of as well?
  • crosschancrosschan Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    For a RPer I am seeing a distinct lack of imagination. Perhaps the OP is simply not ready for this level of "make believe" at this particulat time and should work his way up to it? ;)
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  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    crosschan wrote: »
    For a RPer I am seeing a distinct lack of imagination. Perhaps the OP is simply not ready for this level of "make believe" at this particulat time and should work his way up to it? ;)

    What do you suggest he start with? Hello Kitty Online?
  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Member Posts: 6,694 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Still stuck on that mission?...
    Go to Foundry.
    Make or pay or what ever wizards do, someone else to make a quest 'Return What I Borrowed'.
    Play it thru.
    Pat yourself to the back for a job well done.
    Continue.
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  • thanatos5723thanatos5723 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Thayans, especially red wizards are "EVIL". Well they dont share same moral prejudice as the rest of the mortals will be more accurate, but just say they are evil, stealing something which can provide them more power is therefore act of "Good"
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Please stop confusing "righteously eliminating evils" (which everyone is doing in this game) with "murdering" already. My wizard totally, totally, and totally has no problem killing evil enemies and mobs who endanger others.
  • abell39abell39 Member Posts: 1,175 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I think the point is that if your wiz is okay with removing evil enemies' ability to endanger others by outright killing the enemies, then he ought to be okay with removing evil enemies' ability to endanger others by taking items from those enemies that give them power to endanger others.
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    abell39 wrote: »
    I think the point is that if your wiz is okay with removing evil enemies' ability to endanger others by outright killing the enemies, then he ought to be okay with removing evil enemies' ability to endanger others by taking items from those enemies that give them power to endanger others.
    Good interpretation. I really don't understand why someone decided to officially define the behavior as stealing. What a special mindset.
  • jorifice1jorifice1 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    I think its well past time for a little Intervention.

    Ian, this is for your own good.

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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited December 2013
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  • chaddiwickerchaddiwicker Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    On the plus side, they changed the Blacklake District so you can't steal from Old Jerry anymore. ;)
    Don't steal from Old Jerry!

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  • vorphiedvorphied Member Posts: 1,870 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    This thread and any future threads with this sort of topic should be locked. The OP got his answers 10x over in this and several other threads; he either doesn't like the answers or doesn't believe them. Or just likes to see how many replies add up, who knows.
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  • nightspiritgnightspiritg Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The Thayans originally created the dread-ring which caused Mt.Hotenow to erupt destroying Neverwinter,now you want them to possibly destroy it again? Steal from the Thayans and stop their evil plots.
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    vorphied wrote: »
    he either doesn't like the answers or doesn't believe them. Or just likes to see how many replies add up, who knows.
    In case you hadn't realized, these threads are the suggestion type for those devs.
  • vorphiedvorphied Member Posts: 1,870 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    In case you hadn't realized, these threads are the suggestion type for those devs.

    You continue to suggest changes based on your persistent misunderstanding of the usage of the word "steal" in these contexts (though in this case we really are talking about theft, ironically). You would no longer have an issue if you would accept what you are being told, hence no need for thread after thread of the same suggestion.

    All I get is that you really, really, really don't like the word "steal", regardless of how much sense it makes in context, and regardless of whether or not there is a true moral issue at hand.
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  • snottysnotty Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    simple answer..... it aint a crime if you don't get caught.
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