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shauku11
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I have been playing this game at level 60 for a couple weeks now and i think there are some issues with the dungeons and the grouping system at level 60. I have played quite a few of the dungeons and it really seems like Tank+healer+CW is somewhat required in a lot of instances. I can see better geared or skilled players are going to be able to use GWFs as tanks but it doesn't seem to fire off dungeons in this manner. A group that spawns as TR/TR/GWF/DC/GF usually ends with someone leaving before moving three steps because players don't believe it's a good setup. If you're the DPS in this group you get shoved back into a 15-40 minute wait for this. This isn't any fun for anyone involved. This might actually get worse with the upcoming module and Hunter/ranger. If they're another dps without the control nearing the Wizard class the queues are going to just get more clogged for melee dps. I cannot say i know anything about coding, but i think if the developers aren't going to adjust the about of adds in boss encounters another solution needs to be made.
Anyways, this is what i think you should do:
1. Move the PuG Queue to a 6 player queue.
2. Require Tank/Healer/Controller+3 dps. (you can still allow CW to load as addition dps)
3. Add a Random Dungeon portion to the queue system.
I think you should do this because it's just too much waiting/spamming channels to find groups. I understand the responses of "Find a guild to play dungeons" etc but that doesn't help out people right after they hit 60, and a lot of group missions you'll run in this game will be utterly depressing, ignoring addition problems like language barriers, skill gaps between players etc.
ps. Yes i have done dungeons without CWs they're doable but they are simply harder than without and that additional difficulty isn't worth the trouble esp for players that have quicker queue times.
pss. Remove the guild require from GG, it's just lame.
Anyways, this is what i think you should do:
1. Move the PuG Queue to a 6 player queue.
2. Require Tank/Healer/Controller+3 dps. (you can still allow CW to load as addition dps)
3. Add a Random Dungeon portion to the queue system.
I think you should do this because it's just too much waiting/spamming channels to find groups. I understand the responses of "Find a guild to play dungeons" etc but that doesn't help out people right after they hit 60, and a lot of group missions you'll run in this game will be utterly depressing, ignoring addition problems like language barriers, skill gaps between players etc.
ps. Yes i have done dungeons without CWs they're doable but they are simply harder than without and that additional difficulty isn't worth the trouble esp for players that have quicker queue times.
pss. Remove the guild require from GG, it's just lame.
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The funniest part is, my GWF is setup/spec'd (as much as possible) for CC + aggro + tank, and simply brilliant in group dungeons with a CW or DC (I've grouped manually for a couple of zones and they make a near unstoppable team, did the entire pirates skyhold with a CW in about 10 mins!)
Where as my GF is completely and totally spec'd for solo runs, DPS with nil CC and no aggro and is useless as the aggro magnet/tank for groups, even his CD companion gets more aggro than him, which is handy in boss fights because he can get combat advantage + crit really easily as they constantly turn towards my poor cleric (she is a trooper though)
So in other words, for group runs my GWF would be a way better pick, but the auto queue almost never picks him.
But the queue priorities are really messed up given the design of the dungeons. It's worse when you get a GF that won't tank or a DC that won't heal from a random queue. Everyone else probably waited a long time and these guys get in quick but don't live up to the roles that give them that privilege.
If the imbalance or usefullnes between GF's and GWF's was as big as people seem to think, then it would be flagged as a major bug/imbalance, and I'm sure Cryptic would have fixed it by now. But player perception isn't a bug. And the truth is with the options of gear/spec/enchant/feat/power available to both classes, they can be interchangeable and more importantly is how they are played.
However the queue system is definitely flawed/skewed and that IS something Cryptic need to sort out, though the "fix" in this case might actually be some careful, positive marketing for the GWF rather than a coding/game mechanics issue.
Side note, GWF is getting more love lately. I think it has to do with the fact that we have had to own our class in PvE and when we do get begrudgingly picked as the ones left in the zone, we give it everything. Just this week in FC the 2 TRs and CW got ganked by a crit from the spiders big AoE in the first min. Me and the GF rocked it to the finish line with enough time to que again. They were like "I heard GWF was HAMSTER but that was awesome, you must have an epic gear score!" Nope, 10k, I just know my class and play my part
Traxus Atheanes GF
Bastiel Atheanes DC
Ellara Atheanes CW
Keira Atheanes TR
Sarasin Atheanes SW
Jerkface McGee HR
-MANTARA- OP
Now, I hear people laughing their tuckus off at that comment, but think about this: Why do so many people play GWF? It's because it's the tankmage class -- the one that doesn't have any real weaknesses. A GWF can do AoE, they can do CC, they can tank... and they DPS. The only thing they can't do is heal. They're the easy button. That's why so many people play them.
The other classes need to be brought to the same level of ease of play as the GWF, or this disparity will continue. I'm not saying the game is too hard; I'm saying it needs to be easier to play the other classes.
"My attention does not so much wander, as it takes long vacations to foreign locales and meets strange women that leave it crying and broken in the hot, hot sun." :cool: