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Why module 2 will increase the differences between casuals and pro
pando83
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I've read people that think module 2 will reduce the difference between pro players and casuals. Not true. It will increase the difference. At least this will be the first result, and it will balance with time.
The reasons are:
- It makes more easy to get enchants to rank 10, while not changing much the difficulty to make lower level enchants. Pro players that are now stuck to rank 8 or, at best, 9, will fast upgrade to rank 10, while commoners will still be busy going to 6, and struggling to go to 7 (need AD to upgrade and the fail chance is higher).
- Artifacts will be introduced. Artifacts are upgraded just like enchants. This means that pro players will upgrade them much faster, earning a new powerful piece of gear to increase their advantage
- New paths means more builds that in many cases will be better than the old ones. The ones that make more tests (pro players) will increase their advantage improving their build, while the casuals will probably fall behind a bit
I expect to see the difference increasing in the first weeks/ 2-3 months, and then reducing once the pro players hit the max with their gear, and casuals slowly catch up (they can now hope to upgrade to rank 10/ perfect exc... with time)
The reasons are:
- It makes more easy to get enchants to rank 10, while not changing much the difficulty to make lower level enchants. Pro players that are now stuck to rank 8 or, at best, 9, will fast upgrade to rank 10, while commoners will still be busy going to 6, and struggling to go to 7 (need AD to upgrade and the fail chance is higher).
- Artifacts will be introduced. Artifacts are upgraded just like enchants. This means that pro players will upgrade them much faster, earning a new powerful piece of gear to increase their advantage
- New paths means more builds that in many cases will be better than the old ones. The ones that make more tests (pro players) will increase their advantage improving their build, while the casuals will probably fall behind a bit
I expect to see the difference increasing in the first weeks/ 2-3 months, and then reducing once the pro players hit the max with their gear, and casuals slowly catch up (they can now hope to upgrade to rank 10/ perfect exc... with time)
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Yes, they did.
/rantoff
Module 2 just adds to that complexity and will thin the herds a bit more imo, leaving only individuals who fit into several specific GamerDNA categories.
Not a bad thing, just one that makes it a much more specialized genre.
Professional Gamer - Paid 2 Play.
$99/Hr - I'll teach you how to play Guardian Fighter.
Absolutely Right!!
Remember, those who can do, those who can't - teach (and are professional . . . teachers.)
- they call themselves "pro" in many cases
- it's just a common way to call the players who play "professionally", spending lots of time, efforts, organization exc... But if it hurts you, i will call them "hardcore" gamers.
Anybody is offended by the word hardcore?
And no, i'm not saying that
It's quite simple to understand. My point in this thread is that the changes in module 2 will allow casual players to reach the top level for enchants more easily in the long run, so that they can catch up with hardcore players faster. But on the other hand, making it a lot easier to reach the highest rank for enchants, and adding new pieces of gear (artifacts) to upgrade and new paths, in the first months we will see a increase in the difference between hardcore players and casual players. For the simple reason that
- hardcore gamers will now be able to reach rank 10 enchants instead of stopping to rank 8 or, in few cases, 9. And they will do it fast.
- new gear to upgrade (artifacts) means that the ones that upgrade it faster (hardocre gamers) will increase their advantage
- new more powerful (in many cases) builds means that the ones that could test them more, will get another advantage (hardcore gamers usually have already got all the gear and don't need to work much on their main char. This means they have more time to go test on the preview shard).
It's also not a complaint, so don't waste your flame. it's just a simple consideration, since many players seem to believe the changes will let normal players catch up fast with the hardcore players. I expect to see the difference grow bigger in the first weeks/ 2-3 months, and reducing later.
Next update, i would add only new PvP modes and/ or PvE content, but to add gear and stuff, i would wait till summer/ october 2014 to let the community reach a overall similar level.
Do you understand how MMOs work? The pacing of updates need to be very quick, otherwise people will get bored and move on to other games. If you wait a whole year to add another update, you're doing it wrong and being too slow. You can slow down the updates later in the life of your MMO but since Neverwinter is still very new by MMO standards, its updates need to be rapid, or the playerbase will lose interest and dwindle.
I lol so **** hard
In a PvE setting, the only people who lose when players get better gear are the monsters in the dungeons. So unless you're acting as an agent on behalf of Valindra, then I don't see what the problem is.
You don't "lose" to another human player in PvE.
by that strat there would be like 5 ppl left playing in oct 2014, and they need a HUGE mod 3 with more than 1 class and few quests to survive ESO and Bless(spring 2014)
Unless when people form parties, one of the main request after " experience" is "gear score". The higher the gs can be, the faster the run. Soon CN runners and Valindra Tower runners will not ask for a 12k GS, but for a 14k or more once artifacts are available.
Also, there is a PvP part to take into account.
I think most of the replies didn't understand the meaning of this thread. Yawn.
There is no exclusivity in Neverwinter, at this point in time everything is doable rather easy. There is no dungeon or any content that is hard, that makes people work for it. And on the other hand there's also exploits, people mostly do not even know that every dungeon has 4 bosses, not only CN, but those are optional and are mostly skipped by simply dying at the right place.
And there is no raid content. What's more rewarding than beating a boss so hard that it takes 20 people to do it?
Artifacts and Companions active bonuses are there for a reason, to give the player something they can improve with. If they all get maxed out they have nothing to improve, they lose interest. Also it promotes variety, rarely will you see a person with the exact same items and companions as you after module 2.
tl;dr:
Bugs should get fixed, more content should be added(with minimal to no bugs).
Exclusivity is a good thing; raids are needed.
Your milkshake brings all the noobs to the yard?
the problem with raids is that if not done right they feel like a job(like in wow) and this is cryptic, so there isnt much chance to get them right, they would just put 5x more adds in existing dungeons and call it a raid
The "problwm" is that some players posts thousands of posts in the forum and maybe devps think they are the majority of gamers but it isn true. the crowd of ppl who can play a sane number of hours a week often dodnt have time ti post again and againg preferring spending their free time to effectively play tha game. I know it is their "fault" if they dont let devps listen their voice, but the truth is that if devps make the game only for forum-posters, the game itself will not good for crowd. It will become only an elite game for few ppl.
This isn't true. They collect a lot of metrics on what players are doing, how much time they spend doing it, and how many are doing it. They specifically cited this as a reason why they're changing the enchantment refinement system, because they saw (based on their data) that a majority of people WEREN'T using it. If they had listened to the "masses" on the forums, they wouldn't have made any changes.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?516571-Cryptic-OFFICIAL-Feedback-Thread-Refinement-System&p=6406541&viewfull=1#post6406541
Gotta pick your battles on the internet, over over used terms is a losing one. Could yell at every kid who actually uses "****" informing them its not a real word, but theyll still use it, and so will others.
What learning curve are you talking about? This game is pretty simple, except perhaps in PvP which I can't comment on as I don't take part in it.
There aren't any in Neverwinter, that I know about. However, I know some people that do a lot of streaming of games have been able to get some money or other material benefits from doing so. There as some primarily competitive games that do offer competitions with cash payouts. I can't remember the name of the game, but there is one out there putting a lot of effort into having competitions and competitive leagues with payouts. If the trend continues there may well end out being professional players of electronic games.
Also, I think your definition of professional is a bit too limited. I think it has much more to do with the attitude and conduct of a person in regards to his or her work, and how they interact with others in their performance of their duties, rather than what kind of training they have or designations they have earned, or even of the nature of their work tasks.
I have interacted with some competent customer service reps with a very customer focused attitude at times, just as I have interacted at times with doctors that were basically dialing it in and couldn't care less about my situation. Which of these is the professional?
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Again, we take for granted even the most basic aspects of this game as "assumed mechanics" or "derp" topics. However, the top issues I see from "newcomers" to my guild and even from my Wife (a previous WoW/GW2 player) relate to basic wtf do I do topics and I think the lack of tutorials has a lot to do with it. The game mechanics change a lot from level 1 to level 60. It is surprising how many people just wing it in this game until they are bored and leave.
Add in Artifacts, Companion stat bonuses, all these items and currencies... The game is a data overload for any casual.