Where exactly is the heroic legendary Drow elf ranger Drizzt Do'Urden the NPC located at in this Neverwinter MMORPG and does it take a very long time to locate him in the game???
I believe Cryptic doesn't actually have permission to use the character, and even if they did I would think he'd be dead by 4th edition Faerun's timeline. It is hundreds of years in the future from the previous editions.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited November 2013
Drizztd Do'Urden has not made an appearance in the game...yet.
However Cryptic has been speaking with authors such as RA Salvatore about getting some famous figures to make an appearance as stated by Andy Valasquez during an IRC Live Q&A.
I believe Cryptic doesn't actually have permission to use the character, and even if they did I would think he'd be dead by 4th edition Faerun's timeline. It is hundreds of years in the future from the previous editions.
Before the Spellplague event, 1385 DR year of the Blue Fire. Forgotten Realms timeline was set at 1374-ish (give or take a few years depending on what books you read). From my understanding the current year is 1479 year of the Ageless One.
So that is roughly a 105 year jump. Drizzt being a Drow (Dark Elf) can live for several centuries, and I believe was just in or near 120 years old in 1385. So he is alive and kicking to say the least during this time period.
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kaiserschmarrnMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 390
Besides, according to canon, wasn't Drizzt's old gang reincarnated around 1460 ?? So we could also meet characters like Cattie Brie, Bruenor or Wulfgar.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited November 2013
There's a bit of a continuity error in the Drizzt storyline.
At some point in the books they had mentioned that Drizzt was 80 years old or so when he left the underdark which would put him around 120 years old in 1385. However numerous other sources cite Drizzt birth as 1297 DR which would put him at 80-90 before the spellplague.
This has him at ~185 years old in the modern timeline.
By the way the Neverwinter Timeline was never hard coded. There's only two major hints.
First, without giving away too many spoilers, Drizzt is unavailable from 1463-1484.
Secondly Lord Dagult Neverember does not assume the mantle of Lord Protector of Neverwinter until 1467.
So if Drizzt makes an appearance the timeline would automatically get set to 1484.
However last month we did get an unnoffical official bump forward in the timeline. Players reported being a Witness to Mask (sadly I never managed to spot him) but mask was a dead power from roughly 1385 to 1484. Thus the mere fact Mask has made it into the game has place the timeline post 1484 which is a very exciting prospect.
However, more to the point, Drizzt is alive and kicking in 1484. Heck a few other people you wouldn't have expected to be around a few hundred years in the future have also advanced in the timeline alive and well. Read the books to find out the plot twists.
Yvonnel Baenre managed to survive to roughly two thousand years of age. Her son, Gromph Baenre, was cited multiple times to be over 900 in the books as well but the wiki cites a 2008 source which claims Gromph to be 704. That is outdated at the least.
Also if you ask Zeb, the walking FR encyclopedia, drow and elves in general aren't actually mortal. They could, in theory, live on the prime material plane for all eternity if they resist the Call of Arvandor.
So would love a quest with the famous drow ranger, fight alongside him or something maybe, or meet the Companions of Mithral Hall (seeing as according to the FR wiki they were resurrected ^^)
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited November 2013
. . . . . The rule-book stats for elven age is a guideline. Elves in the Realms do not die of old age. As they grow older, begining when they get venerable of age, the call of Arvandor (or will of Lolth for cursed drow) becomes louder and louder. As long as they ignore the call, they can live forever. When they heed the call, this is when they slip from the mortal realm and is what we would perceive as them dying of old age. Their bodies still do exhibit signs of "old age," just on a much slower rate than humans and other non-fey races, yet their mind and vigor remains.
If you read the novels it's going to be hard to see Drizzt, or several other of the companions (what's left of them anyway) because they are taking an extended nap during this period.
Edit: did not know that Mask has made an appearance.....in that case it may be possible
If you read the novels it's going to be hard to see Drizzt, or several other of the companions (what's left of them anyway) because they are taking an extended nap during this period.
Pretty much this. If we saw Drizzt in game that would mean all time went forward. I don't think you can push time in the game a 100 years say. Just would not be realistic. (i say realistic with a grain of salt) . On a side note Zeb is correct, Gromph is close to 1000 years old and as bad *** as ever! one of my favorite wizards.
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kaiserschmarrnMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 390
Yvonnel Baenre managed to survive to roughly two thousand years of age. Her son, Gromph Baenre, was cited multiple times to be over 900 in the books as well but the wiki cites a 2008 source which claims Gromph to be 704. That is outdated at the least.
Also if you ask Zeb, the walking FR encyclopedia, drow and elves in general aren't actually mortal. They could, in theory, live on the prime material plane for all eternity if they resist the Call of Arvandor.
Wasn't elf immortality a feature of early D&D editions and they backpedaled more and more from it to be distinguishable from Tolkien ? I remember the first monster manual I had as a kid (not sure which edition that was), stated that grey elves could live well over 2000 years. And that became less with every successive edition.
Considering the drow society I would not be surprised to learn that the average life span of a drow is so short because they have a good chance of finding a violent death in the underdark and that their actual biological life span could be significantly higher. Pretty much like the difference between living in Sierra Leone or in Norway.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Wasn't elf immortality a feature of early D&D editions and they backpedaled more and more from it to be distinguishable from Tolkien ? I remember the first monster manual I had as a kid (not sure which edition that was), stated that grey elves could live well over 2000 years. And that became less with every successive edition.
Considering the drow society I would not be surprised to learn that the average life span of a drow is so short because they have a good chance of finding a violent death in the underdark and that their actual biological life span could be significantly higher. Pretty much like the difference between living in Sierra Leone or in Norway.
. . . . . As I stated prior to your post, elves in the Realms do not "die of old age" and could live forever if they don't meet an early demise. This includes drow, but yes, the average lifespan of drow is relatively short compared to the other types of elves due to their violent nature and the wickedness of Lolth that drives the drow society to constantly be in conflict with each other. Surface drow tend to live much longer than those who dwell in the Underdark Cities.
Anywho I think that Cryptic was smart in not placing major Realms characters in if for no other reason than a lot of people who play have an atavistic need for their character to be the end all be all...if they do introduce such characters going forward, they should do it sparingly.
I spose from a legalistic point of view, but outside of that I have to disagree. If you're going to use the license, why not draw upon all the source material. I think it enriches the game overall. How cool would a mission involving freeing Drizzt and his cohorts from Valindra's evil grasp be?
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obsiddiaMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,025Arc User
edited November 2013
I think some upcoming books - all set in the Spell plague times, or related events -
explain Mask and at least a bit more of Drizzt. Look up AD&D Sundering series.
Sadly, I will be waiting for the paperbacks.... as I live in the olden/cheap days.
Did you really think anyone could steal the power of the god of thieves?
Can't find anything on Google regarding any legal issue they may have come across...Maybe those were unlicensed Mods or something. Not sure.
I read it long ago. They didn't have permission to use certain DnD licensed material and there was a lawsuit. I don't know how far it went. Part of the reason Black Isles went down. I talked with a developer and he told me about it too. Even though the game sold well, they barely broke even due to the 5 years it took to make and some legal trouble. Again, this is from memory, so sorry if I'm off.
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However Cryptic has been speaking with authors such as RA Salvatore about getting some famous figures to make an appearance as stated by Andy Valasquez during an IRC Live Q&A.
So that is roughly a 105 year jump. Drizzt being a Drow (Dark Elf) can live for several centuries, and I believe was just in or near 120 years old in 1385. So he is alive and kicking to say the least during this time period.
Drow average Lifespan:
Usually up to 500, but 900 is not unheard of
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Drow
Besides, according to canon, wasn't Drizzt's old gang reincarnated around 1460 ?? So we could also meet characters like Cattie Brie, Bruenor or Wulfgar.
At some point in the books they had mentioned that Drizzt was 80 years old or so when he left the underdark which would put him around 120 years old in 1385. However numerous other sources cite Drizzt birth as 1297 DR which would put him at 80-90 before the spellplague.
This has him at ~185 years old in the modern timeline.
By the way the Neverwinter Timeline was never hard coded. There's only two major hints.
First, without giving away too many spoilers, Drizzt is unavailable from 1463-1484.
Secondly Lord Dagult Neverember does not assume the mantle of Lord Protector of Neverwinter until 1467.
So if Drizzt makes an appearance the timeline would automatically get set to 1484.
However last month we did get an unnoffical official bump forward in the timeline. Players reported being a Witness to Mask (sadly I never managed to spot him) but mask was a dead power from roughly 1385 to 1484. Thus the mere fact Mask has made it into the game has place the timeline post 1484 which is a very exciting prospect.
However, more to the point, Drizzt is alive and kicking in 1484. Heck a few other people you wouldn't have expected to be around a few hundred years in the future have also advanced in the timeline alive and well. Read the books to find out the plot twists.
Yvonnel Baenre managed to survive to roughly two thousand years of age. Her son, Gromph Baenre, was cited multiple times to be over 900 in the books as well but the wiki cites a 2008 source which claims Gromph to be 704. That is outdated at the least.
Also if you ask Zeb, the walking FR encyclopedia, drow and elves in general aren't actually mortal. They could, in theory, live on the prime material plane for all eternity if they resist the Call of Arvandor.
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Edit: did not know that Mask has made an appearance.....in that case it may be possible
Pretty much this. If we saw Drizzt in game that would mean all time went forward. I don't think you can push time in the game a 100 years say. Just would not be realistic. (i say realistic with a grain of salt) . On a side note Zeb is correct, Gromph is close to 1000 years old and as bad *** as ever! one of my favorite wizards.
Wasn't elf immortality a feature of early D&D editions and they backpedaled more and more from it to be distinguishable from Tolkien ? I remember the first monster manual I had as a kid (not sure which edition that was), stated that grey elves could live well over 2000 years. And that became less with every successive edition.
Considering the drow society I would not be surprised to learn that the average life span of a drow is so short because they have a good chance of finding a violent death in the underdark and that their actual biological life span could be significantly higher. Pretty much like the difference between living in Sierra Leone or in Norway.
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Can't find anything on Google regarding any legal issue they may have come across...Maybe those were unlicensed Mods or something. Not sure.
I spose from a legalistic point of view, but outside of that I have to disagree. If you're going to use the license, why not draw upon all the source material. I think it enriches the game overall. How cool would a mission involving freeing Drizzt and his cohorts from Valindra's evil grasp be?
explain Mask and at least a bit more of Drizzt. Look up AD&D Sundering series.
Sadly, I will be waiting for the paperbacks.... as I live in the olden/cheap days.
I read it long ago. They didn't have permission to use certain DnD licensed material and there was a lawsuit. I don't know how far it went. Part of the reason Black Isles went down. I talked with a developer and he told me about it too. Even though the game sold well, they barely broke even due to the 5 years it took to make and some legal trouble. Again, this is from memory, so sorry if I'm off.