Advice on refinement vs fusing

radtatat · November 2013

I have many runestones and enchantments ranging from R1 to R7. My question is should I fuse the lower rank ones to at least R5 before the refinement system kicks in with M2 or should I wait to refine them instead?

From what I have read in the preview forum, it will generally require less stones to get to higher ranks with refinement, and the AD cost is removed, which is good. But we will need catalysts to rank up, which might not be easy to get, or at least more work to get them.

So...which is a better choice: fuse what I have now or refine them later?

beckylunatic · November 2013

I don't know of anyone who's been satisfied with the drops rates on the catalysts needed for upgrading ranks 3-5. I've been urging for them to be made more plentiful, but haven't had a lot of opportunity to go in and test further. And I don't think anyone knows what the drop rates are going to be like with the higher level marks for upgrading rank 6 and up.

You already have up to 7s. Depending on your current supply, you may want to save all the 1-4s for refining points to feed into your 5s and up. You don't really want to be using 5s for refining points.

If you didn't already have 5s, I'd advise you to work on making some, since there is currently a chokepoint with the catalysts.

I have a comfortable amount of rank 5s and up already, so I've been keeping all my 1-4s for refining points.

Basically, don't bother making more 5s than you think you'll be slotting. You want to slot and feed these, not use them for fodder. Having some extra is good for future upgrading, but anything you're going to use for refining points is best left as-is.

pitshade · November 2013

When I was looking, a rank 1 is 5 points, a rank 2 is 15. You lose 5 RP just by fusing them now instead of waiting, assuming there are no failures. IIRC it's similar with 2s into 3s and gets a bit worse after that. What I'm doing is saving up all my 1s and 2s and fusing everything greater. My goal is to get as many rank 5 through 7's before the module goes live. That way I'll save on reagents and with six chars (soon to be more) I need as many good enchants as I can get.

Cloak Tower runs are going to be a big thing in the future, I'm guessing. Right now, they're mostly good for farming seals but when Vansi gets a chance to drop purple Marks and you can get blues from chests and nodes, that's going to make it very lucrative. Also the two bonus chests are fixed in the epic version finally.

mehguy138 · November 2013

Fuse them now, after the update you'll have to spend a lot of AD/time on reagents.

snotty · November 2013

I agree, with the above post, refine everything you can now, after the new patch it wont be worth refining.

uurbs · November 2013

mehguy138 wrote: »

Fuse them now, after the update you'll have to spend a lot of AD/time on reagents.

No, Beckylunatic is right: keep rank 1 to 4 and only fuse what you need to rank 7.

oriyellow8 · November 2013

if you look at my post about how much ad assets u need to upgrade enchantments and shards in the new refine system u could see that to refine enchantments from lvl 1 to 5 cost only 8k ad - that the equivalent ad to all assets u need buy in vendor. so this is not very much ad cost. from lvl 5 to 6 u need 43k that includes again all refine points and potency mark u buy from vendor. from lvl 6 to 7 128k ad. of course if u find the potency mark this some is deminished. u probbly could find refine points also from all bots selling in ah and i guess this will be lower than store .( please dont tell me someone selling 6000 residuum is not bot- so he has other bots that give him this). maybe cryptic will now do something with bots as selling refine point is hearting them directly in the ad they can earn. that was not the case when bots sell enchantments and all other stuff - that u cant buy in store or zen shop. maybe i post again the my post on enchantments.

pitshade · November 2013

I sold a stack of 999 Residuum this weekend and I don't farm mobs or skill nodes nearly as much as I used to.

It's hard to say how many of the Marks you'll have to buy. I messed around on Preview for awhile and was able to get some of the smaller marks. For the blue and purple ones, it's going to be a matter of forming groups to run epic dungeons for full clear, to get the marks from chests and bosses. At the moment, there's no way of knowing how many marks you'll get per run. As for the refining points, I just ran quests in Sharandar for an hour and got tons of rank 3s and 4s. The refining gems on the preview server don't seem to be that rare either. I wouldn't worry about the cost of RP unless you've got far more AD than time to play. The big question at this point is getting enough wards for the high level enchants if you want to go above rank 7s or have weapon and armor enhancements.

oriyellow8 · November 2013

pitshade i dont know if u trolling or something - u sold 999 residuum this week and u dont farm much??? please tell u secret couse i dont think i had 999 residuum ever (unless i buy it) and im playing from start game. i also took ur "advise" and farmed sharandar for 10 min - guess what no refine points ever found - i open 15 profession pods and only found 1 lesser mark. no refine points. probably waiting my time posting this.

pitshade · November 2013

I don't farm 'as much' as I used to. Also, I have 5 chars at rank 20 leadership so that's a lot of chests that drop resources. I didn't get it all in one day, probably took a month to get that much. It is possible to get tons of resources for the AH without any kind of exploit.

I've been farming Sharandar for the last few days to get enchants for rank 5-7 before the module launches. In one hour this morning, I had 7 rank 4 radiants and I don't know how many other types. A bunch of rank 3s from skill nodes as well. Those are the RP I'm talking about.

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