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Auto Invoke

thorak257thorak257 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
edited November 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Is the use of a 3rd party program like <removed> or <removed> used for the purpose of invoking automatically every day against the EULA? I don't even know if it would work, but I was wondering if anybody tried it or if you would get banned for automating invoking?
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  • aquillazxaquillazx Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2013
    I'm fairly sure that the use of any 3rd party program that automates actions for you wouldn't be allowed. There's a slight , very slight chance that I may be wrong but I haven't played any MMO yet where it's oke to use a 3rd party program to do things.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Pure multiboxing (not automation) or purely graphical (like improved anti-aliasing) is the only instance I have heard of being permitted to use 3rd party programs.

    Even those are normally covered in broad language in Terms of Service, but unofficially permitted in those instances.

    This would clearly be a case of automation and I know of no MMO that would allow that under any circumstance.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited October 2013
    Terms of Service:
    Neverwinter Terms of Service wrote:
    16. Official Service and Beta Testing

    The games are designed for play only as offered through our Services at the Website. You agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which the game may be played by others, such as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or give you an advantage in the use of the Services which is not authorized by PWE, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for the games, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by these Terms and the applicable EULA. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure.

    No you may not use unauthorized third party software and absolutely nothing which automates actions within the game. Now you can dictate key combinations (such as having a single key act as Ctrl + I) but you must directly apply every key stroke in order to not violate the Terms of Service.
  • dante123pldante123pl Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 282 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    make us able to invoke from gateway
  • thorak257thorak257 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    dante123pl wrote: »
    make us able to invoke from gateway

    I agree being able to invoke from gateway would be the ultimate solution.

    I understand 3rd party tools that give you an advantage are illegal but automating invoking doesn't really give you an advantage. It's just reducing the tedium.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited October 2013
    From the recent IRC Q&A with Andy "The Squez" Valasquez.
    IRC Interview wrote:
    [21:08] <%QuestionServ> any chances of making it possible to invocate via the gateway?

    [21:09] <%TheSquez> Hey Nemesis
    [21:09] <+Nemesis_the_Warlock> Hey
    [21:10] <%TheSquez> yeah...hmm naaaah...hmm maybe
    [21:10] <%TheSquez> haha
    [21:10] <%TheSquez> we've talked about this a ton
    [21:11] <+Nemesis_the_Warlock> I have 5 toons and I need a faster way to do it please!!
    [21:11] <%TheSquez> i dont think we'll ever go down the route of just "there is a button that you can press to invoke from the web"
    [21:11] <+Nemesis_the_Warlock> awww
    [21:11] <%TheSquez> but what we might do is have some way to do something to have your invocation count
    [21:11] <%TheSquez> somethign with a minor gameplay element
    [21:11] <%TheSquez> or something on gateway
    [21:11] <%TheSquez> similar
    [21:11] <+Nemesis_the_Warlock> nice
    [21:12] <%TheSquez> but likely there wont be anything in the short term
    [21:12] <%TheSquez> know that it is on our radar for sure tho
    [21:12] <+Nemesis_the_Warlock> great I'll let my G+ people know
    [21:12] <%TheSquez> i know i've been bummed when I needed to be away for a bit and i couldnt figure out a way to invoke for the day
    [21:12] <+Nemesis_the_Warlock> me too
    [21:13] <@Dragostini&gt; Thanks for the question Nemesis_the_Warlock :D
  • reiwulfreiwulf Member Posts: 2,687 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Being able to invoke once every hour is made to make people login to the game. If you can do professions and invoking from an external site, many people wouldn't log in any more. I guess that's not what the devs would want.
    So I guess there's little chance of it happening.
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  • mlegermleger Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 147 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    dante123pl wrote: »
    make us able to invoke from gateway

    i dont think so, see server activity sells well to investors. if you login every day to pray for all your toon's you are generating server activity.
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  • thorak257thorak257 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I just wish I could setup a task to login 3 times during the middle of the night to invoke on all my 7 toons so I wouldn't have to worry about it.
  • reiwulfreiwulf Member Posts: 2,687 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    You don't HAVE to worry about it, just go to sleep and forget about the game for the night XD
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  • nornsavantnornsavant Member Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thorak257 wrote: »
    I just wish I could setup a task to login 3 times during the middle of the night to invoke on all my 7 toons so I wouldn't have to worry about it.

    PWE: We want to see more people logged on to your servers!

    Dev Team: AGH!! OKAY! Hmmm maybe we could make some automation tools to log you on in hours where you might not be home or awake.
  • thorak257thorak257 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nornsavant wrote: »
    PWE: We want to see more people logged on to your servers!

    Dev Team: AGH!! OKAY! Hmmm maybe we could make some automation tools to log you on in hours where you might not be home or awake.

    I don't expect anything to be done about it. I was simply trying to argue the point that using tools to invoke didn't give any advantage and is not at all the same as someone using tools to play PvP better.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited October 2013
    thorak257 wrote: »
    I don't expect anything to be done about it. I was simply trying to argue the point that using tools to invoke didn't give any advantage and is not at all the same as someone using tools to play PvP better.

    Being able to invoke without you actively controlling whether you do or not is an unfair advantage.
  • nornsavantnornsavant Member Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Doesn’t give advantage? But of course it gives advantage. If your fellow is invoking while you are in the other room watching teen wolf, that is an advantage. No one else can do that unless they too are using third party programs.

    If it doesn’t involve you sitting at your computer pressing a key with your fingers then it is verboten. I know that sounds a little pompous coming from a user such as myself but the “are you sitting there pressing a button” test is the one I hear most commonly used to visualize the strictures of the agreement.
  • thorak257thorak257 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    If they want to force us to login, then why have the Gateway at all then?
  • imsmithyimsmithy Member Posts: 1,378 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Don't see what all the fuss is about anyways , they have nerfed the chance to get a Coalescent ward into the ground and the only other thing worth invoking for is the Angel and that's not exactly an earth shattering companion really is it?
  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thorak257 wrote: »
    If they want to force us to login, then why have the Gateway at all then?

    the gateway is a great way to manage auctions and professions while you are away. honestly, the intent of invocation is an incentive to play, not an incentive to log in, invoke and log out. but that is what some people do. sometimes you have time to play and sometimes you don't.

    that being said, i doubt that they'll every allow invocation from the gateway. if they were going to do that, they might as well get rid of invocation completely.
  • slytwnslytwn Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Agreed, lets get rid of it completely. Some of us don't play 7 days a week and with the change to Coal wards, this is going to be a show stopper.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited November 2013
    . . . . . 3rd Party Apps that provide unattended automation are against the ToS and EULA. Raising dead threads is considered Necromancy per our Rules of Conduct. Just to note though, they may be able to add the ability to invoke via Gateway. Check out the Preview Gateway forums and give feedback on that wish.
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