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Gauntlgrym Dwarf King Dungeon can be very profitable
chocobofarmer
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I have noticed ever since shard merge, delzoun have been winning most of the gauntlgrym pvp's. This is very much due to the fact that many delzoun with 11-12k+ gs go there not for grym coins, but to farm dwarf king for t2 items. Am delzoun, but I find it very unfortunate that luskans only very rarely get access to dwarf king dungeon, and it's also sad they don't get to earn much grym coins in pvp. Luskans have the best pvp guilds and could certainly stomp delzoun if they went to gauntlgrym to farm t2 just like delzoun do.
Also I think it'd be nice if access to T2 dungeon wasn't dependent on who won. If I was luskan I'd be pissed as heck I only got to go the dwarf king dungeon about once every 20 gauntlgryms, and this would be the easiest solution.
Also I think it'd be nice if access to T2 dungeon wasn't dependent on who won. If I was luskan I'd be pissed as heck I only got to go the dwarf king dungeon about once every 20 gauntlgryms, and this would be the easiest solution.
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1) Yes, T2 GG can make a lot of AD, but not for long. Very soon, 4-5 runs per GG T2 will be reduced to 2-3, depending on how quickly you can clear the dungeon. Long story short, they're putting up a door in the Dwarf King Crypt to curb speed runs.
2) Luskan has some great PVP guilds, but so does Delzoun. We have Essence of Aggression, Purple Dragons, Slash Killme and Nightmare Inc, to name a few.
3) Although I've seen both sides win GG T2 since the merge, I would agree that Delzoun tends to have more wins.
4) DKC is only one reason we run GG T2. There are three Daily quests that give rough AD, and Neverember often has GG quests as well.
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My feeling is that Guild Allegiance change should be free of charge if it is changing to the faction that has fewer players (measured by number of guilds x number of players in that guild at level 60. Ideally with last active <45 days but that may be too much to ask)
That could potentially result in a lot more Luskan side players which not only boosts Luskan's chances of winning GG but also allows people to actually get into PvP if they didn't queue as a party of 5 (priority queue) or within the first 1.5 minutes of Armories of Moradin starting.
I know you do not need to participate in PvP to get the Armories Share, but you do need it for your dailies and coins.
PvE is also not wholly pointless (well it probably is for Delzoun since we win GG overall 90% of the time anyway), as the score carries over into PvP and thus the total. Meaning that if every active Luskan did their best in PvE, they probably could win GG more often due to the score bonus.
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Now it's much more fun running from high geared players of paragon delzoun side
P.S dem gewd pooladines, me hates playing for good ppl!
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Once I get Grym coin geared, I stop doing GG. It's an hour and a half time sink for a chance at a DKC that usually never happens for me (yup, I'm in a Luskan guild). So what's the point? Where's the incentive? I absolutely loved it when it first came out and even farmed the achievements for it. Now... it's just a means to jump past t1 and get geared for t2 epic dungeons to get THAT gear.
And what really pisses me off, is that DKC is the ONLY place to kill ghosts for that achievement. So, my inner achievement hunter roars at that, but since I'm in a guild-of-friends I'm not going to bail on them for a Delzoun guild.
My end complaint that's vaguely on topic (okay it isn't at all): Put ghosts elsewhere PLEASE! Not even neverdeath has them.
I did gg yesterday trying to get T2 and dragging the guild along with me
Before the match started the things I heard were just so stupid...
"try you best everyone. But if we lose, make sure you fight off the points so we lose faster"
This attitude is what makes it so hard for even the pvp guild to carry a game. As good as some pvpers are 5 v 20 is never pleasant.
Also, even if we do win our pvp and even win a second one, it is not enough to carry the other instances which are losing.
I think who wins the "overall battle" should be specific to pvp instances. That would mean both sides could access the T2 depending on if they won their pvp, and the original PvE part, so people who tried would not be tied to people who fail on purpose.
The problem is you can hardly plan a group for it because of the chance of losing and you wasted almost an hour for it...
And stay with me here, add a chest at the end of DKC that. And I know this might not sit well with people, drops t1/t2 BoP (can hear the eye rolls there) only for the winners, who get a 5 stack of a special token that's redeemable during that 30 minute window, that then expires along with your whatchyacallits.... shares? (its been a minute since I last did GG, so sorry if that's the wrong term.)
Fox Stevenson - Sandblast
Oh Wonder - Without You
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
- Dylan Thomas
Guess which side I'm on. :P
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Absolutely this.
There are, but most people don't read the forums and don't know the tactics. Running with random PUGs, I complete about 1 in 4 runs. I'm sure it's not my fault
Turns out you just need to drive around the track really fast.
I have scored top with 0 kills.
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1. PVE portion. Oddly enough, you only need to score 1 point to get the scroll. That means if you simply kill a druegar, you're good.
2. PVP portion or second phase PVE. Winning side gets the T2 scroll.
Then you have access to DKC.
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Which gate incident? The one where the Luskans were able to jump over the gate or the one where Delzoun was able to jump over the gate?? I have a player on both sides.
Initially, both sides could jump the gate. Over the course of a few patches, the exploit was fixed on the Luskan side but not on the Delzoun side. The end result was that Delzoun always won because they would have an insurmountable lead before the game even began.
Taking a break from Neverwinter indefinitely...
In a month of Gauntlgryming I've managed to get into the Dwarf King's dungeon/crypt ONCE. The steamrolling we get is beyond ridiculous. It isn't even close.
I don't know what do you mean.
Even if I go with the best pvp premade team, doing my very best, winning 2 matches and win the 1st phase my fraction can still lose and I can only go T1 fardelver crypt (with t1 or no drops...)instead of T2 Dwarf King and I wasted an hour for it.
I think you can't do anything to prevent your fraction losing so its not worth the planning and the time...
I can run DK multiple times thats not my problem. I cant get in properly.
This + not being able to tell your entire side things without the enemies hearing. Does little good telling 4 other people in your party when its random. Premades are different, but I want to tell my 19 other teammates sometimes.
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http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?518031-How-to-win-in-pvp
Trash talk is usually expected in PvP sometimes, the GG chat can just get really nasty.
One of my toons is aligned with a Luskan guild, and we get stomped every time I PUG. The PvP score bar for our side is barely above 25% the whole time in many matches. The "kick 'em while they're down" gloating on chat from the opponents can be pretty distasteful, and I sometimes see other teammates campfire sitting because the enemy groups up right at the spawn area for the turkey shoot.
I guess that's the point - to rattle your opponents, but sometimes I wonder if that type of over-the-top behavior is why I have been consistently getting into Delzoun aligned PvP (on another toon) with 2 - 5 minutes left on the clock lately.
Yah I could never understand this. Why is there cross faction chat, but no way to actually just communicate only with your raid. What good is communication/teamwork if the other team knows exactly your plan. So backwards. (Guess they knew it was just a horse race, who needs communication when its that; so kind of makes sense if the developers figured it was just who has the 110% mounts)
Fox Stevenson - Sandblast
Oh Wonder - Without You
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
- Dylan Thomas
ive been in both sides and the major difference i see is the attitude i just see so many luskans running back when they see team mates in trouble... or just not trying heroic node holds to buy time for the rest of the big pack to arrive.
Ah I got you Kozi, My mistake. Yah all you can really hope for if you're on Luskan, you randomly run it in a time slot that wins. Which is not very common. That or get your guild to switch factions.
PS my main is luskan, I felt that pain many a GG for monthes after release.
Fox Stevenson - Sandblast
Oh Wonder - Without You
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
- Dylan Thomas
Probably in the future I will fill a pvp istance with 4 guild party simply by pressing k once.