Not sure why you would not drink potions......it is kind of like a soccer player who buys better cleats to help win the game, why would you gimp yourself? Guess I don't follow the logic. However much respect to you gctrl
pvp pots are fine, other than that you should really only be getting fire camp buff.
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So by your logic it's ok to use a OP enchant...but not ok for people to beef their stats up just a bit to counter your OP enchant..
you got sound reasoning there...
Yes man, my "OP" silvery enchants or my "OP" darks.
All you should be using in PvP are PvP healing pots and Campfire buff, using elixirs and armor swapping is ridiculous and noone should be doing it in a Premade vs Premade setting. Pretty much all the Top pvp guilds understand this and its been an unwritten law since people started doing organized pvp in this game. What you do in pugs doesn't matter much, but in premades there are rules you should follow.
Please go away with your "OP enchant" nonsense, troll.
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Yes man, my "OP" silvery enchants or my "OP" darks.
All you should be using in PvP are PvP healing pots and Campfire buff, using elixirs and armor swapping is ridiculous and noone should be doing it in a Premade vs Premade setting. Pretty much all the Top pvp guilds understand this and its been an unwritten law since people started doing organized pvp in this game. What you do in pugs doesn't matter much, but in premades there are rules you should follow.
Please go away with your "OP enchant" nonsense, troll.
I would disable elixirs in PvP, and make it so that if you have a elixire active before joining PvP, its effect ends the moment you enter the arena.
Yes man, my "OP" silvery enchants or my "OP" darks.
All you should be using in PvP are PvP healing pots and Campfire buff, using elixirs and armor swapping is ridiculous and noone should be doing it in a Premade vs Premade setting. Pretty much all the Top pvp guilds understand this and its been an unwritten law since people started doing organized pvp in this game. What you do in pugs doesn't matter much, but in premades there are rules you should follow.
Please go away with your "OP enchant" nonsense, troll.
The only person trolling here is you trying to convince people we are talking about Silver or Dark Enchants...
Most of your guild runs with ( ran with ) Tenebrous and thats ok, even though it abused the system. Your defense every month was : it is available to everyone.
So are those potions....
build a bridge and get over it.
Edit: oh and back when rejuv pots worked, guess those videos on Youtube and Twitch of LS Rejuv'ing it up was ok too as well ?
A casual glance on the forums here will point out some older posts GCTRL where you used to be one of those people calling out Lemonade Stand for doing the same exact thing your attempting to say they dont do...
SO I get it...
You dont wear the guild tag, screw LS...
You do wear the guild tag, *angelic voice* oh.. we dont do stuff like that*
Got it, thanks for clarifying yourself..
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2013
I've only fought against LS twice. To their credit I saw zero exploiting. Mind you, we were all dying so quickly for their DPS that they probably didn't need to. :eek:
Not to mention it was one of their founding members who popularized armor swapping...
We found it out, popularized it. Now we tell people not to do it and we abide by it as well. What's wrong with that? I've used rejuv pots as well but not to the extent you guys are probably assuming and this was before joining LS. Playing the blame game is very immature, as if no other players and guilds have done it. Honestly to me all the complaints about LS just sound like jealousy.
How would you feel if you found out about it, popularized it, and now are under flame for it all the time?
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faiteaccompliiMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2
edited October 2013
I think in a premade vs premade setting where you have preset agreed upon rules yes if you agree on no pots, no armor swapping this is good to follow the rules and not then go ahead and use them.
However, in normal pvp, anything goes for me. I am not a cheat or hacker lol but seriously, I hear people in /zone in pvp "Dude you used you daily, how cheap!!!" or "Oh yea sure have your healer heal ya why don't ya?'
Or my very favorite is when they yell at CW's for kiting lol....calling it cheap etc. Come on , it is pvp, you use what tools are in your arsenal.
It can be taken too far, but i do understand in premades you are trying to have completely level playing fields, me I prefer open world pvp where anything goes, anything at all, but that is due to my background being TEXT MUD pvp, DAOC (though not totally open world much bigger field of play and lots of cheap shots going on) and WOW. (vanilla, i dont care for the pvp in wow now)
On Armor Swapping , game mechanics are allowing this....until game mechanics are not allowing it people will do it. Cheap or not it works and it is not exploiting. Neither are pot's unless you are in a premade with rules game.
Any LS people I've played with in PUG's have been fine Do their job, do it well .
I think in a premade vs premade setting where you have preset agreed upon rules yes if you agree on no pots, no armor swapping this is good to follow the rules and not then go ahead and use them.
However, in normal pvp, anything goes for me. I am not a cheat or hacker lol but seriously, I hear people in /zone in pvp "Dude you used you daily, how cheap!!!" or "Oh yea sure have your healer heal ya why don't ya?'
Or my very favorite is when they yell at CW's for kiting lol....calling it cheap etc. Come on , it is pvp, you use what tools are in your arsenal.
It can be taken too far, but i do understand in premades you are trying to have completely level playing fields, me I prefer open world pvp where anything goes, anything at all, but that is due to my background being TEXT MUD pvp, DAOC (though not totally open world much bigger field of play and lots of cheap shots going on) and WOW. (vanilla, i dont care for the pvp in wow now)
On Armor Swapping , game mechanics are allowing this....until game mechanics are not allowing it people will do it. Cheap or not it works and it is not exploiting. Neither are pot's unless you are in a premade with rules game.
Any LS people I've played with in PUG's have been fine Do their job, do it well .
Reputable guilds follow these rules not only because they consider it to be honorable fighting but also because doing things like armor swapping, drinking 5 elixers, etc. cheapens the victory. We would much rather hear "yep they stomped us, but at least they weren't dicks about it" than "OMG they were swapping armor every 5 seconds and had 25 buffs on their bar!!!!".
If you need pots and armor swapping to win it's not really a win IMO.
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We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
On Armor Swapping , game mechanics are allowing this....until game mechanics are not allowing it people will do it. Cheap or not it works and it is not exploiting. Neither are pot's unless you are in a premade with rules game.
Because an action is permissible doesn't mean it's not an exploit. Many people found very fast ways to run CN, MC and many other dungeons. It is exploiting, even if it isn't yet fixed. Armor swapping is an exploit, it simply hasn't been dealt with yet.
Reputable guilds follow these rules not only because they consider it to be honorable fighting but also because doing things like armor swapping, drinking 5 elixers, etc. cheapens the victory. We would much rather hear "yep they stomped us, but at least they weren't dicks about it" than "OMG they were swapping armor every 5 seconds and had 25 buffs on their bar!!!!".
If you need pots and armor swapping to win it's not really a win IMO.
I agree on premades for sure If it is agreed upon it should be followed.
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josiahiyonMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 396Arc User
edited October 2013
This is not the place to discuss this rule. That's why I created the following thread:
Gannicus had an interesting, rational perspective on why he is not in favor of elixirs/etc in PVP.
So far, those in this thread have relied mainly on logical fallacies (appeal to authority, appeal to emotion) and inconsistent positions.
The question is 'why do reputable pvp guilds choose not to use pvp elixirs?'.
Thus, the answer is not 'because reputable pvp guilds choose not to use pvp elixirs'.
Please see the link for some discussion on the topic and question.
How would you feel if you found out about it, popularized it, and now are under flame for it all the time?
Nothing wrong with finding out about it, but you pretty much have to abuse it to popularize it. I simply wouldn't do that. I thought it was cheap and underhanded the first time I tried it. So I stopped doing it. You guys get flamed for it cause you were known for doing it.
You dont wear the guild tag, screw LS...
You do wear the guild tag, *angelic voice* oh.. we dont do stuff like that*
Got it, thanks for clarifying yourself..
There were maybe 2 people in LS using rejuv pots like that at the time, Fear and one other person, and they've been gone for months now. Quite frankly that is dubious territory to even argue on, because many people in LS were using regen before people realized it was a good stat, so when you saw them tick for 1000+ hp when they dropped low you thought it was a regen pot or something else.
And yes, its pretty much been established by countless people that you are in fact a troll.
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And yes, its pretty much been established by countless people that you are in fact a troll.
I know for a fact the number is much lower than countless, I would argue the number is very similar in number to a specific guild...and a handful of people who are naive enough to listen to them.
Regardless, I do alot for the community and test and stand up to concepts and people who need standing up to.
If that is your version of a troll, someone who calls people out on bullsh*t and fakeness... then i will wear that badge proudly.
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faiteaccompliiMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2
Gannicus had an interesting, rational perspective on why he is not in favor of elixirs/etc in PVP.
So far, those in this thread have relied mainly on logical fallacies (appeal to authority, appeal to emotion) and inconsistent positions.
The question is 'why do reputable pvp guilds choose not to use pvp elixirs?'.
Thus, the answer is not 'because reputable pvp guilds choose not to use pvp elixirs'.
Please see the link for some discussion on the topic and question.
Thanks!! Maybe along with armor swapping Cryptic can weigh in on potions in pvp too. If it is an 'exploit' it would be great if they just make it not possible.
There were maybe 2 people in LS using rejuv pots like that at the time, Fear and one other person, and they've been gone for months now. Quite frankly that is dubious territory to even argue on, because many people in LS were using regen before people realized it was a good stat, so when you saw them tick for 1000+ hp when they dropped low you thought it was a regen pot or something else.
Gonna have to call BS on that. There were numerous Twitch streams and vids of numerous Lemonade Stand players that always had rejuv pots in their bars while PvPing. It was standard operating procedure for you guys until Cryptic patched it.
Gonna have to call BS on that. There were numerous Twitch streams and vids of numerous Lemonade Stand players that always had rejuv pots in their bars while PvPing. It was standard operating procedure for you guys until Cryptic patched it.
Gonna have to call BS on that. There were numerous Twitch streams and vids of numerous Essence of Aggression players that always had rejuv pots in their bars while PvPing. It was standard operating procedure for them until Cryptic patched it.
See bro, I can make declarative statements as well.
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pvp pots are fine, other than that you should really only be getting fire camp buff.
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Yes man, my "OP" silvery enchants or my "OP" darks.
All you should be using in PvP are PvP healing pots and Campfire buff, using elixirs and armor swapping is ridiculous and noone should be doing it in a Premade vs Premade setting. Pretty much all the Top pvp guilds understand this and its been an unwritten law since people started doing organized pvp in this game. What you do in pugs doesn't matter much, but in premades there are rules you should follow.
Please go away with your "OP enchant" nonsense, troll.
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I would disable elixirs in PvP, and make it so that if you have a elixire active before joining PvP, its effect ends the moment you enter the arena.
What is armor swapping in PvP? What does it do?
The only person trolling here is you trying to convince people we are talking about Silver or Dark Enchants...
Most of your guild runs with ( ran with ) Tenebrous and thats ok, even though it abused the system. Your defense every month was : it is available to everyone.
So are those potions....
build a bridge and get over it.
Edit: oh and back when rejuv pots worked, guess those videos on Youtube and Twitch of LS Rejuv'ing it up was ok too as well ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODQI3OjVao
A casual glance on the forums here will point out some older posts GCTRL where you used to be one of those people calling out Lemonade Stand for doing the same exact thing your attempting to say they dont do...
SO I get it...
You dont wear the guild tag, screw LS...
You do wear the guild tag, *angelic voice* oh.. we dont do stuff like that*
Got it, thanks for clarifying yourself..
Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
Not to mention it was one of their founding members who popularized armor swapping...
We found it out, popularized it. Now we tell people not to do it and we abide by it as well. What's wrong with that? I've used rejuv pots as well but not to the extent you guys are probably assuming and this was before joining LS. Playing the blame game is very immature, as if no other players and guilds have done it. Honestly to me all the complaints about LS just sound like jealousy.
How would you feel if you found out about it, popularized it, and now are under flame for it all the time?
However, in normal pvp, anything goes for me. I am not a cheat or hacker lol but seriously, I hear people in /zone in pvp "Dude you used you daily, how cheap!!!" or "Oh yea sure have your healer heal ya why don't ya?'
Or my very favorite is when they yell at CW's for kiting lol....calling it cheap etc. Come on , it is pvp, you use what tools are in your arsenal.
It can be taken too far, but i do understand in premades you are trying to have completely level playing fields, me I prefer open world pvp where anything goes, anything at all, but that is due to my background being TEXT MUD pvp, DAOC (though not totally open world much bigger field of play and lots of cheap shots going on) and WOW. (vanilla, i dont care for the pvp in wow now)
On Armor Swapping , game mechanics are allowing this....until game mechanics are not allowing it people will do it. Cheap or not it works and it is not exploiting. Neither are pot's unless you are in a premade with rules game.
Any LS people I've played with in PUG's have been fine
Reputable guilds follow these rules not only because they consider it to be honorable fighting but also because doing things like armor swapping, drinking 5 elixers, etc. cheapens the victory. We would much rather hear "yep they stomped us, but at least they weren't dicks about it" than "OMG they were swapping armor every 5 seconds and had 25 buffs on their bar!!!!".
If you need pots and armor swapping to win it's not really a win IMO.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Because an action is permissible doesn't mean it's not an exploit. Many people found very fast ways to run CN, MC and many other dungeons. It is exploiting, even if it isn't yet fixed. Armor swapping is an exploit, it simply hasn't been dealt with yet.
Join Essence of Aggression: PVP-ing Hard Since Beta!
I agree on premades for sure
Elixirs, Feasts, and Caprese in PVP
Gannicus had an interesting, rational perspective on why he is not in favor of elixirs/etc in PVP.
So far, those in this thread have relied mainly on logical fallacies (appeal to authority, appeal to emotion) and inconsistent positions.
The question is 'why do reputable pvp guilds choose not to use pvp elixirs?'.
Thus, the answer is not 'because reputable pvp guilds choose not to use pvp elixirs'.
Please see the link for some discussion on the topic and question.
Elixirs, Feasts, and Caprese in PVP
Iyon the Dark
Has Cryptic ever weighed in on anything before they nerf it? Very rarely.
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Nothing wrong with finding out about it, but you pretty much have to abuse it to popularize it. I simply wouldn't do that. I thought it was cheap and underhanded the first time I tried it. So I stopped doing it. You guys get flamed for it cause you were known for doing it.
There were maybe 2 people in LS using rejuv pots like that at the time, Fear and one other person, and they've been gone for months now. Quite frankly that is dubious territory to even argue on, because many people in LS were using regen before people realized it was a good stat, so when you saw them tick for 1000+ hp when they dropped low you thought it was a regen pot or something else.
And yes, its pretty much been established by countless people that you are in fact a troll.
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I know for a fact the number is much lower than countless, I would argue the number is very similar in number to a specific guild...and a handful of people who are naive enough to listen to them.
Regardless, I do alot for the community and test and stand up to concepts and people who need standing up to.
If that is your version of a troll, someone who calls people out on bullsh*t and fakeness... then i will wear that badge proudly.
Thanks!! Maybe along with armor swapping Cryptic can weigh in on potions in pvp too. If it is an 'exploit' it would be great if they just make it not possible.
Fail troll is fail.
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Gonna have to call BS on that. There were numerous Twitch streams and vids of numerous Lemonade Stand players that always had rejuv pots in their bars while PvPing. It was standard operating procedure for you guys until Cryptic patched it.
Gonna have to call BS on that. There were numerous Twitch streams and vids of numerous Essence of Aggression players that always had rejuv pots in their bars while PvPing. It was standard operating procedure for them until Cryptic patched it.
See bro, I can make declarative statements as well.
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The ..... is really necessary here.
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