Some very very minor forum+Twitch people (who as forum users are already very minor in the overall scheme of things) seem to be mad over all the wrong things: an Epic companion declaration from a pre-recorded gameplay video. Instead, the majority of the in-game complaints are actually of the really tedious and highly annoying event minigame compared to previous events, especially Midsummer.
If you are going to look at the rewards in isolation, it should be obvious the rewards themselves for such a lite event are actually quite good plus they are all guaranteed rewards.
That said, considering they did show an Epic companion and the type of event minigame this is (a non-casually farmable "grinding squared"), it would have made much more sense for the companion to have been at least Rare and not Uncommon, even if it meant slightly raising the 600 token requirement. Nerfing the drop rate instead would have affected purchasing all the other rewards and the limiting factor is not the drop rate anyway but the number of Illusionists, town lag and the resulting frustration.
But I guess what's done is done!
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netrunnnnrMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 13Arc User
edited October 2013
The plan is to grind your butt of for the green pet and then their hope is you buy zen to xfer into AD to upgrade them to something usefull
I'm curious as to why this companion "evolved" in such a way,....QUOTE]
Because someone realized you don't give purple pets without zen purchase.
EXACTLY what I think..Don't get me wrong I don't mind spending money on a game.. I spent probably about $500 on this one.. But i am feeling like Neverwinter is more like a spyware problem haha Buy This, Pay for That. Buy some of this
Some very very minor forum+Twitch people (who as forum users are already very minor in the overall scheme of things) seem to be mad over all the wrong things:
Calling people "very very minor" in a clumsy attempt to marginalize and handwave their observations is the shoddy work of a very, very minor intellect.
If you are going to look at the rewards in isolation, it should be obvious the rewards themselves for such a lite event are actually quite good plus they are all guaranteed rewards.
Neither the rewards, nor the reward schedule, are at issue; the issue is that last night during a livestream to promote the event, a purple companion was shown to be the big prize for participation; a few hours later it turns out to be green like all the others have been.
That has the outward appearance of misrepresentation.
Calling people "very very minor" in a clumsy attempt to marginalize and handwave their observations is the shoddy work of a very, very minor intellect.
Considering forum users make up a tiny fraction of the 200,000+ playerbase (being ultra conservative). Then on top of that how many of those do you think would have watched a livestream about a minor seasonal event, you do the math!
If you feel marginalized, that's your problem and guess what... you wouldn't be wrong.
Considering forum users make up a tiny fraction of the 200,000+ playerbase (being ultra conservative). Then on top of that how many of those do you think would have watched a livestream about a minor seasonal event, you do the math!
If you feel marginalized, that's your problem and guess what... you wouldn't be wrong.
Besides, the point has been addressed by the CM.
55000 people watching a liveevent is a pretty substantial number in my opinion.
Anyways it still feels weird complaining about free stuff, and I guess im also more disappointed than mad. Did some farming today in protectors, and after getting 50 points I gave up. Not even the waukeen coinfarm was this tedious.
Dont get me wrong, I love the decorations and the crazy monsters walking around the place, but after running the circle for the 5th time it is no longer not even remotely fun.
I'll agree that it kinda sucks that tey showed a purple companion then gave us a green companion but all these people who are complaining about grinding for it are just crazy. people were grinding like crazy just for a chance at possible blue skeleton dog companion which many still didn't get, same thing happened during the last 2 skirm events. And yet heres a companion where you can get simply by running in a circle around enclave for an hour or 2 and people are like "F that". Are you serious? Go find a good foundry to grind, collect a bunch of tokens then just run a circle for a few hours and you've got it.
Also, I don't know why everyone becomes so caught up in the "new companion" frenzy since even now Im pretty sure you can still find the Blue skeleton dog in AH. Which simply proves that the latest is not always the greatest. SO my advice is simple, only get it if you really want it, otherwise, grind what you can, get what you want, sell the rest.
i didn't think it was a bait and switch. and i don't think that the item was even the focus. it was just in there on the closed server and popped up as the event was being previewed. cryptic has made statements before about changes and things that are being previewed and discussed prior to the official release. but we're all human and sometimes we forget about those things.
it was good on sominator and the company to come out and remind us that things that we are privileged to see prior to official release may be changed.
I am not a defender of the company in any way, but I did hear sominator say many, many times that things we were seeing were subject to change. Yes......When he was saying it he was talking mostly about the upcoming changes (ranger/Mod 2) but it still covered the Halloween event. Also, he really didn't seem to know all that much about the event. The other guy (forgot his name) came over and explained a few things about it and that was about it. I wouldn't really call it bait and switch.
Honestly, I am glad they changed it to green because I couldn't imagine turning in 1800 of those tokens. That would drive me insane. I'm not even going to farm for a skeleton because there is no way I want to turn in that many tokens. I think I will just get 1 fashion item per character and be done with it. It is a nice looking event but the turn in part is a real turn off.
BTW....Nice job on adding the Dye to the vendor. It gives us something cheap to buy with any excess currency we end up with. I haven't checked it out yet but I heard it looks pretty good.
Get over it. It's trick and treat. They said purple now it's green. That's Halloween. As if this companion would change your gameplay! Come on, much worse is the fact that this event is nothing but a grind. There is absolutely nothing there to entertain you for 5 days. That is a much bigger problem than another striker companion *yawn* that is green and not purple. How many strikers from those events do one need anyway? Maybe module 2 brings something cool (it was written that companions buff you somehow) but as long as we don't know what a skeleton will provide this is just a fluff pet anyway.
Yes, they did this one purpose to attract players. Yes, they want to hold all purple companions for the Zen market. This is what is call false advertisement, oOr they are just brain cell challenged. This is like a store showing a picture of a big 50" tv and when you get there it's a 36" model and all you get is oops/sorry. QA your stuff Cryptic! While this is a fantasy world and there is no obligation to make good on your advertisement, morally you are on the hook.
But you know what, if the cost to upgrade the companions was not so prohibited, then the issue would not be less impacting. But only the one percent can afford to upgrade these companions and be useful in the long run.
How does it feel to be taken in. When I arrived at the Enclave, and saw the amount of people piled up at the stage, the first thing I though was "Oh yeah they want that purple skely". This is two events in a row where players are not satisfied. Waukeen let out a whole bunch of skeletons out of the closet. Justify it all you want, and make up excuses for Cryptic all you want, but ht e fact is they dropped the ball and we are the ones left with disappointment.
Yes, they did this one purpose to attract players. Yes, they want to hold all purple companions for the Zen market. This is what is call false advertisement, oOr they are just brain cell challenged. This is like a store showing a picture of a big 50" tv and when you get there it's a 36" model and all you get is oops/sorry. QA your stuff Cryptic! While this is a fantasy world and there is no obligation to make good on your advertisement, morally you are on the hook.
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." -Napoleon Bonaparte
If you want the companion wait till the end of the event and buy it for 100 or 150k. Its not worth to play like 10 hours for something which is worth like $3
I don't get why people are so angry, sure, they said it was going to be purple and then changed it, as someone already said, things change before going live, don't get any previews like it was 100% truth.
What do you mean they don't like showing off content when it's early in development? Are you new?! They have a TEST Server, They have and promote the heck out of NEW stuff all the time such as the TWITCH feed. I just don't understand why everyone jumps in to defend this type of thing? I get that your passionate about the game so am I that is why I posted to begin with (and have invested in the game as heavily as I have) however this type of thing just doesn't fly with me. The TWITCH chat channel exploded when they showed that Purple companion and not once did the "Hosts" come out and say ANYTHING about it as "might be changed / subject to change etc....). Anyway the point is made let the thread necro into the abyss where it belongs at this point.
I don't get why people are so angry, sure, they said it was going to be purple and then changed it, as someone already said, things change before going live, don't get any previews like it was 100% truth.
I think that the point of contention is that, as of yet, as practice there has never been a purple companion given away as a reward without having to spend zen. It's just part of the business model. As such, there was absolutely zero reason to even display a purple item as a carrot before the cart, because based on everything thus far, it was never intended to be offered. Early development excuses are really just a load of bull. Their business model does not support even the possibility.
In fact. I'd challenge anybody to provide one iota of relevance to the impact in game-play that a purple companion reward would have over the abundance of other purple striker companions already in game. The only reason it was changed, was because there was no monetization in it.
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dardoveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2013
I doubt when they put it onto the dev only test server like that, they expected players to see it in a live stream.
Interesting side note. I did grind for a skelly, and got one with stats of 10. One of my other toons could use a striker, so I ground away for another, and now the stats for the skelly are 8. Did they get nerfed in the last 36 hours?
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I don't care about the livestream - what you show off there may be subject of change.
But one of yours WROTE "the new Skeleton companion" in PURPLE (main page, introduction of this event)
So, you are either LIARS (will be subject of punishment after death) and/or INCOMPETENT.
Either way : did you see how many Users were running around the Protectors Enclave when your event started -
and how few there are now?!
it's actually quite normal for the beginning of an event to be extremely busy only to dwindle down back to normal afterwards. it's pretty much been that way as long as i've been playing.
Interesting side note. I did grind for a skelly, and got one with stats of 10. One of my other toons could use a striker, so I ground away for another, and now the stats for the skelly are 8. Did they get nerfed in the last 36 hours?
:O You are right! I bought one earlier and the stats are 10, now in store it only has 8!
These inconsistencies are just terrible. Like the blue masks, before they are available, the tool tip states BOE, once they are available, the tool tip changes to BOP.
Looks like I won't be doing the event anymore...
Edit: I just bought another skelly, the stats stated on it is still 10. So it is an error on the store display tool tip, not the actual skelly. Phew..
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At this rate we'll have Module 2 by Friday and Module 3 on Monday!
Some very very minor forum+Twitch people (who as forum users are already very minor in the overall scheme of things) seem to be mad over all the wrong things: an Epic companion declaration from a pre-recorded gameplay video. Instead, the majority of the in-game complaints are actually of the really tedious and highly annoying event minigame compared to previous events, especially Midsummer.
If you are going to look at the rewards in isolation, it should be obvious the rewards themselves for such a lite event are actually quite good plus they are all guaranteed rewards.
That said, considering they did show an Epic companion and the type of event minigame this is (a non-casually farmable "grinding squared"), it would have made much more sense for the companion to have been at least Rare and not Uncommon, even if it meant slightly raising the 600 token requirement. Nerfing the drop rate instead would have affected purchasing all the other rewards and the limiting factor is not the drop rate anyway but the number of Illusionists, town lag and the resulting frustration.
But I guess what's done is done!
usefull? how do you want to upgrade skele to stone? 0_o
Calling people "very very minor" in a clumsy attempt to marginalize and handwave their observations is the shoddy work of a very, very minor intellect.
Neither the rewards, nor the reward schedule, are at issue; the issue is that last night during a livestream to promote the event, a purple companion was shown to be the big prize for participation; a few hours later it turns out to be green like all the others have been.
That has the outward appearance of misrepresentation.
"Forest for the trees," indeed.
Considering forum users make up a tiny fraction of the 200,000+ playerbase (being ultra conservative). Then on top of that how many of those do you think would have watched a livestream about a minor seasonal event, you do the math!
If you feel marginalized, that's your problem and guess what... you wouldn't be wrong.
Besides, the point has been addressed by the CM.
See, the percentage of the playerbase who use the forums or watch Twitch is irrelevant. Your comments are non sequitur.
It feels like the purse event was more "crazy" exciting than this one. But so much work and awesomeness went into the halloween decorations
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
55000 people watching a liveevent is a pretty substantial number in my opinion.
Anyways it still feels weird complaining about free stuff, and I guess im also more disappointed than mad. Did some farming today in protectors, and after getting 50 points I gave up. Not even the waukeen coinfarm was this tedious.
Dont get me wrong, I love the decorations and the crazy monsters walking around the place, but after running the circle for the 5th time it is no longer not even remotely fun.
Also, I don't know why everyone becomes so caught up in the "new companion" frenzy since even now Im pretty sure you can still find the Blue skeleton dog in AH. Which simply proves that the latest is not always the greatest. SO my advice is simple, only get it if you really want it, otherwise, grind what you can, get what you want, sell the rest.
it was good on sominator and the company to come out and remind us that things that we are privileged to see prior to official release may be changed.
Honestly, I am glad they changed it to green because I couldn't imagine turning in 1800 of those tokens. That would drive me insane. I'm not even going to farm for a skeleton because there is no way I want to turn in that many tokens. I think I will just get 1 fashion item per character and be done with it. It is a nice looking event but the turn in part is a real turn off.
BTW....Nice job on adding the Dye to the vendor. It gives us something cheap to buy with any excess currency we end up with. I haven't checked it out yet but I heard it looks pretty good.
I don't mind grinding for the 600 tokens for the skelie as I already have 400 tokens after 12 hrs of play. Going to save it for my ranger.
But you know what, if the cost to upgrade the companions was not so prohibited, then the issue would not be less impacting. But only the one percent can afford to upgrade these companions and be useful in the long run.
How does it feel to be taken in. When I arrived at the Enclave, and saw the amount of people piled up at the stage, the first thing I though was "Oh yeah they want that purple skely". This is two events in a row where players are not satisfied. Waukeen let out a whole bunch of skeletons out of the closet. Justify it all you want, and make up excuses for Cryptic all you want, but ht e fact is they dropped the ball and we are the ones left with disappointment.
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." -Napoleon Bonaparte
They didn't lie, they showed off in development content which always comes with the disclaimer "Subject to change".
This entire thread is pretty much the entire reason why they don't like showing off content when it's early in development.
This is very true, but... The whole thing would be a non-issue if the cost to upgrade companions wasn't so out of whack.
But one of yours WROTE "the new Skeleton companion" in PURPLE (main page, introduction of this event)
So, you are either LIARS (will be subject of punishment after death) and/or INCOMPETENT.
Either way : did you see how many Users were running around the Protectors Enclave when your event started -
and how few there are now?!
I think that the point of contention is that, as of yet, as practice there has never been a purple companion given away as a reward without having to spend zen. It's just part of the business model. As such, there was absolutely zero reason to even display a purple item as a carrot before the cart, because based on everything thus far, it was never intended to be offered. Early development excuses are really just a load of bull. Their business model does not support even the possibility.
In fact. I'd challenge anybody to provide one iota of relevance to the impact in game-play that a purple companion reward would have over the abundance of other purple striker companions already in game. The only reason it was changed, was because there was no monetization in it.
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it's actually quite normal for the beginning of an event to be extremely busy only to dwindle down back to normal afterwards. it's pretty much been that way as long as i've been playing.
:O You are right! I bought one earlier and the stats are 10, now in store it only has 8!
These inconsistencies are just terrible. Like the blue masks, before they are available, the tool tip states BOE, once they are available, the tool tip changes to BOP.
Looks like I won't be doing the event anymore...
Edit: I just bought another skelly, the stats stated on it is still 10. So it is an error on the store display tool tip, not the actual skelly. Phew..