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New module clearly shows wrong conception of GWF and GF.
seraphid
Member Posts: 158 Bounty Hunter
There should be one weapon fighter class.
This class has choice of 2 paragon paths.
1st-swordmaster allow it to wield greatsword.
2nd-iron vanguard allow it to use shield + 1h sword.
GF paragon paths skills suck balls and are totally useless compared to GWFs,while GF will get WMS,crescendo,blitz and other core skills of GWF.
That <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> cryptic want to do with gf/gwf paragon paths is a joke.
If u wanted to merge somehow this classes you had time in alpha/beta, now its too late.
Give gf and gwf normal paragon paths.
What do u think who will play gwf and gf after relase of new module?especially with added ranger.
If cryptic dont plan to completly change skills for paragon paths, that deal in new module sux.
This class has choice of 2 paragon paths.
1st-swordmaster allow it to wield greatsword.
2nd-iron vanguard allow it to use shield + 1h sword.
GF paragon paths skills suck balls and are totally useless compared to GWFs,while GF will get WMS,crescendo,blitz and other core skills of GWF.
That <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> cryptic want to do with gf/gwf paragon paths is a joke.
If u wanted to merge somehow this classes you had time in alpha/beta, now its too late.
Give gf and gwf normal paragon paths.
What do u think who will play gwf and gf after relase of new module?especially with added ranger.
If cryptic dont plan to completly change skills for paragon paths, that deal in new module sux.
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Surprised here and eager to test it, because I'd say Cleave is superior to WMS all around. Only thing I could imagine is debuffing with WMS and then Cleave everything down. But for my Conq GF I can't see why changing the paragon would make sense. I'll lose two premier powers in Frontline Surge and Trample of the Fallen and get little back in terms of DPS and AoE. Theoretically Crescendo is superior to Indomitable Strength for single targets, but why would you use it over Villain's Menace? Ferocious Reaction and Steel Defense are probably on par.
Talking strictly PVE.
Now all GWfs and GFs are bummed because they release of new content will bypass them completely.. And these are the most trodden on classes already and the devs continue to just make it worse...
I'm actually shocked at how incompetent this dev team can be
Cause the idea seems kinda okay on its own, but its not really bringing anything new to the table to either the GF or GWF. and they are getting the least amount of attention out of all of the classes as it is, especially GWF.
If anything this paragon switch helps GF alot more than GWF.
A few of you keep saying that, but I'm pretty certain 99% of GF's would rather have their own Paragons than go anywhere near the mess that is GWF.
Because the main risk is that, even if they manage to make a one-off "sync" work (which cannot be easy at all given such different class mechanics), all further balancing would be on essentially the same class. And we all know just how badly balancing the GWF has gone...
I like my GF as it has finally become (though its design does not quite match much of the existing content) and I would rather see it improved on its on synergies and merits than inherit something much less refined and with less clear intent for now and all future.
I suppose the deed is done by now, though. So, we'll just have to wait and test.
How?
Comparing my GF and my GWF, I don't see how this could possibly benefit my GF.
So both classes would have to have access to eachothers skills... That would be a huge amount of skills..
I think alot would need to be reworked though
It all sounds confusing... I was hoping this module would address alot of the fighter issues
But it feels like they will just be adding more
Each Paragon Path consists of only 3 class features, one At-Will, one Encounter, and one Daily. So, it's not really a lot.
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Iron Vanguard (currently only for GF) includes:
At Will: Threatening Rush
Encounter: Frontline Surge
Daily: Indomitable Strength
Class Features: Ferocious Reaction, Trample the Fallen, Enduring Warrior
Swordmaster (currently only for GWF) includes:
At Will: Weapon Master's Strike
Encounter: Flourish
Daily: Crescendo
Class Features: Steel Blitz, Steel Defense, Steel Grace
Soon, both the GF and GWF can pick whichever package they want, Iron Vanguard or Swordmaster.
Paragon Feats available to both the GF and GWF that reference any of these abilities will also have to be adjusted to accommodate the fact that either class can have either set of abilities (ex. Battle Trample in Tactician Feats will have to have some way to accommodate that a GF may not have access to Trample the Fallen, due to choosing Swordmaster.)
dps gf migh get a lot from it wms and steel blitz, flourish isnt bad too
gwf get nothing. threatening would be good for marking but wms is much better, since sure strike is single target, maybe wicked + powerful challenge
as for feats, they will probably go fail as usual and dont change anything, unless its some weird star alignment that happens every 1000 years and they actually change feats, it could be that same feats will have dual nature depending on paragon.
ive never been as pissed about an expansion in any game as i am about this one, but thats more about tr 2.0 instead of a new class
Instead of being disappointed you may be better off exploring the new options open to you. Familiar abilities in new surroundings can result in a different whole worth pursuing.
1 - what is the ratio of damage between the two classes using the same power?
2 - how to work with this new Atwill using unstoppable / sprint?
3 - Being the new gwf disproportionately better, the old way will be improved too? And if they already they are already balanced?
4 - there is an improvement, jointly or severally, in what proportion will be compared to other classes?
In any case, no point in dreaming too much. If we become weak, things will continue as they are, the class only works on the basis of dedication / "love." If we stay strong, suffer nerf ... together.
Yes.
Flourish and Steel Defense sounds nice on a GF. Still have the feeling that we got the short end of the stick... again...
I would trade Indomitable Strength with Crescendo, especially in tactician PvP (daily per 20sec), but I guess Indomitable Battle Strike, can't compete with Bull Charge. Anyway, let's wait and see
Our damage output - or mine - has 4 problems .
1 - it is "heavy" , but limited to 5 opponents .
2 - we are at the mercy of the goodwill of the group not to scatter the enemy .
3 - I do not have a "first round " because the cw clean almost everything before.The which basically leaves us to split damage with gf / rogue / + cw against tougher enemies .
now regained our initiative besides having a displacement VERY high, and work very well with rangers atacks ... but everything has a price ...
I guess that the choice between Iron Vanquard or Swordmaster will take place when you are able to spend the 30th heroic point. So, the changes refer to the lower half of the power tree. No idea about the shaping up of the Paragon Trees, but as far as I understand, if you choose (for instance) Iron Vanguard, the choice would still be Conqueror/Tactician and Protector.
GWF can use these to give us more diversity, for sure. And GF can use the GWF Swordmaster, as well. The swap is clean.
And it makes sense. We're both fighters. Meh.
My opposition? We get no new content. At all. That could've helped alot in our communities, but instead, we're left hanging.
This is all on a big IF, that if being if they do a swap. They may just give GF swordsman, and give GWF something new. But I doubt that.
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
Nope, you have it backwards. The Paragon Paths add an at will, three encounters, and a daily power. Not the same thing as the trees.