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Edit: For clarification it's now BtC (Bind-to-character) and BtA (Bind-to-account), sadly can not edit title.
BoP = BtC
BoA = BtA
It's been said and argued countless times, I'm just rinsing and repeating because I personally find BtC annoying and wasteful. It doesn't benefit players and it doesn't benefit anyone else when taking everything else into account. It's just flat out ridiculous.
The only things which are BtA (Bound to account) versus BtC (Bound to a single character), are items purchased through Zen store. Thing here is, nothing in the Zen store is an ingame drop that is BtC and visa versa. So unless you're planning on Zen'ing out ingame drops that are currently BtC, this is not benefiting you or us and if you do, do this, you know **** well everyone would kick off as it's the most blatant of money grabs.
I'm not arguing to remove BtC, or reverse the change you made when making many more items BtC, I'm asking you to take a look at the middle man, BtA. For players, we're generally swapping out items every 10 levels, this literally means
that every 10 levels you have to dump or sell for a pittance (silver) your complete gear setup. This may have been feasible at some point but really it's not, for me it never was.
Do you know how infuriating it is having to dump gear every 10 levels? Words escape me. Make it BtA, so when a player is ready to change gear they don't have to feel like it's being trashed and can potentially re-use it, but ONLY, on another character on that account. One thing this will do is encourage people to make more characters, which possibly means, purchasing more character slots, hell, I know I would.
I can see various reasons you wouldn't want to, which generally fall into the financial side of things but in the long run I genuinely believe this would be better, financially for you and us the player base. If nothing else it would be a very well respected move towards the player base and quite frankly, you don't need to look far to see it's time for it.
I'm not trying to slate the company or anything, don't get me wrong, there have been many positive moves within the game that people have approved the problem is, is that within every positive move, tackling bugs, bots, exploits, proposed new content, etc.. there are "more" additional changes that unwarranted or unnecessary.
I'm skimming with BtC to BtA, it's merely a suggestion that should perhaps be revisited, revised. Doesn't need to be everything thats BtC or all aspects of the current BtC system. For example, I actually think the introduction of DD chests being BtC with a selection was a decent move, this somewhat balanced end-game item distribution, some may say it was too late but the point is, it needn't be a complete over haul. It could be that level items from 1-50 are BtA which gives not only current player base but new users more options and ultimately keeps them in the game longer with the ability to try out various builds and classes without feeling they have to re-gear from scratch every 10 levels and again with every new character or class.
Failing all this, another option would be, and I say this with some possible regret because of the way other AD related services tend to go/work, would be to introduce an unbind system, again, doesn't need to be complete, merely to BtC to BtA for an AD cost. To reiterate the former point of regret, my only worry with this is, is that you'd introduce it with a ridiculous cost, you know like, Companion upgrades, mount upgrades, NPC item costs that are sold in AD being completely out of proportion compared to the current market (AH) value of those items etc..
Anyway, I stuck a poll in here, just out of interest, you're basically voting yes or no on BtC to BtA. I haven't stuck an alternative option because I'm just focusing on this, but feel free to suggest alternatives.
BoP = BtC
BoA = BtA
It's been said and argued countless times, I'm just rinsing and repeating because I personally find BtC annoying and wasteful. It doesn't benefit players and it doesn't benefit anyone else when taking everything else into account. It's just flat out ridiculous.
The only things which are BtA (Bound to account) versus BtC (Bound to a single character), are items purchased through Zen store. Thing here is, nothing in the Zen store is an ingame drop that is BtC and visa versa. So unless you're planning on Zen'ing out ingame drops that are currently BtC, this is not benefiting you or us and if you do, do this, you know **** well everyone would kick off as it's the most blatant of money grabs.
I'm not arguing to remove BtC, or reverse the change you made when making many more items BtC, I'm asking you to take a look at the middle man, BtA. For players, we're generally swapping out items every 10 levels, this literally means
that every 10 levels you have to dump or sell for a pittance (silver) your complete gear setup. This may have been feasible at some point but really it's not, for me it never was.
Do you know how infuriating it is having to dump gear every 10 levels? Words escape me. Make it BtA, so when a player is ready to change gear they don't have to feel like it's being trashed and can potentially re-use it, but ONLY, on another character on that account. One thing this will do is encourage people to make more characters, which possibly means, purchasing more character slots, hell, I know I would.
I can see various reasons you wouldn't want to, which generally fall into the financial side of things but in the long run I genuinely believe this would be better, financially for you and us the player base. If nothing else it would be a very well respected move towards the player base and quite frankly, you don't need to look far to see it's time for it.
I'm not trying to slate the company or anything, don't get me wrong, there have been many positive moves within the game that people have approved the problem is, is that within every positive move, tackling bugs, bots, exploits, proposed new content, etc.. there are "more" additional changes that unwarranted or unnecessary.
I'm skimming with BtC to BtA, it's merely a suggestion that should perhaps be revisited, revised. Doesn't need to be everything thats BtC or all aspects of the current BtC system. For example, I actually think the introduction of DD chests being BtC with a selection was a decent move, this somewhat balanced end-game item distribution, some may say it was too late but the point is, it needn't be a complete over haul. It could be that level items from 1-50 are BtA which gives not only current player base but new users more options and ultimately keeps them in the game longer with the ability to try out various builds and classes without feeling they have to re-gear from scratch every 10 levels and again with every new character or class.
Failing all this, another option would be, and I say this with some possible regret because of the way other AD related services tend to go/work, would be to introduce an unbind system, again, doesn't need to be complete, merely to BtC to BtA for an AD cost. To reiterate the former point of regret, my only worry with this is, is that you'd introduce it with a ridiculous cost, you know like, Companion upgrades, mount upgrades, NPC item costs that are sold in AD being completely out of proportion compared to the current market (AH) value of those items etc..
Anyway, I stuck a poll in here, just out of interest, you're basically voting yes or no on BtC to BtA. I haven't stuck an alternative option because I'm just focusing on this, but feel free to suggest alternatives.
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boa = bind on acquire
So you're asking for the exact same thing.
I get you're actually asking for bta - binds to account (instead of btc)..
Course when you have both account and char options, you have to extend the acronym in some cases. (for things where its not clear if it would be on equip or on acquire) - so btcoa or btcoe.
But yea get the acronyms right or it's just mega confusing.
In dragons prophet they call it "pick up and bundle" - for btcoa - makes absolutely no sense. Engrish heh.
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Then there's Bind on Pickup, and Bind on Equip.
Oh, and if your selling gear on the AH under 60, you're really not even affecting the market. It's the t2 dungeon loot that makes Bind on Pickup so important.
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I feel the same way on BOP.
Things that are given at random shouldnt be BoP.
BOP was a poor solution to a problem that the GMs created themselves, and has done far more harm to the game than good. They could have used rewards that are now BOP as a HUGE AD sink. Prices in the hundreds of thousands for fashion and signature gear, up to several million for OP gear in the AD store would help to cure the inevitable inflation that's coming. Instead they will probably start nerfing dailies and leadership income, once again punishing players for THEIR mistakes. I'm sure there will still be some people who are perfectly happy with this. The simple truth is there is no problem in this game that you can't solve simply by buying zen.
Needs changing ASAP as it killed the game and my 6 Cloaks all bound to me are a bit pathetic along with being a CW and having TR gear bound to me... nice!
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You're right, I could have been clearer, in the title atleast, I did clarify within the post however, I won't go into the depths of acronyms because quite frankly it irritates the hell out of me, perhaps being of a somewhat older generation, although below the supposed gaming average. But yes, Bind to account is the proposal. If I can i'll edit as proposed.
You're right and wrong. As I stated in initial post, I think, it's going to vary alot when it comes down to a personal basis. I could very easily say the same as you, contrary to my argument. It can be easy, but this depends on exactly what you're doing, intend to do when it comes to your play style. On a larger scale, it depends on a hell of alot more, it basically swings both ways for both old and new players. The bottom line is is that, it would still be better on the whole if it was Bind to account versus btc.
Yup, there were many hidden changes, even the ones that were stated were done so in a manner which quite frankly wasn't fair or obvious (e.g. within preview server patch notes). Various items that were once stored or held suddenly became BtC.
As for selling gear under level 60, I think you're severely wrong here, there is alot of money in low level items, especially within the pvp scene. There are many under level 60 items that are far more valuable than some of the T2 epics. Especially with the recent changes.
Another good example of a part of the BoP that's frustrating. Especially with specific event items, it was the same for the purple crowns from a previous account, that's a perfect example of an item that should have been BtA NOT BtC. On a side note, for items like that where they're not BtA they could atleast have made them salvagable.
You're right, again, sadly it could easily be perceived of a case of "it's too late". The issues preceding this or those that ultimately lead to it are something that's too late to do much about, other than buy Zen, as you stated but no one wants to play a pay to win game in the end. You got many valid points and I can appreciate them but I won't go into depths with some of them, even those that are related, it's too easy to go off topic here as relevant as it may be. Bottom line, I still believe a change from BtC to BtA would make a difference.
Thanks for replying peeps, going to see if I can change some of the acronyms.
I mean seriously, what is the point of making anything below epic BoP? Great, now I have a bunch of rare item and can nothing with them except sell them to NPCs for coins, whole lot of good that does me since there's oh so many wonderful things I can spend my coins on....oh wait, no, there isn't.
While BoA would at least give you a better option for many of the items you get, it's still not as good as the ol BoE that worked so well. But if Im forced to choose between the two, I'd choose BoA.
Agreed. I can appreciate also that it will benefit a niche of peeps. Those that have (smartly) horded items which are now BtC will be quite frankly, milking it. I have that fortune to some degree but I'd still prefer it to be BtC versus BtA. All it's doing is making the rich rich and the poor.. exploit comes to mind.
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One is, it had been requested to try bop on all drops to reduce the amount of ninjas - add bop, make it so we have a need button for the gearing content, all loot that dropped from bosses would be bop to allow new players to gear if they wanted to grind for gear rather than bang their face against AH. This had been suggested for all boss drops in all DD at all levels. For the items the party was competing on. Instead they decided to bop your seal/new content drops and the DD chests. I don't know why this happened, it wasn't what was actually requested it's also worth noting that this was requested way back before we got the need button. Loot rolls use to be Greed or Pass.
That wasn't what we were asking for when we pushed for it. I was 100% all for keeping DD chests, and seal vendor loot BoE.
Second, epic drops off of bosses being BoE is very, very common in most games. It never 'killed' a game's economy, it gated who could get into end game content and actually made you run that end game content for your gear. That said, most games also seemed to have worthwhile random drop BoE epics added somewhere into their end game. I'm ok with BoP for gear you have to compete for, but, this brings us to point three.
When we asked for BoP, we recognized that BoP had not been in game before, and asked for a few things with BoP that seemed to make sense at the time if they were willing to put in the time for the coding: Any item that is needed essentially does a check of if need=true, Bind on pick up, no sell, no trade, no auction house. Add in an option so the item can be traded for 30min after the roll with anyone in that current DD. That would mean, everything could stay 100% boe, however, the screams of 'wtf ninja' might stop a bit, and ninjaing would be discouraged as there would be no reason to need other than for upgrades.
As to BTC: BoE has always been a way of 'saving' a game's economy by forcing the value of items to be higher. Bind to Account would make sense, and would be nice if they added it in for the BoE items (along with an account bank) given that STO already has both the BTA items, and bank; there are still BtC items in STO however.
Event items not being BTA/Account unlocked for events is annoying, I agree that they should be an account unlock once you've gotten the item. If you're going to give us RNG drops like the pantaloons please make them BoE so the people that hate it and want to throw them at someone can at least give them to someone that wanted those items from the events.
BoP for boss drops and DD chests, is not a bad thing and people need to get over because its not changing. Most people here QQ about it because they had 3 months of whatever goes and then daddy Cryptic changed all that on them. This is Cryptics fault for not have the foresight to start with BoP.
That being said, Cryptic is now however going overboard and stupid with their BoP policy.
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The thing is, most boss drops are not bop. Old loot was not changed with feyweild, they just added one new instance with bop. All of the rewards you are guarenteed are bop, the rewards you compete for are not. Makes no sense when trying to discourage ninjas etc.
Thats true which makes the whining even more pathetic.
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You want everything to be able to be passed to your alts? Thats imo just greedy and another reason the needers would need items to pass to alts.
NT though.
If you want this feature so bad, the only thing I could suggest is adding a "Scroll of unboppness" that turns your item into a BOA item, I'd say it should be worth about 1000 zen...no less.
Fixed.
take a look at the recent waukeen coin event. it's not like the purses/boxes/chests were BoP... look at the auction house. i think i saw 500 up there for 800k AD. the fashion items inside, the coins and the transmutes are all BoP because the event is designed for you to participate and be rewarded for it. these are free items. could these items be BoE or at least bound to account? of course they could. and i think it's possible that we could see that change. but if we don't... these are free items... does it suck getting ten cloaks in a row? sure it does. but i don't think this warrants that they change BoP entirely.
you can transfer AD between characters using the astral diamond exchange.
this game was obviously made to try to make money via rerolls. a new class/race comes out you have to rebuy all your stuff the problem comes down to as people said t2gear they cant use and holiday stuff your never going to buy because no one can sell it. so people will avoid making new characters. because they don't want to do it all again and they cant get what they want anyhow,
or they will just make multiple accounts to use as bank alts because the game doesn't give tabs for mounts/fashion items and having a lot of alts is cheaper than buying bank slots. bind on account encourages same account alts, account alts will encourage more zen purchase for things like dyes and profession packs.
if they are concerned with losing the $ from people buying a badger on every character. have a single char option(boe) and an account option for 2-3 times the zen. or have boa thing turn into bound when actually equipped.
IMHO all chance items should be BOE or BOA as well as all currencys being BOA so people can pass stuff down to alts thus encouraging making alts. tho ONLY things that should be BOP are very specific purchased items. or things meant to be exceedingly rare.
the waukeen event was very badly handled events should not rely so much on chance especially since the random number generator seems kind of zonked. You couldn't actually team so it discouraged playing with friends and the merchant was in the free form rp location so now no one can actually rp there till the merchant is gone. Most my friends went to CO to rp.
What I would have doe to make it better is at least make the pants BOA or BOE, and have them on sale for like 100 coins for people with odd luck. also have coins, drop with every chance try purse 1-10, box 5-20, chest 10-40, and have teleports/dyes on sale for 1 coin each. thus reducing waste.
Keep in mind some people have very bad luck so having a non luck version of every luck item (that is unique to the event) is good or making it BOA at least means we can pass the duplicated to alts.
I really love this concept that was posted in another thread... This would go a long way in solving issues faced due to limited time event items being BoP and minimize wastage of event currency. Would like to have a chance to purchase missed event items for new alts as well!!
Hope the Dev's take notice of this suggestion!!
At the moment I'm unaware of a means in this game to do so.
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or take the chest items. if i get a necklace that salvages for 3k ad, i rather might pass it over to an alt and he can put it on one of his companions. with that option the whole economy would be untouched.
In that case, presumably one of the reasons we haven't had BtA items is because we don't have account based storage.
Basically this.
Some time ago I attempted to mail an account-bound item to another of my toons. The mail system would not allow it.
There is no point to account-bound items if you cannot then get said item to another of you characters.
So to change the system to account-bound items, the devs would also have to code a means of transfer, either via ingame mail, or by adding the often requested account-based storage.
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