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Respecing

throughwallthroughwall Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 34
edited October 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
What's point of making respec so expensive?

edit: the respecs are account-wide so free respec was just 1x per account.
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  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    throughwall wrote: »
    What's point of making respec so expensive?

    Supply and demand. But i agree, the cost is a bit too high.

  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    For feats or a general respec? 300 ZEN for a full respec is actually quite reasonable, considering some other PWE games charge 1500 for the same function.

    In all honesty, it costs less to save up the AD to buy a full respec token than to respec your feats alone.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Free respecs from balance changes are one per character that existed at the time. But you can't bank them, so they need to be used before the next time they are handed out, or go to waste.

    Respec included with a pack is one per account.

    I never bought one, but I believe the original price of a respec here was twice what it it.
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  • throughwallthroughwall Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 34
    edited October 2013
    But it's still so much, paying for respec lol, and the free respec I've got was one per account.. used it on my CW and was not able to use it on my TR so?
    Sunshine - Trickster Rogue
    Gladiator - Control Wizard
    Death - Great Weapon Fighter
    High Priestess - Devoted Cleric
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Is your free respec one from buying a pack? Because, yes, that is one per account.

    If it was a free respec from the last big balance patch, I have that for every character that existed at the time. Ones I made later do not have it, because they weren't around to be affected.
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  • throughwallthroughwall Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 34
    edited October 2013
    I've got no free respec on my Cw, it was long time on low lvl just few days ago started to lvling it again
    Sunshine - Trickster Rogue
    Gladiator - Control Wizard
    Death - Great Weapon Fighter
    High Priestess - Devoted Cleric
  • wondraswondras Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The cost is OK, but more interesting question:

    Why there are no dual-specs?

    There are classes what needs it like a hell, for example CW - you need maximal AoE damage and CC for clearing trash, but for bosses you often need single-target setup and most feats force you to choose AoE OR single target.
    Another example GWF, they need to be extremly tanky for PvP while in PvE they are asked to do damage....
  • misssmooziemisssmoozie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 204 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    wondras wrote: »
    The cost is OK, but more interesting question:

    Why there are no dual-specs?

    There are classes what needs it like a hell, for example CW - you need maximal AoE damage and CC for clearing trash, but for bosses you often need single-target setup and most feats force you to choose AoE OR single target.
    Another example GWF, they need to be extremly tanky for PvP while in PvE they are asked to do damage....
    Don't forget the cleric in PvP, the DC is probably the class that needs a dualspec the most, for PvE/PvP variations.
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  • sapientcrowsapientcrow Member Posts: 57
    edited October 2013
    The respec in this game is horrendous. It actually limits the diversity and creates a more static and over time stagnant game feel. This game needs roles similar to what Rift has so we can swap to them and be more effective in any situation.
    As a cleric main I can say that if we spec for Dungeons and grouping we suffer if we want to solo and do some good dps.

    The fact that it takes an obscene amount of AD or $3 every time you want to test out how a feat setup feels is just bad design.
    We are already limited to a handful of classes and then we get double limited by the inability to have any experimentation room to see how certain powers feel.

    Really the only thing going for this game is their amazing active combat system. Everything else is like a strangle hold and totally linear. It is very confusing because they have a ton of available market research that shows what does in fact work in modern MMOs and in F2P ones. Single tracking class design does not or making it an arduous process to experiment.

    And as far as it being reasonable blah blah blah... 330000AD to get a respec token and approx 130000 AD for a single feat respec.
    With only 2 methods to gain AD (dailys @ daily cap of 24k and running DD @ 3 times daily) this is a large amount of time for a single respec and if it doesn't work out you have to do it again and again and again... Most dungeon runs yield during DD time an item which is if lucky worth a good amount but usually between 3-8k AD.

    Their economic methodology is blaringly extreme and really lacks diversity or much movement in and out of the system. It relies heavily on a few big spending addicts instead of a steady stream from the majority into and out of the system. The respec problem is just one example of this.
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    sapientcrow wrote: »
    And as far as it being reasonable blah blah blah... 330000AD to get a respec token and approx 130000 AD for a single feat respec. <snip.

    354 AD per ZEN at current exchange rate....so, 300 * 354= 106200AD. Feat respec @ 60 is 128442 AD (feat respec cost scales with level). So a token works out cheaper and resets your feats, powers, bonus character distribution points, AND boons.

    Even with your two base slots, assuming both are at 60, that's 48k at cap per day. Even with one, it's less than 5 days work. Not really sure how that's a back-breaking amount of work to accomplish for a respec token or that you have to have one right away and right now.

    And, as stated above, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than the 1500 ZEN some PWE games charge for a respec item.
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  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It is also worth noting that anyone can get free respecs and do their own basic testing on the Preview Shard before committing to it on live.
  • abell39abell39 Member Posts: 1,175 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    If respecs were cheap, everyone would be respeccing every other day. A respec should be used as a way to fix stuff you regret doing with your build or to go a different route if you change your mind on how you want to play. If you effectively have access to every build at will because of a cheap respec cost, the entire idea of building your character to your personal playstyle based on the choices you can make becomes meaningless since it can all be undone on a whim.
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  • shadows1313shadows1313 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Respecs are affordable as they are now but ppl feel the need to complain about pretty much anything that isnt handed on a silver plate to them without them lifting a finger to earn it. Quit moaning about every lil thing and actually play the game, have some fun!
  • kissmekwikkissmekwik Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    It is also worth noting that anyone can get free respecs and do their own basic testing on the Preview Shard before committing to it on live.

    How does one go about that? I had no idea there's a Preview Shard. Thanks in advance for any help with this.
  • mikabella2mikabella2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    kissmekwik wrote: »

    How does one go about that? I had no idea there's a Preview Shard. Thanks in advance for any help with this.
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  • syka08syka08 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Yup, was thinking preview shard when I first read the topic.

    Be aware, though, that you'll have to patch the preview shard in order to use it. It gets regular thursday updates just like the live shard. While there you can play around with as many respecs as you like, but you'll still have to pay the Zen to respec on live.

    But, at least this way, you're able to find something you like BEFORE you buy.
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  • jarlsburgjarlsburg Member Posts: 222 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    I'm confused. Some people seem like they are saying the respec you purchase from the Zen store is account wide. Does that mean every character on my account gets a respec just by purchasing one from the Zen store or is it only usable on one character?
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    jarlsburg wrote: »
    I'm confused. Some people seem like they are saying the respec you purchase from the Zen store is account wide. Does that mean every character on my account gets a respec just by purchasing one from the Zen store or is it only usable on one character?

    You are misreading. They are talking about purchased Packs, not general Zen store items.

    All non-Pack respecs are character specific. There have also been free respecs given for multiple characters existing at the time twice in the past.
  • jarlsburgjarlsburg Member Posts: 222 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    You are misreading. They are talking about purchased Packs, not general Zen store items.

    All non-Pack respecs are character specific. There have also been free respecs given for multiple characters existing at the time twice in the past.

    Thank you. I thought I had to be misreading it because the description in the Zen store definitely seems like it is a one shot deal. I never bought one before but if they gave you a respec for each of your toons I was going to grab one for the heck of it.
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